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mnottertail -> RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban (2/2/2017 4:27:17 AM)

why do you agree better screening procedures are needed, what are the faults with the ones now? do you know the screening procedures?




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban (2/2/2017 5:43:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Number of attacks from those 7 countries? 0.

Gonna be hard to improve on that with a Muslim ban.

And hard to pretend it's not religious persecution -- including our Iraqi allies.


You are making total idiots of yourselves, pretending that no one from hotbeds of groups such as ISIS pose no threat to the US. That Iran, means no harm to the US.

But what else is new

Yesterday, two days ago, some Saudi sailors were murdered by Iranian-backed suicide bombers seeking to collect their virgin sex slaves

According to reports they must have thought that it was an American war ship





I don't know who is pretending that no one from hotbeds of groups such as ISIS, pose no threat to the US. OR that Iran, means no harm to the US.

Both of those assumptions of "no threat" are clearly ridiculous.

The way to deal with that threat is the way the Obama Administration was dealing with it, which is to thoroughly vet individuals from the countries that Obama labelled as "Countries of Concern." People from those countries have been subject to extra screening for years. Obama was smart enough to not publicly announce it.

Our current President is aiding ISIS recruitment, weakening our alliances around the world, and encouraging MORE terrorists to enter the country by obtaining passports from countries not on the list.




tamaka -> RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban (2/2/2017 5:49:08 PM)

I can think of other ways.




BoscoX -> RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban (2/2/2017 6:01:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

I don't know who is pretending that no one from hotbeds of groups such as ISIS, pose no threat to the US. OR that Iran, means no harm to the US.

Both of those assumptions of "no threat" are clearly ridiculous.


I am referring to those who repeat the false narrative that no terrorists have ever come from those countries (Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, and Sudan). It's the most ridiculous talking point imaginable

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The way to deal with that threat is the way the Obama Administration was dealing with it, which is to thoroughly vet individuals from the countries that Obama labelled as "Countries of Concern." People from those countries have been subject to extra screening for years. Obama was smart enough to not publicly announce it.


The current president disagrees, to put it mildly. Many see Obama as an idiot when it comes to Islamic terror for good reason, and the current president ran on promises to do exactly what he is doing, tighten security

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Our current President is aiding ISIS recruitment, weakening our alliances around the world, and encouraging MORE terrorists to enter the country by obtaining passports from countries not on the list.


You just made Trumps case for him. The first slight bump in the road and Muslims go all "Allahu Akbar" terrorist on you

Target civilians inside of the USA








BoscoX -> RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban (2/2/2017 6:04:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I can think of other ways.


Quit bringing them in here

Work to help make conditions in their own homelands safer for them by killing the worst ones among them and educating them about their death cult, try and bring them into the current century




AtUrCervix -> RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban (2/2/2017 7:51:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

why do you agree better screening procedures are needed, what are the faults with the ones now? do you know the screening procedures?


(Thankfully....I know everything).




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban (2/2/2017 7:55:04 PM)


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The way to deal with that threat is the way the Obama Administration was dealing with it, which is to thoroughly vet individuals from the countries that Obama labelled as "Countries of Concern." People from those countries have been subject to extra screening for years. Obama was smart enough to not publicly announce it.


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The current president disagrees, to put it mildly. Many see Obama as an idiot when it comes to Islamic terror for good reason, and the current president ran on promises to do exactly what he is doing, tighten security


Sure, many, whose understanding of foreign policy comes from watching Fox News, see Obama as an idiot when it comes to Islamic terror. His piece-by-piece destruction of ISIS and recapture of taken lands in Iraq with almost zero U.S. casualties, WHILE preserving our alliances in the Middle East AND keeping radical Islamic terrorist from entering our country (with the exception of one crazy Iraqi) is brilliant.

Further, the President's ban is NOT having the effect of tightening security. It is emboldening terrorists to obtain passports from countries not on the list and come into this U.S.

I understand his promise, and what he is TRYING to do. The problem is.... He has no clue what he is doing, and he is accomplishing the exact opposite of what he intended.

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Our current President is aiding ISIS recruitment, weakening our alliances around the world, and encouraging MORE terrorists to enter the country by obtaining passports from countries not on the list.


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You just made Trumps case for him. The first slight bump in the road and Muslims go all "Allahu Akbar" terrorist on you

Target civilians inside of the USA



Yes, radical Islamists do exactly that. Which is one of the reasons that our President's ban emboldens ISIS and increases their recruiting and weakens our alliances in the Middle East, and most importantly, endangers us at home and abroad.


I have made his case for identifying the problem. That is correct. His attempt to solve it is creating the exact opposite of what he thinks it will do.









WickedsDesire -> RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban (2/2/2017 8:11:42 PM)

I dealt with this one elsewhere...

Now, someone explain to I what the republican pussies said with Obamas choice 10 months to go

And what they did with trumps choice immediately




BoscoX -> RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban (2/2/2017 8:40:01 PM)

Obama ignored those who warned that if he abandoned Iraq the vacuum would fill with "extremists" who are truthfully just very religious Muslims

Obama then called ISIS "JV" in its infancy despite all of the warnings then went golfing

He and Hillary worked to topple other ME powers with no plans to fill the vacuums they created, left that to ISIS too

Some hero

Now his useful idiots blame Donald Trump for the problems he created. Claims we need to bring the problem that is at the root of every problem in the ME here

Muslims, and their blood-soaked book




jlf1961 -> RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban (2/2/2017 8:53:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Obama ignored those who warned that if he abandoned Iraq the vacuum would fill with "extremists" who are truthfully just very religious Muslims

Obama then called ISIS "JV" in its infancy despite all of the warnings then went golfing

He and Hillary worked to topple other ME powers with no plans to fill the vacuums they created, left that to ISIS too

Some hero

Now his useful idiots blame Donald Trump for the problems he created. Claims we need to bring the problem that is at the root of every problem in the ME here

Muslims, and their blood-soaked book




Excuse me?

Who the fuck decided to invade Iraq in the first fucking place?

Oh yeah, that Bush guy.

And neither him or any other coalition country leader had ANY fucking coherent plan to stabilize the region after the war.

In point of fact, taking out Saddam only made the situation worse.

Yes he was a dictator, yes he was killing his own people that disagreed with him, but in the process he was executing Al Qaeda members every time he caught them.

And after the first gulf war, he really was no threat to anyone but his own people, which, with the exception of the Kurds, where the various groups that joined ISIS as soon as he was out of the picture.

Then Obama comes in and adds to the mess by basically doing the "let them fix it themselves" dance.

Then only thing that allowed Europe and Japan to rebuild after the war was the Marshal plan.

And now, as much as it pains me to say it, we should go to the Curtis LeMay philosophy.

Bomb the bastards back to the stone age.

Look the present game plan to fight terrorism aint working, and the Geneva convention prevents us from using the same tactics as terrorists, so we go with the semi sorta nuclear option, which is bomb the fuck out of them and use everything but the nukes.

I mean ISIS has pretty much executed everyone that didnt support them in the territories they control, so why the fuck not?




mnottertail -> RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban (2/2/2017 11:40:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I can think of other ways.


Quit bringing them in here

Work to help make conditions in their own homelands safer for them by killing the worst ones among them and educating them about their death cult, try and bring them into the current century

Nutsuckers did that already and thats why its failing there. Nutsuckers are inept and destroying the country and other countries along with us.




BoscoX -> RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban (2/3/2017 5:20:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Excuse me?

Who the fuck decided to invade Iraq in the first fucking place?

Oh yeah, that Bush guy.

And neither him or any other coalition country leader had ANY fucking coherent plan to stabilize the region after the war.

In point of fact, taking out Saddam only made the situation worse.

Yes he was a dictator, yes he was killing his own people that disagreed with him, but in the process he was executing Al Qaeda members every time he caught them.

And after the first gulf war, he really was no threat to anyone but his own people, which, with the exception of the Kurds, where the various groups that joined ISIS as soon as he was out of the picture.

Then Obama comes in and adds to the mess by basically doing the "let them fix it themselves" dance.

Then only thing that allowed Europe and Japan to rebuild after the war was the Marshal plan.

And now, as much as it pains me to say it, we should go to the Curtis LeMay philosophy.

Bomb the bastards back to the stone age.

Look the present game plan to fight terrorism aint working, and the Geneva convention prevents us from using the same tactics as terrorists, so we go with the semi sorta nuclear option, which is bomb the fuck out of them and use everything but the nukes.

I mean ISIS has pretty much executed everyone that didnt support them in the territories they control, so why the fuck not?


That's a spin on the leftist mantra at the time that preached how Muslims are savages who NEED iron-fisted dictators over them to keep them in check

The bloodier, the more sadistic, the better




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban (2/3/2017 6:00:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Obama ignored those who warned that if he abandoned Iraq the vacuum would fill with "extremists" who are truthfully just very religious Muslims

Obama then called ISIS "JV" in its infancy despite all of the warnings then went golfing

He and Hillary worked to topple other ME powers with no plans to fill the vacuums they created, left that to ISIS too

Some hero

Now his useful idiots blame Donald Trump for the problems he created. Claims we need to bring the problem that is at the root of every problem in the ME here

Muslims, and their blood-soaked book




1) ISIS was operating our of Syria and would launch massive terrorist attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq, and STILL recruit Sunni Iraqis. Remaining in Iraq would have denied ISIS territory in Western Iraq to be sure. But, at a huge constant stream (on a monthly basis) of American lives. All the while ISIS would continue to coordinate and inspire terrorist attacks all over the world from their HQ in Syria.

i.e. We'd be where we are now, except additionally, we would have lost thousands of American troops.

Obama was 100% correct here.


2) Actions in Libya followed in the footsteps of the disastrous ideas of the Bush Administration. Absolutely, a mistake.


3) Calling someone "JV" might be fun, but it has no relevance to actual foreign policy.


4) Saying that Obama created ISIS, represents a tabloid understanding of the region. ISIS was created out of radical Sunni frustration of non-Islamic (primarily U.S) intervention in the Middle East (primarily Iraq, but also Russia's intervention in Syria), and giving the Shia power in the Iraqi government), and "secularizing" the country. Continued American presence there would have denied ISIS Iraqi territory, but would have the effect of accelerating their terrorist efforts, and provide them with a rich target set.




WhoreMods -> RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban (2/3/2017 6:02:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Excuse me?

Who the fuck decided to invade Iraq in the first fucking place?

Oh yeah, that Bush guy.

And neither him or any other coalition country leader had ANY fucking coherent plan to stabilize the region after the war.

In point of fact, taking out Saddam only made the situation worse.

Yes he was a dictator, yes he was killing his own people that disagreed with him, but in the process he was executing Al Qaeda members every time he caught them.

And after the first gulf war, he really was no threat to anyone but his own people, which, with the exception of the Kurds, where the various groups that joined ISIS as soon as he was out of the picture.

Then Obama comes in and adds to the mess by basically doing the "let them fix it themselves" dance.

Then only thing that allowed Europe and Japan to rebuild after the war was the Marshal plan.

And now, as much as it pains me to say it, we should go to the Curtis LeMay philosophy.

Bomb the bastards back to the stone age.

Look the present game plan to fight terrorism aint working, and the Geneva convention prevents us from using the same tactics as terrorists, so we go with the semi sorta nuclear option, which is bomb the fuck out of them and use everything but the nukes.

I mean ISIS has pretty much executed everyone that didnt support them in the territories they control, so why the fuck not?


That's a spin on the leftist mantra at the time that preached how Muslims are savages who NEED iron-fisted dictators over them to keep them in check

The bloodier, the more sadistic, the better


Really? If this argument was so pervasive from the left at the time, you'll have no trouble providing some evidence for this assertion.




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