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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 5:18:08 AM   
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God is not the entity being discussed in my post.

And i doubt that you'll find a Christian website that declares obedience to Jesus is MUST for ALL.
Perhaps those exact words will not be found but the thought will be found.

Christians believe that there will be many who will not follow Christianity but that those who do not follow it will face the penalty.

Pretty much making it a must for all.



as well as a free choice for all. and its not an "obedience" issue---its a belief and repentance one.


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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 5:22:26 AM   
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Perhaps those exact words will not be found but the thought will be found.

Christians believe that there will be many who will not follow Christianity but that those who do not follow it will face the penalty.

Pretty much making it a must for all.



The difference being: the "penalty" for a "Christian" is denial of paradise, after they die.

The "penalty" for a Muslim that doesn't follow the prophet is death ... then, denial of paradise, after they die.

It's that "middle step" that's a bitch.



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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 6:46:19 AM   
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is there a point to this, said a Jewess.
you are shown as ##deranged##
I think this proves it.

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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 6:54:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

God is not the entity being discussed in my post.

And i doubt that you'll find a Christian website that declares obedience to Jesus is MUST for ALL.
Perhaps those exact words will not be found but the thought will be found.

Christians believe that there will be many who will not follow Christianity but that those who do not follow it will face the penalty.

Pretty much making it a must for all.



Christians aren't brought up to be sex-starved young men who are promised endless young beautiful perfect virgin sex slaves as the reward for committing mass murder, the way Muslims are

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Sensual Paradise

In Islam, the concept of 72 virgins (houri) refers to an aspect of Jannah (Paradise). This concept is grounded in Qur'anic text which describe a sensual Paradise where believing men are rewarded by being wed[1] to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts.[2][3] Conversly, women will be provided with only one man, and they "will be satisfied with him".[4]

Contemporary mainstream Islamic scholars, for example; Gibril Haddad, have commented on the erotic nature of the Qur'anic Paradise, by saying some men may need ghusl (ablution required after sexual discharge) just for hearing certain verses.[5]

Orthodox Muslim theologians such as al-Ghazali (died 1111 CE) and al-Ash'ari (died 935 CE) have all discussed the sensual pleasures found in Paradise, relating hadith that describe Paradise as a slave market where there will be "no buy and sale, but... If any man will wish to have sexual intercourse with a woman, he will do at once."[6][7]

It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir,[8] and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a hasan hadith[9] from Ibn Majah,[10] wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal".[11]

The sensual pleasures between believers and houri in Paradise are also confirmed by the two Sahih collections of hadith, namely Sahih Bukhari[12] and Sahih Muslim, where we read that they will be virgins who are so beautiful, pure and transparent that "the marrow of the bones of their legs will be seen through the bones and the flesh",[13] and that "the believers will visit and enjoy them".[14]
Descriptions

There are several descriptions related to houri that are found in various Islamic references. Some include:

Physical Attributes:

Wide and beautiful/lovely eyes [15][16][17]
Like pearls [18]
Hairless except the eye brows and the head [19]

In addition to Quranic translations of 78:33 specifying the virgins will be voluptuous[20], Sahih International translates it as "full-breasted [companions] of equal age". Tafsir al-Jalalayn says "and buxom maidens (kawā‘ib is the plural of kā‘ib) of equal age (atrāb is the plural of tirb)". Several Islamic scholars explain that they will have "large, round breasts which are not inclined to hang".[21]


Beautiful [13]
White skinned [22]
60 cubits [27.5 meters] tall [23][22]
7 cubits [3.2 meters] in width [22]
Transparent to the marrow of their bones [21][13]
Eternally young [19]
Companions of equal age [20][24]

Sexual Attributes:

Untouched / with hymen unbroken by sexual intercourse [25][26]
Virgins [27]
Voluptuous/full-breasted [20]
With large, round breasts which are not inclined to hang [21][3]
Appetizing vaginas [11]

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In addition to Quranic translations of 78:33 specifying the virgins will be voluptuous[20], Sahih International translates it as "full-breasted [companions] of equal age". Tafsir al-Jalalayn says "and buxom maidens (kawā‘ib is the plural of kā‘ib) of equal age (atrāb is the plural of tirb)". Several Islamic scholars explain that they will have "large, round breasts which are not inclined to hang".[21]


Personality Attributes:

Chaste [15]
Restraining their glances [15][25]
Modest gaze [28]

Other Attributes:

Splendid [29]
Pure [13]
Non-menstruating / non-urinating/ non-defecating and childfree [21][30]
Never dissatisfied [30]
Will sing praise [7]

Authenticity

Whilst there are numerous sources, including the Qur'an, which tell us believing males will be rewarded with virgins, many who are concerned about the authenticity of the 72 virgins concept are under the misconception that there is only one weak (da`if) reference to the exact number of houri given to them. These narrations are in fact found in many hadith collections with varying levels of authenticity, ranging from hasan (good) to sahih (authentic).

For example, in the Sunan Ibn Majah, one of the six major Hadith collections,[31] it states in a hasan (good)[9] narration that every male admitted into Paradise will be given eternal erections and wed to 72 wives, all with libidinous sex organs.[10] Similarly in another hadith with multiple narrators that has been graded hasan (good), it states that the martyr (shahid) will be married to seventy-two of al-hoor al-‘iyn.[32][33]

In the Sunan al-Tirmidhi, another of the six major Hadith collections,[31] it states that the smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode with seventy-two houri.[34] Note that this is not a "weak Hadith that has no Sanad (chain of narrators)", as some have claimed.[35] It has been graded hasan sahih gharib,[9] meaning this hadith is hasan since it has several chains of transmitters, it is sahih as the chains are all authentic and it is gharib in the words that Imam Tirmidhi narrated.[36]

Also reported in Sunan al-Kubra and Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, and declared sahih (authentic)[9] by Ibn Abi Shayba, Ibn Hibban, and al-Hakim is the hadith that states the servant in Paradise will be married with seventy wives and that they'll be given the sexual strength for a hundred.[37]

Orthodox Muslim theologians have related further hadith that give us the exact number of 72, such as al-Ghazali who wrote, "[The Prophet said] the lowest rank of an inmate of Paradise will have eighty thousand servants and seventy two wives."[38]
Virgins or Raisins?

This false myth of "white raisins" originated from Christoph Luxenberg, a modern author writing under a pseudonym.[39] His anti-Islamic claim,[40] which has been accused of having a "Christian apologetic agenda",[41] is that the Qur'an was drawn from Christian Syro-Aramaic texts in the early 8th century, in order to evangelize the Arabs,[42] and that the Aramaic word 'hur' (white raisin) had been mistranslated by later Arab commentators into the Arabic word 'houri' (virgin).[43]

The Qur'an describes the physical characteristics of the houri in many places, and a reading of relevant verses show that Luxenberg's theory regarding heavenly white raisins is in error.

Raisins, which are dried grapes, cannot have large eyes,[17] big breasts,[20] cannot restrain their glances,[25] cannot be described as chaste,[25] or have any of the characteristics listed above. The Qur'an further states that men will be wed to these houri.[1] Men cannot be married to raisins or white grapes.

Additionally, for someone to accept this "72 raisins" theory, they would also have to accept that the Qur'an was not written by Allah or revealed to the Prophet Muhammad in Arabic during the 7th century, but was in fact written by Christian evangelists in Syro-Aramaic during the 8th century.
Terrorism

Suicide is clearly forbidden in Islam, but the permissibility of martyrdom operations (Istishhad) is an altogether different topic, with scholars being split on the issue.

Notable scholars and apologists such as Shaykh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, the world's most quoted independent Islamic jurist,[44] and Dr. Zakir Naik, known for his advocacy of "Qur'anic science", have justified the use of suicide bombing in Islam.[45][46][47] Opinion polls have further shown that an extremely large number of Muslims from around the world support the practice.[44][48][49][50]

The Qur'an states that all Muslim males, not only martyrs, will be rewarded with virgins.[27] However, the Qur'an does also mention that those who fight in the way of Allah (jihad) and get killed will be given a "great reward",[51] and there are also hasan (good) hadith[33] which refer to 72 virgins as one of the "seven blessings from Allah" to the martyr.[32] This has lead to the 72 virgins concept being widely used as a way to entice other Muslims into carrying out "martyrdom operations" for Islam.

This is witnessed in Palestine, where the actions of a mother who sends her son to die as a martyr is sometimes seen as "marrying him off",[52] and where the concept is used in Friday sermons and music videos, both airing on official television.[53][54] It has even been used in the United Kingdom, where, in one event, Muslim teens were told to train with Kalashnikov rifles with the promise that the would receive 72 virgins in paradise if they died as religious martyrs.[55]

Contrary to what the Qur'an, hadith, scholars and Muslims themselves say, a western author named Margaret Nydell in a book that "promotes understanding between modern-day Arabs and Westerners", states that mainstream Muslims regard the belief of 72 virgins in the same way that mainstream Christians regard the belief that after death they will be issued with wings and a harp, and walk on clouds.[56]

The Bible (and more specifically Jesus in the four Gospels) does not discuss the issue of wings and a harp being provided for Christians upon their arrival in Heaven. However, both the Qur'an and Muhammad in the hadith literature do discuss the issue of virgins being provided for Muslim men upon their arrival in Paradise. So the claim made by Margaret Nydell, equating the belief in receiving heavenly virgins to that of believing in receiving heavenly wings and harps, is inaccurate and misleading.
Conclusion

The Qur'anic Paradise is sensual in nature,[5] promising Muslim men voluptuous[20] virgins[27] but does not specify their exact number. This cannot possibly be a mistranslation because raisins do not have large eyes[17] or cannot be wed to men.[1]

The hadith literature compliment the Qur'anic text by specifying the exact number of virgins as 72 and providing us with detailed descriptions of their characteristics. These narrations are not weak but vary in strength from good to authentic.[9][33][57]

We are also given details on the physical attributes given to men to sustain 72 virgins, namely, ever-erect penises that never soften[10][11] and the sexual strength to satisfy 100.[37][58][59]

Although it does say they will receive a "great reward",[51] and there are also hasan hadith[33] which refer to 72 virgins as one of the "seven blessings from Allah" to the martyr,[32] the Qur'an does not specify these virgins are a reward for jihadists/martyrs, but rather for any Muslim male who gains admittance to Paradise.[27]


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An artist impression of the 72 virgins. The Qur'an, hadith and Islamic scholars all mention that virgins will be awarded to Muslim men in Paradise.


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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 7:05:07 AM   
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no, of course all young christian men are like Josh Duggar.....oh wait, you mean he isnt representative of christian manhood?
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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 10:53:34 AM   
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is there a point to this, said a Jewess.
you are shown as ##deranged##
I think this proves it.



Deranged? How so?

My point is that this is what Islam teaches, and they have it posted on their website.

They basically are telling all christians, jews (People of the Book) that they don't have rights. (That should bother you btw). You don't have the right to maintain your belief system, but you must obey Muhammed.

This is what they believe. This is what they publicly post.

Not having rights to choose and being told you 'Must obey' should be big red flags to everyone.

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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 3:37:58 PM   
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the atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman.

Well as for atheists, I wouldn't know but it would not be in the interest of a thief to find a policeman because in a practical sense, he's not...looking for one.

As over the many 100's of thousands of years, man has still...not found a god.

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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 3:41:15 PM   
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Mr Rodgers How would you explain the first molicues creation if it weren't devine intervention? Just askin cause you are entitled to your belief system :D

Darwinian evolution??

Well actually, no. Biological evolution presupposes biology. The origins of life are something we haven't nailed down yet.

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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 3:46:27 PM   
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Just kill all these nuts.

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Assuming that by nuts, you mean all of the non-believers and if so, one must conclude therefore that your life didn't begin or grow with an innate knowledge of what it right or wrong.

Plus wouldn't your statement if followed up, be just like the Muslim who too, would...kill all of those non-believers ? (nuts)

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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 3:48:56 PM   
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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 4:59:06 PM   
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Not all verified here and utter messes have spoken with hobgoblin

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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 5:12:56 PM   
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just me then?

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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 5:15:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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is there a point to this, said a Jewess.
you are shown as ##deranged##
I think this proves it.



Deranged? How so?

My point is that this is what Islam teaches, and they have it posted on their website.

They basically are telling all christians, jews (People of the Book) that they don't have rights. (That should bother you btw). You don't have the right to maintain your belief system, but you must obey Muhammed.

This is what they believe. This is what they publicly post.

Not having rights to choose and being told you 'Must obey' should be big red flags to everyone.



Links?



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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 5:16:06 PM   
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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 5:17:51 PM   
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is there a point to this, said a Jewess.
you are shown as ##deranged##
I think this proves it.



Deranged? How so?

My point is that this is what Islam teaches, and they have it posted on their website.

They basically are telling all christians, jews (People of the Book) that they don't have rights. (That should bother you btw). You don't have the right to maintain your belief system, but you must obey Muhammed.

This is what they believe. This is what they publicly post.

Not having rights to choose and being told you 'Must obey' should be big red flags to everyone.



Links?




The link is in the OP.

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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 5:51:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Mr Rodgers How would you explain the first molicues creation if it weren't devine intervention? Just askin cause you are entitled to your belief system :D

Darwinian evolution??

Well actually, no. Biological evolution presupposes biology. The origins of life are something we haven't nailed down yet.

K.



Life begins with a chemical reaction.


should be easy to reproduce that very first "chemical reaction" (the one where "life" came from "non life") in a laboratory then right?


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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 6:27:00 PM   
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And i doubt that you'll find a Christian website that declares obedience to Jesus is MUST for ALL.

Obedience to Jesus is not even such a bad thing. What could go wrong following Jesus? He never killed anybody. He was never physically violent towards others. He preached turn the other cheek.

So IF ONLY Christianity has this Obedience to Jesus thingy, imagine how much more peaceful this whole world is gonna be. But Christianity is about Free Will, although Free Will still means, Believe or Go to Hell. But Hey! That's After Life!

But Obedience to Muhammad, a war lord who have murdered by example. That's why we have ISIS.



Obedience to a Jesus? A Jewish Socialist...

Bernie Sanders! :)

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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 6:28:45 PM   
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yes, and they have done it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/7745868/Scientist-Craig-Venter-creates-life-for-first-time-in-laboratory-sparking-debate-about-playing-god.html
http://www.space.com/29057-life-building-blocks-created-nasa-lab.html
http://www.rdmag.com/article/2016/03/scientists-create-revolutionary-synthetic-life-form
http://www.livescience.com/54165-artificial-bacterium-has-smallest-genome.html

Now about all your gods here, bring the son of a bitches to me. You can do that, right?




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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 6:40:28 PM   
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Mr Rodgers How would you explain the first molicues creation if it weren't devine intervention? Just askin cause you are entitled to your belief system :D



Well there are ionic bonds and covalent bonds. For highschool chemistry, get ten people together with three bucks an hour each and fork it over. If you reject that, wiki is your friend.

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RE: No one has the right... - 2/1/2017 6:53:14 PM   
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the atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman.


Interesting statement. I have come to the conclusion that god is in jail. Ask any crackhead who gets busted, after he stews in the joint for a bit he finds god.

I have the perfect example. Dude makes about $95,000 a year in IT. So he steals $80,000 worth of equipment and sells it for $50,000 to keep the party going.

Interesting case psychologically really, I think he was buying friends because it is almost to the point where one person simply could not do that much drugs. And of course like many things it makes no sense because the guy was witty and outgoing, he did not have to buy friends.

And I tell you this, this guy was good with computers. he could come on this (or any other) site and have all of your information, down to SSN. Probably get your credit report faster than you can. (BTW CreditKarma sells info about your income to the banks when they do your taxes "for free"). He probably should work for the government and find out who really hacked. they say Russia did it but that is totally unproven. This guy could prove it.

But as to the title of the OP here I suggest heeding these words : MIGHT MAKES RIGHT.

It has always been that way and it always will be.

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