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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/15/2017 10:08:31 PM   
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I think as long as we know that they were communicating why don't they tell us what they were talking about.


I know you're used to right wing news outlets and Trump tweets where people just say whatever they want, but believe it or not when it comes to Intelligence it's pretty important to make sure you know what's real and what isn't.


What's your point? I am being serious. If they can tell us there were communications between Trump campaign and Russis, why can't they tell us anything about them. What was discussed, and who specifically discussed it.


So you think they're lying?
What exactly are you getting at?

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/15/2017 10:10:29 PM   
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I think as long as we know that they were communicating why don't they tell us what they were talking about.


I know you're used to right wing news outlets and Trump tweets where people just say whatever they want, but believe it or not when it comes to Intelligence it's pretty important to make sure you know what's real and what isn't.


What's your point? I am being serious. If they can tell us there were communications between Trump campaign and Russis, why can't they tell us anything about them. What was discussed, and who specifically discussed it.


So you think they're lying?
What exactly are you getting at?


I'm getting at... i want to know what exactly the Trump people and Russia people were discussing.

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/15/2017 10:22:39 PM   
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I'm getting at... i want to know what exactly the Trump people and Russia people were discussing.


You'll have to wait.

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/15/2017 10:43:15 PM   
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I'm getting at... i want to know what exactly the Trump people and Russia people were discussing.


You'll have to wait.


Why? If it was something serious, wouldn't something be happening?

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/15/2017 10:43:26 PM   
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I'm getting at... i want to know what exactly the Trump people and Russia people were discussing.


You'll have to wait.

We could speculate a little about the subject(s) of their conversations.

It is unlikely they were swapping fashion tips or holiday experiences. Broadly there are two main areas that these parties would be interested in exchanging views;
(i) Russian-US relations, which would cover the sanctions, elections, potential policy changes under a Trump administration, areas of disagreement with current (pre-election) US policy, and other outstanding issues between the US and Russia; and
(ii) the international scene, including Syria IS Middle East Ukraine Korea and other contentious areas.

Thinking about it, if repeated contact between Team Thump and the Russians didn't explore the ins and outs of US-Russian relations, which would have to include the sanctions and elections, what on earth did they discuss during the multiple occasions on which the two sides had conversations? Would there be any point to having such exchanges if they didn't discuss the ins and outs of US-Russian relations? Why would Thump's National Security head honcho Flynn be involved in these conversations if there weren't national security issues on the agenda?

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/15/2017 10:43:43 PM   
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JOhn Schindler, former NS intelligence analyst posted this on twitter:

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/831872441597194241

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Now we go nuclear. IC war going to new levels. Just got an EM fm senior IC friend, it began: "He will die in jail."


...referring to Trump.

Also:

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/831871040762630146

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US intelligence is not the problem here. The President's collusion with Russian intelligence is. Many details, but the essence is simple.


LOCK HIM UP!

Seriously... he's going down.
Better sooner than later, because Trump is making the US a prime target.

Good job, RWNJ assholes!

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/15/2017 10:55:33 PM   
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JOhn Schindler, former NS intelligence analyst posted this on twitter:

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/831872441597194241

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Now we go nuclear. IC war going to new levels. Just got an EM fm senior IC friend, it began: "He will die in jail."


...referring to Trump.

Also:

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/831871040762630146

quote:

US intelligence is not the problem here. The President's collusion with Russian intelligence is. Many details, but the essence is simple.


LOCK HIM UP!

Seriously... he's going down.
Better sooner than later, because Trump is making the US a prime target.

Good job, RWNJ assholes!


Trump is making the US a prime target for what?

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/15/2017 11:05:43 PM   
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Trump is making the US a prime target for what?


All of this political turmoil is making the country weak. If the branches are not working together, then it's possible that someone could conclude that it makes sense to attack when we're at our weakest. Of course, the IC doesn't need Trump to be effective and the possibility that the country could rally behind Trump in the wake of a massive attack is probably on the minds of the potential attackers too... still, it doesn't mean Russia won't try to make it happen since Trump is their bitch.

Russia just slapped Trump in the face with the warship and he isn't going to do anything about it because they own him-- no tweets, no condemnations. He literally walked off the stage when a reporter asked him about Russia, and refuses to say anything bad about them. He was nastier to AUSTRALIA than he has ever been to Russia.

The IC knows A LOT more than they are letting on, and so do political insiders... it's going to come out, but if it came out now it would destabilize the country even more and possibly provoke a military response from Russia that could escalate.

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/15/2017 11:24:57 PM   
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Now does the senate pish swamp have the stomach for this as a little over half it have enabled creatures every single move.

We all know, idiots aside, Emperor Putin engineered the Americashire jackal election and put a Kremlin stooge, called comrade grab the bints by the pussy with tiny claws trump into power...and how is that investigation, committee white red wash, of commie dik spunkeroons going Americashire jackals?

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/16/2017 1:31:06 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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I'm getting at... i want to know what exactly the Trump people and Russia people were discussing.


You'll have to wait.


Why? If it was something serious, wouldn't something be happening?



Something IS happening.
But you can't actually do anything until you have everything you need to make sure it sticks.

That's sort of how trials work.

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/16/2017 5:34:52 AM   
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One has to wonder about the intelligence of a man who spent his army carrear as a spook.
Why would he think that the phone of a russian diplomat was not tapped.
Who would pick someone that stupid as a national security advisor.
Jesus that is just phoquing stupid.

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/16/2017 2:00:38 PM   
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"On The Hunt: "We're Going to Find The Leakers And They're Going to Pay a Big Price""

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As stories containing closely held intelligence details keep on coming, the White House and Congress have launched serious and expansive investigations into who is leaking information to the press.

While Press Secretary Sean Spicer said earlier this week former National Security Advisor General Michael Flynn was asked to resign over an irreconcilable breach of trust, the issue of people inside government leaking damaging information for political purposes has been a main focus within the administration.

First, President Trump is livid. Over the past two days Trump has repeatedly called leaks a "criminal act" and said at the White House today, "We're going to find the leakers and they're going to pay a big price."

The spotlight has finally been put on the low-life leakers! They will be caught!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 16, 2017

Leaking, and even illegal classified leaking, has been a big problem in Washington for years. Failing @nytimes (and others) must apologize!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 16, 2017...



https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/02/16/on-the-hunt-for-leaks-house-senate-and-trump-demand-answers-n2286880


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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/16/2017 3:19:04 PM   
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I think RNC servers, why do you think the fucking stupid are think think those phones unsecured that Commies are those private house, retards won. those private house, reall those private phones are you the fuckwhite house, retard, ally so retards won. think think the RNC servers?

how fuckingeboxes unsecured their reall their retards won. that Commie radio ship is off our coast? Are you the coast? Are you those private phones are think the leaky mingeboxes are you, fucking why do you the leaky mingebox.

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/16/2017 3:35:28 PM   
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"House Intelligence Committee Chair: Leakers of Flynn Call ‘Belong in Jail’"

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House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-CA) said Tuesday that those who leaked the contents of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn’s phone calls “belong in jail.”

“That’s nine leakers that all belong in jail,” Nunes said. “Those nine people broke the law, clearly, by leaking classified information to anybody.”...

Flynn resigned late Monday night, after a Washington Post report on Feb. 9 said he had privately discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with a Russian ambassador during phone calls in December — despite assertions by Trump officials, including the vice president, that he had never done so.

The Post’s report cited nine anonymous current and former officials “who were in senior positions at multiple agencies” who “had access to reports from U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies that routinely monitor the communications of Russian diplomats.”...

Nunes said he also wanted to know how U.S. intelligence agencies were wiretapping Flynn’s calls, which he said may also have been illegal.

The chairman said there are only two ways that intelligence agencies can listen in on an American’s phone call — after obtaining a warrant, or inadvertently, such as in the case of Flynn speaking with a foreign official being spied on, which the report suggests was the case.

Nunes said “it’s pretty clear” that there was no warrant. [although, this account is a few days old so maybe that has changed by now]

“It’s pretty clear that’s not the case,” he said. “I’m pretty sure the FBI didn’t have a warrant on Michael Flynn … To listen to an American’s phone call you would have to go to a court, there’d be all that paperwork there. So I’m guessing that doesn’t exist.”

In case Flynn was speaking to a foreign official — Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in this case — Nunes said there should have been a process to mask Flynn’s identity.

“Unless it’s a high-level national security issue, and then someone would have to unmask the name, someone at the highest levels, they’d have to unmask that name,” Nunes said. “It’s a very high threshold to unmask an American citizen’s name, that’s a very high threshold, almost unprecedented. And if you were going to unmask it, it seems like you would immediately go get a warrant.”

“If they did that, how does all that get out to the public which is another leak of classified information,” he added. “Whoever did it, it’s illegal.”

A Wall Street Journal editorial on Tuesday also questioned whether spies listening to Flynn broke the law.

The editorial said U.S. intelligence services routinely get orders from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to monitor foreign officials, but are supposed to use “minimization procedures” that don’t let them listen to the communications of an American.

“That is, they are supposed to protect the identity and speech of innocent Americans. Yet the Washington Post, which broke the story, says it spoke to multiple U.S. officials claiming to know what Mr. Flynn said on that call,” the Journal said.

“The questions someone in the White House should ask the National Security Agency is why it didn’t use minimization procedures to protect Mr. Flynn? Or did it also have a court order to listen to Mr. Flynn, and how did it justify that judicial request?” it added.

“If Mr. Flynn was under U.S. intelligence surveillance, then Mr. Trump should know why, and at this point so should the American public. Maybe there’s an innocent explanation, but the Trump White House needs to know what’s going on with Mr. Flynn and U.S. spies,” it said.

Nunes said he is seeking more information from the FBI on what happened.

“There’s nothing to investigate until I know what happened,” he said.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/14/house-intelligence-committee-chair-leakers-of-flynn-call-belong-in-jail/

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/16/2017 3:47:09 PM   
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"House Intelligence Committee Chair: Leakers of Flynn Call ‘Belong in Jail’"

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House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-CA) said Tuesday that those who leaked the contents of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn’s phone calls “belong in jail.”
“That’s nine leakers that all belong in jail,” Nunes said. “Those nine people broke the law, clearly, by leaking classified information to anybody.”...

Flynn resigned late Monday night, after a Washington Post report on Feb. 9 said he had privately discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with a Russian ambassador during phone calls in December — despite assertions by Trump officials, including the vice president, that he had never done so.

The Post’s report cited nine anonymous current and former officials “who were in senior positions at multiple agencies” who “had access to reports from U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies that routinely monitor the communications of Russian diplomats.”...

Nunes said he also wanted to know how U.S. intelligence agencies were wiretapping Flynn’s calls, which he said may also have been illegal.

The chairman said there are only two ways that intelligence agencies can listen in on an American’s phone call — after obtaining a warrant, or inadvertently, such as in the case of Flynn speaking with a foreign official being spied on, which the report suggests was the case.

Nunes said “it’s pretty clear” that there was no warrant. [although, this account is a few days old so maybe that has changed by now]

“It’s pretty clear that’s not the case,” he said. “I’m pretty sure the FBI didn’t have a warrant on Michael Flynn … To listen to an American’s phone call you would have to go to a court, there’d be all that paperwork there. So I’m guessing that doesn’t exist.”

In case Flynn was speaking to a foreign official — Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in this case — Nunes said there should have been a process to mask Flynn’s identity.

“Unless it’s a high-level national security issue, and then someone would have to unmask the name, someone at the highest levels, they’d have to unmask that name,” Nunes said. “It’s a very high threshold to unmask an American citizen’s name, that’s a very high threshold, almost unprecedented. And if you were going to unmask it, it seems like you would immediately go get a warrant.”

“If they did that, how does all that get out to the public which is another leak of classified information,” he added. “Whoever did it, it’s illegal.”

A Wall Street Journal editorial on Tuesday also questioned whether spies listening to Flynn broke the law.

The editorial said U.S. intelligence services routinely get orders from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to monitor foreign officials, but are supposed to use “minimization procedures” that don’t let them listen to the communications of an American.

“That is, they are supposed to protect the identity and speech of innocent Americans. Yet the Washington Post, which broke the story, says it spoke to multiple U.S. officials claiming to know what Mr. Flynn said on that call,” the Journal said.

“The questions someone in the White House should ask the National Security Agency is why it didn’t use minimization procedures to protect Mr. Flynn? Or did it also have a court order to listen to Mr. Flynn, and how did it justify that judicial request?” it added.

“If Mr. Flynn was under U.S. intelligence surveillance, then Mr. Trump should know why, and at this point so should the American public. Maybe there’s an innocent explanation, but the Trump White House needs to know what’s going on with Mr. Flynn and U.S. spies,” it said.

Nunes said he is seeking more information from the FBI on what happened.

“There’s nothing to investigate until I know what happened,” he said.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/14/house-intelligence-committee-chair-leakers-of-flynn-call-belong-in-jail/


So Flynn did this so WH leakers would be caught and dealt with.

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/16/2017 3:47:20 PM   
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But you loved leakers over benghazi and emails bounty
Theres plenty of references youve made, would you like a small but in depth review?
Ddemands of prosecuttin her, jailing her.....
Now they cant be trusted?
You sound like rand paul.


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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/16/2017 4:11:51 PM   
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you'll notice all I did here comrade was post a news story. there is no indication above as to whether or not I approve or disapprove of people leaking information.

as far as Benghazi and Hillary, if you can indeed find where I specifically praised someone leaking classified information, most notably a government official, have at it.

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/16/2017 4:18:03 PM   
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I suppose stranger things have happened but there's a good chance that whoever these people are/were, they were from the Obama administration and have since been replaced.

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/16/2017 4:18:07 PM   
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You will notice that Harwood turned down Il Douche.

You will notice I have neither said whether I approve or not of the retarded felchgobbler nutsucking.
You will also note that I have not said whether I support the Douchebaggiers masters the Putin-Bannon communist administration.

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RE: Trump administration chaos--Michael Flynn resigns! - 2/16/2017 4:21:30 PM   
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im sorry that your pantsuit lost mnottertroll, that you live surrounded by trump voters, and that on top of all the other problems you clearly have.

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