jlf1961
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Joined: 6/10/2008 From: Somewhere Texas Status: offline
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Funny thing about 'saving people' is that 90% of the time, historically speaking, the people 'saved' get fucked over worse than they were to begin with. First it was the Spanish colonial expansion and the argument that they (the English) had to save the natives from the natives. Then every other European country got in on the act. So, the natives of whatever country that were saved ended up as slaves, second class citizens or just exterminated. The US fought, either overtly or covertly, enough bush wars during the cold war using the "saving the world from communism" and we see how that turned out. The same can be said for the Soviets. Oh, I agree that the women in many Islamic countries are treated unfairly. But, by what right, do any of the countries or peoples of the rest of the world has to justify forcing change on anybody? Hell I got neighbors that wont let their kids dance or listen to rock music for religious reasons, so I have the right, since I think that is fucked up, to go over and beat the parents into changing their opinion? What about the christian denominations that refuse to use modern medicine? Woman goes into labor, dies in child birth because she lost too much blood and the religion states they cannot receive blood transfusions or blood products that could have saved her life? Sorry folks, but, regardless of right or wrong, no one is justified in forcing their beliefs on to someone else. In some of these countries, women are standing up. Hell, women didnt get the legal right to vote in many western countries until the 20th century, and for the longest time, women, even in our progressive societies, were little more than property, and all of that was based on Christians interpreting the bible. Now in direct response to the person who started this thread, I give you World Report 2015: Singapore a nice list of human rights violations for Singapore. FYI, the US, and half the 'progressive' western nations have nice little tidbits on that website. So, people in glass houses, pot/kettle etc. Bottom line, clean up your own yard first. And considering some of the crap spewed by the op, put your computer, smart phone and any other internet capable device back in the boxes they came in, and then go piss up a rope.
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Boy, it sure would be nice if we had some grenades, don't you think? You cannot control who comes into your life, but you can control which airlock you throw them out of. Paranoid Paramilitary Gun Loving Conspiracy Theorist AND EQUAL OPPORTUNI
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