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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Everyone in favor of exterminating 1.6 Billion men, women and children who happen to be Muslim on the planet, since we have been informed that that all are being taught to kill non Muslims on sight.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Everyone in favor of exterminating 1.6 Billion men, women and children who happen to be Muslim on the planet, since we have been informed that that all are being taught to kill non Muslims on sight.

And, of course, that is wrong. There is no group where everyone is good or bad unless the group is determined by one action. On the other hand we have to be careful of each Muslim until we can verify which they are.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Everyone in favor of exterminating 1.6 Billion men, women and children who happen to be Muslim on the planet, since we have been informed that that all are being taught to kill non Muslims on sight.

And, of course, that is wrong. There is no group where everyone is good or bad unless the group is determined by one action. On the other hand we have to be careful of each Muslim until we can verify which they are.

Ah, but there is a large number of people who are making the claim that ALL muslims are guilty of terrorism or would be terrorists given half the chance, therefore the only logical way to prevent this is genocide....

Or the "kill em all and let god sort em out" theory of problem solving.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

It's not that they are all terrorists but they are all carriers of an ideology that is counter to western values and is condusive to terrorism.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

The only one using the genocide card is you. President Trump wants to crush ISIS and any others who are causing any refugee crisis, and keep those who can "self-radicalize" out. That that means all of them isn't on us, it's on them

Their book demands that they kill us. It's their book, no one elses. The issue with them is theirs alone

If they commit their daily atrocities because of us, why do they commit acts of terror (as Mohammad taught) against African villages etc. Against Sikhs in India, against a discotheque in Bali

Want me to list their acts of terror in the last month again, because it takes up a lot of space - and only a tiny fraction includes Americans

Get a clue, moron - they kill to please Allah. It has very little to do with Reagan or Trump or any other American president

All they need for their propaganda is this website, or any other example of what they consider our "depraved' society

The way our women dress at the beach, or even in malls

That's ALL they need

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Everyone in favor of exterminating 1.6 Billion men, women and children who happen to be Muslim on the planet, since we have been informed that that all are being taught to kill non Muslims on sight.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Everyone in favor of exterminating 1.6 Billion men, women and children who happen to be Muslim on the planet, since we have been informed that that all are being taught to kill non Muslims on sight.

exterminating ? which useage? 1917 or 2017?

1917 not so bad,

2017 we could try to ressurect Churchill and Eisenhower, they were good at it.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Again, have you actually read the entire Koran?

Do you know anything about the religion other than what the shit heads at Fox news and Islamophobic conservative talking heads tell you?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Everyone in favor of exterminating 1.6 Billion men, women and children who happen to be Muslim on the planet, since we have been informed that that all are being taught to kill non Muslims on sight.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
You cannot debate logically, and I will not engage with a mindless blowhard like you at any length except to rub your face in your ignorance now and then, so I and others can have an occasional laugh at your mindless stupidity

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX



Your mind is like a sieve

You blather on mindlessly about so many things that I have previously addressed at length and have already proven to be ignorance and lies your part, and for that reason I have no patience for you.

For example, you claim that Muslims would have torn us asunder already if that were their plan

Idiot, I pointed to the fact that the Muslims (led by the Ottomans) lost the jihad they declared on us during WW I, and that most Muslims live where everyone else who isn't exactly like them has already been slaughtered

Wherever diversity still exists in their midst there is bloodshed, mass murder and acts of terror, again and again. I have proven that, I have posted partial lists of terror attacks which are mind boggling in number, because violence is an intrinsic part of their cult. It is the means they have used to destroy every other people who they have come across up until those points in time they met a superior army

Time after time after time after time throughout their bloody history

And when they meet superior forces they lie about being the religion of peace so they can grow their numbers, and master the new technology of the latest resistant infidel

Even as they are laying low biding their time acts of terror STILL occur wherever they are, they cannot help themselves. That's not to mention the draconian laws in Muslim-controlled lands which routinely outlaw diversity because the Koran demands that too

You blame their bloodthirsty habits on America, I point to acts of terror wherever they are that involve no Americans and your only response is to question my education and my reading list, as if that is a relevant rebuttal. I post the parts of the Koran that demand violence of them and you have no answer for that either, except to lash out and start mindlessly going on about the communists and the Japanese, which are totally irrelevant to anything that I have posted

You cannot debate logically, and I will not engage with a mindless blowhard like you at any length except to rub your face in your ignorance now and then, so I and others can have an occasional laugh at your mindless stupidity

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

First, Voltair renounced his play and statements against Islam in A Treatise on Tolerance, something you would have known had you actually done any real research, attended something other than a high school or actually thought to read something other than some Islamophobic propaganda.

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It does not require great art, or magnificently trained eloquence, to prove that
Christians should tolerate each other. I, however, am going further: I say that we should
regard all men as our brothers. What? The Turk my brother? The Chinaman my brother?
The Jew? The Siam? Yes, without doubt; are we not all children of the same father and
creatures of the same God?

But these people despise us; they treat us as idolaters! Very well! I will tell them that
they are grievously wrong. It seems to me that I would at least astonish the proud,
dogmatic Islam imam or Buddhist priest, if I spoke to them as follows:

"This little globe, which is but a point, rolls through space, as do many
other globes; we are lost in the immensity of the universe. Man, only five
feet high, is assuredly only a small thing in creation. One of these
imperceptible beings says to another one of his neighbors, in Arabia or
South Africa: 'Listen to me, because God of all these worlds has
enlightened me: there are nine hundred million little ants like us on the
earth, but my ant-hole is the only one dear to God; all the other are cast off
by Him for eternity; mine alone will be happy, and all the others will be
eternally damned."

They would then interrupt me, and ask which fool blabbed all this nonsense. I would
be obliged to answer, "You, yourselves." I would then endeavor to calm them, which
would be very difficult.

I would then speak with the Christians, and I would dare to say, for example, to a
Dominican Inquisitor of the Faith: "My brother, you know that each province of Italy
has their own dialect, and that people do not speak at Venice or Bergamo the same way
they speak at Florence. The Academy of Crusca near Florence has fixed the language; its
dictionary is a rule which one dare not depart from, and the Grammar of Buonmattei is an
infallible guide that one must follow. But do you believe that the consul of the Academy,
or Buonmattei in his absence, could in conscience cut the tongues out of all the Venetians
and all the Bergamese who persist in speaking their dialect?"

The inquisitor responds, "There is a difference between your example and our
practice. For us, it is a matter of the health of your soul. It is for your good that the
director of the Inquisition ordains that you be seized on the testimony of a single person,
however infamous or criminal that person might be; that you will have no advocate to
defend you; that the name of your accuser will not even be known by you; that the
inquisitor can promise you mercy, and immediately condemn you; that five different
tortures will be applied to you, and then you will be flogged, or sent to the galleys, or
ceremoniously burned. Father Ivonet, Doctor Cuchalon, Zanchinus, Campegius, Roias,
Felynus, Gomarus, Diabarus, Gemelinus, are explicit on this point, and this pious
practice cannot suffer any contradiction."

I would take the liberty to respond, "My brother, perhaps you are reasonable; I am
convinced that you wish to do me good; but could I not be saved without all that?"
It is true that these absurd horrors do not stain the face of the earth every day; but
they are frequent, and they could easily fill a volume much greater than the gospels which
condemn them. Not only is it extremely cruel to persecute in this brief life those who do
not think the way we do, but I do not know if it might be too presumptuous to declare
their eternal damnation. It seems to me that it does not pertain to the atoms of the
moment, such as we are, to anticipate the decrees of the Creator.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

First, Voltair renounced his play and statements against Islam in A Treatise on Tolerance, something you would have known had you actually done any real research, attended something other than a high school or actually thought to read something other than some Islamophobic propaganda.

Thanks for the link. I just had a look at it, it has nothing to do with Islam or the previous quote. Only confirmed my earlier suspicion that your mind is wasted, and that the meaningless gibberish that you post is unworthy of my or anyone else's further time.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

that's likely because it was just a 12 page sampler bosco.

im looking for the full text right now.

however, if you read about Voltaire and islam on wikipedia, one of his biographers states that his antipathy towards it as a religion, despite the aforementioned praising of Muhammad's legal acumen, remained throughout his lifetime.

heres a section from another link that is possibly the one in question, which is not contrary to my sentence above:

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It does not require great art, or magnificently trained eloquence, to prove that
Christians should tolerate each other. I, however, am going further: I say that we should
regard all men as our brothers. What? The Turk my brother? The Chinaman my brother?
The Jew? The Siam? Yes, without doubt; are we not all children of the same father and
creatures of the same God?

But these people despise us; they treat us as idolaters! Very well! I will tell them that
they are grievously wrong. It seems to me that I would at least astonish the proud,
dogmatic Islam imam or Buddhist priest, if I spoke to them as follows:

"This little globe, which is but a point, rolls through space, as do many
other globes; we are lost in the immensity of the universe. Man, only five
feet high, is assuredly only a small thing in creation. One of these
imperceptible beings says to another one of his neighbors, in Arabia or
South Africa: 'Listen to me, because God of all these worlds has
enlightened me: there are nine hundred million little ants like us on the
earth, but my ant-hole is the only one dear to God; all the other are cast off
by Him for eternity; mine alone will be happy, and all the others will be
eternally damned."

They would then interrupt me, and ask which fool blabbed all this nonsense. I would
be obliged to answer, "You, yourselves." I would then endeavor to calm them, which
would be very difficult.

I would then speak with the Christians, and I would dare to say, for example, to a
Dominican Inquisitor of the Faith: "My brother, you know that each province of Italy
has their own dialect, and that people do not speak at Venice or Bergamo the same way
they speak at Florence. The Academy of Crusca near Florence has fixed the language; its
dictionary is a rule which one dare not depart from, and the Grammar of Buonmattei is an
infallible guide that one must follow. But do you believe that the consul of the Academy,
or Buonmattei in his absence, could in conscience cut the tongues out of all the Venetians
and all the Bergamese who persist in speaking their dialect?"

The inquisitor responds, "There is a difference between your example and our
practice. For us, it is a matter of the health of your soul. It is for your good that the
director of the Inquisition ordains that you be seized on the testimony of a single person,
however infamous or criminal that person might be; that you will have no advocate to
defend you; that the name of your accuser will not even be known by you; that the
inquisitor can promise you mercy, and immediately condemn you; that five different
tortures will be applied to you, and then you will be flogged, or sent to the galleys, or
ceremoniously burned. Father Ivonet, Doctor Cuchalon, Zanchinus, Campegius, Roias,
Felynus, Gomarus, Diabarus, Gemelinus, are explicit on this point, and this pious
practice cannot suffer any contradiction."

I would take the liberty to respond, "My brother, perhaps you are reasonable; I am
convinced that you wish to do me good; but could I not be saved without all that?"
It is true that these absurd horrors do not stain the face of the earth every day; but
they are frequent, and they could easily fill a volume much greater than the gospels which
condemn them. Not only is it extremely cruel to persecute in this brief life those who do
not think the way we do, but I do not know if it might be too presumptuous to declare
their eternal damnation. It seems to me that it does not pertain to the atoms of the
moment, such as we are, to anticipate the decrees of the Creator.

http://oasocialstudies.tripod.com/16-Voltaire_on_Toleration.pdf