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Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 women/c... - 2/5/2017 5:57:15 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Trump's first counterterrorism raid in Yemen had inadequate intel.
His first military raid took the life of U.S. Navy SEAL William “Ryan” Owens.

Donald Trump, as President of the United States, is getting people needlessly killed. In a report released at 4:56 a.m. Thursday from Reuters, two lines are deeply troubling and cannot be ignored about Trump’s first military raid — which happened this past weekend in Yemen. They state:

“U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.

“As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced Al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists.”

Now we have learned that at least 15 women and children were killed in the raid that also took the life of U.S. Navy SEAL William “Ryan” Owens.

This is not okay, but it is completely and totally predictable. Of course Donald Trump rushed into this operation “without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup operations.” He has no idea what he’s doing. He has no government or military experience. He’s never served in government a day in his life. He has openly admitted to not reading his daily briefings. Everything we know about Donald Trump has told us that he would lead us into something “without sufficient intelligence,” except now he’s not blathering on about the investigators he sent to Hawaii to find Obama’s birth certificate. Now he is leading military operations.

In addition to the civilian casualties and the loss of a Navy SEAL, the commandos were also forced to destroy a $70 million helicopter that they had to abandon as well.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-trump-people-needlessly-killed-military-raid-article-1.2962358

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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 6:02:16 AM   
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Conway was on the news the other day saying he approved it while he was eating dinner... he probably just didn't want to be bothered by it.

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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 7:03:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose it is not too surprising that you post a piece that looks like it could have been written by al-Qaida itself.

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Spicer said the plan had been under consideration since November 7, and officials under the administration of Barack Obama reviewed and approved it January 6, but did not proceed because they were waiting for a moonless night -- the next one wouldn't be until after Obama had left office.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-says-yemen-raid-left-soldier-civilians-dead-192357541.html

are you also trump deranged enough to believe that he ordered the raid, all by himself, contrary to counsel from the military?

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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 7:25:27 AM   
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I suppose it is not too surprising that you post a piece that looks like it could have been written by al-Qaida itself.

meanwhile:

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Spicer said the plan had been under consideration since November 7, and officials under the administration of Barack Obama reviewed and approved it January 6, but did not proceed because they were waiting for a moonless night -- the next one wouldn't be until after Obama had left office.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-says-yemen-raid-left-soldier-civilians-dead-192357541.html

are you also trump deranged enough to believe that he ordered the raid, all by himself, contrary to counsel from the military?

By Al Qaeda itself? You've been practicing your strawman! FFS. Here's the thing. He distains Intel. This raid and consequence shows exactly why listening to intelligence and not "I'm a pretty smart guy" reasoning is important. In the real world, facts do matter. Alternative facts don't change reality. This rate, this result, and this president prove it and by the way, I will continue to be a concerned American citizen. If that's Al Qaeda to you, then you have a lot of problems you need to take a look at. Get used to it. This is America.

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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 7:28:50 AM   
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http://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-officials-trump-ordered-raid-in-yemen-that-killed-us-navy-seal-was-approved-without-sufficient-intelligence-2017-2

Oh no, nutsuckers! A nutsucker slobberblog!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-02/leaked-military-official-comments-claim-trumps-first-counter-terror-op-was-undertake

To be surprised by the resistance, the number of people killed and in the compound, is not indicative of current and vetted intel.
Old Il Douchemeister likely thought, oh its just a little operation with some country moozlims that america the greatest country on earth will waltz in there and I can claim to be a hero in my first week in office.

C'mon wake up, hes a 'tard, the fact that he is a nutsucker should be prima facie evidence of that. And they knew he was a tard when they elected him.


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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 7:38:07 AM   
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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 7:43:57 AM   
Musicmystery


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Choose whatever source you like. Still short sighted, still dumb, still dead.

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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 7:44:30 AM   
WickedsDesire


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Status: offline 		Fuk just how many women and children were killed. Never made our main news website that here - weird.

Absolutely, he is smarter than the generals guffawed at that one mnottertail - read that article ta. HeavyBlinker sorry I missed them getting hammered into you

Fukupstorm unless any of you can come up with a better name....other than murder,

Trumps counting can be a bit dubious total shite on its best day
1. Slabbered (means trounced) by 3 million votes - still disputes that and claims millions of savage darkies, filthy Mexican, ghosts and pink unicorns voted for bitch witch binton
2. Then there was something about his inauguration 40 billion or something, backed up by his press muppet who backed up president maggots lies and who was later quoted as having used "alternative facts"

Team America trust me, left or right, the film is 10/10 - odd that barely made its budget in Americashire, like all em snowden etc films. Americashire is in constant denial.

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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 7:45:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		"A White House official said the operation was thoroughly vetted by the previous administration and the previous defense secretary had signed off on it in January. The raid was delayed for operational reasons, the White House official said. "

That has to be the most sickening line in the Business Insider article. That huge pussy Trump will not ever take responsibility for anything. I just wonder how many more have to die before they throw him out.

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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 7:47:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		But it was Obamas plan....its his fault...not trumps,
Trump has the best plans...
strange that hils is at personal fault for benghazi happening, but trump can blame Obama( or the military) for the clusterfuck ON his watch,


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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 7:49:58 AM   
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But it was Obamas plan....its his fault...not trumps,
Trump has the best plans...
strange that hils is at personal fault for benghazi happening, but trump can blame Obama( or the military) for the clusterfuck ON his watch,



You are deliberately forgetting he specifics about Benghazi, which is a real scandal

Ironic that you are stupid enough to try to compare the two




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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 7:55:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

I suppose it is not too surprising that you post a piece that looks like it could have been written by al-Qaida itself.

meanwhile:

quote:

Spicer said the plan had been under consideration since November 7, and officials under the administration of Barack Obama reviewed and approved it January 6, but did not proceed because they were waiting for a moonless night -- the next one wouldn't be until after Obama had left office.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-says-yemen-raid-left-soldier-civilians-dead-192357541.html

are you also trump deranged enough to believe that he ordered the raid, all by himself, contrary to counsel from the military?


More lies from Spicer.

And just like the lie you believed about the fake massacre, you will swallow it because you don't want to admit that Trump has no business being where he is. HE IS FUCKING INCOMPETENT.

You keep pretending that a spoiled brat real estate tycoon with malignant narcissism can just become president with no coherent political agenda, no real vision, no experience and NO HUMILITY, then when he screws up, it's all perfectly okay and/or terrorists control the news. Does he really strike you as the kind of person who would sit down and listen to a general for hours? Does he even strike you as the type of person who would weigh the options, or who wouldn't actually push for a military strike without proper preparation? DID HE PREPARE FOR THE REFUGEE BAN???

And no, Obama didn't approve it... he left it to his successor in the hopes that they would gather better intelligence. Trump didn't do that, he just signed off on it without consulting anyone including his military advisors... and now a SEAL, an 8 year old American girl, and other women and children are dead because he thinks he's a fucking superhero and wanted to eat dinner in peace.

I want to believe that this will be a wakeup call for him, but I doubt it. I expect another 9/11 soon... and it will be Trump's fault.

Hopefully someone will have the decency to expose him so he can be impeached before it happens.

The fact that the leaks keep coming makes me think his own inner circle is trying to tell us that he is fucking insane... either that or they're really taking the whole 'he only knows what he sees in the media' thing to heart and this is about them telling him indirectly that he's fucking up.

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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 7:58:53 AM   
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The operation was planned during the Obama administration, ordered by Trump and failed.

I would not compare it to Benghazi, but there are definite similarities to the Bay of Pigs.

It is not the first time a President gave the go ahead on an op that went south, it wont be the last.

So, in light of that, give it a rest, blasting Trump will not bring back the dead.

He went with the information he had, given him by the men that who were experts in this kind of operation, and it went south.

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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 7:59:39 AM   
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But it was Obamas plan....its his fault...not trumps,
Trump has the best plans...
strange that hils is at personal fault for benghazi happening, but trump can blame Obama( or the military) for the clusterfuck ON his watch,



You are deliberately forgetting he specifics about Benghazi, which is a real scandal

Ironic that you are stupid enough to try to compare the two





We know the specifics about Benghazi, we had 11 nutsucker political assassinations we paid for on it.

The nutsuckers found no wrongdoing, no ineptitude, and how could they? They were it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6BLMz1chEM


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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 8:04:00 AM   
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(He must be removed at any cost)

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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 8:10:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		heavyblinker I agree with everything you said....were did they get spicer from anyway? I must look that up some day and his credentials and any past total lying Kunto experience. Worries me all em tweet lies, backed up with press conference fibbery (Americans know what fib means?) and the fact they get on camera and look America in the eyes as the howl their madness out.

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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 8:10:54 AM   
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In the real world, facts do matter.

Well let's go with that. If "the plan had been under consideration since November 7, and officials under the administration of Barack Obama reviewed and approved it January 6," then the failures in intelligence and planning would seem to devolve upon the Obama administration, leaving Trump guilty at worst of relying on the previous administration's assessment. One might also wonder if these unnamed "officials" cited by Reuters expressed their view prior to the raid, and whether it was considered to have merit by the military entities charged with carrying out the plan.

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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 8:12:16 AM   
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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 8:20:03 AM   
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In the real world, facts do matter.

Well let's go with that. If "the plan had been under consideration since November 7, and officials under the administration of Barack Obama reviewed and approved it January 6," then the failures in intelligence and planning would seem to devolve upon the Obama administration, leaving Trump guilty at worst of relying on the previous administration's assessment. One might also wonder if these unnamed "officials" cited by Reuters expressed their view prior to the raid, and whether it was considered to have merit by the military entities charged with carrying out the plan.

K.





So the previous administration would have launched the attack without reviewing the situation and any changes daily from the 6th, to the date of the launch?, or was that not done by a new CIC, and trumps team did not review it before launching it?



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RE: Buffoon-in-Chief goes w/o intel, kills SEAL, 15 wom... - 2/5/2017 8:23:58 AM   
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But it was Obamas plan....its his fault...not trumps,
Trump has the best plans...
strange that hils is at personal fault for benghazi happening, but trump can blame Obama( or the military) for the clusterfuck ON his watch,



You are deliberately forgetting he specifics about Benghazi, which is a real scandal

Ironic that you are stupid enough to try to compare the two







And you dont know the specifics of Yemen, but you are blaming Obama, Im not forgetting anything.
Meanwhile El Prezidente is still using a non secure phone and all his staff are using email non Gov emails
dont give me a scandal when it doesnt apply to anyone but hils...
She lost, get over it...


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