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BoscoX -> 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 5:34:43 PM)

That's odd - they were doing just fine under capitalism.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/video/venezuelans-dying-hunger-220348979.html




Musicmystery -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 5:40:29 PM)

They were doing fine without a de facto dictator.




BoscoX -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 5:46:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

They were doing fine without a de facto dictator.


Democratically elected socialist

Members of the Bernie Sanders club

Ran out of other peoples' money, apparently.

Flashback: Bernie Sanders Praised Socialist Venezuela as Model for Ending Income Inequality







Musicmystery -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 6:25:49 PM)

Still struggling to learn political science, I see.




AtUrCervix -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 6:50:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

That's odd - they were doing just fine under capitalism.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/video/venezuelans-dying-hunger-220348979.html


But....they're not now.

It's easy to read headlines and say "well....they should have....if only they would have".....

But they didn't.

They did what most citizens do (as in every country)....they followed (like sheep.....like everyone does because they feel they have no "real" power....one against....and then, when they're hungry enough, they discover....everyone else was thinking the same except....now they have limited resources {as in....daily calories} to fight back).

I'm not that much of a researcher (and....I'm also a bit jaded) but....if anyone can find a way for me to send.....direct.....money....I'm all in.

I read the other day that 55% of this country's citizens is.....literally.....as in the UNESCO definition.....starving.




AtUrCervix -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 6:52:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

They were doing fine without a de facto dictator.


Democratically elected socialist

Members of the Bernie Sanders club

Ran out of other peoples' money, apparently.

Flashback: Bernie Sanders Praised Socialist Venezuela as Model for Ending Income Inequality



Boscoe....there's no doubt in my mind you're a smart person....I think this is not the time to debate politics.....(I'm confident you're spot on).

THIS is the time to find out the best way to help.




AtUrCervix -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 6:53:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Still struggling to learn political science, I see.


Nor is it the time to debate someone's cranial capacity....or lack therein.

(It's the time to help).




BoscoX -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 7:02:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Still struggling to learn political science, I see.


Still dependent on your fallacy crutches in every "debate" I see... [:D]

Socialists in Venezuela followed the familiar socialist path into authoritarianism (see the Berkley riots)

But they were democratically elected, and you cannot deny that Bernie Sanders has praised their... "Dictator" as you say




AtUrCervix -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 7:08:06 PM)

How about for once (let's just try it.....see how it all works out...call me crazy)...let's use this SPECIFIC forum....THIS thread to use this asset (everyone on Collarspace....worldwide)....what an incredible asset....to actually....help someone....possibly an entire country? Someone here CERTAINLY knows someone......there.....

Let's go!

Post it!

How can we help....without handing funds or goods to those who would not put them in the hands of people in need?

(But...even if our nominal amounts do go to the wrong folks.....ain't that better than debasing each other? I'm thinking "real" efforts {just like rock/paper/scissors} BEATS BOOOOOOOSHIT!!!).

And....I'm thinking....even tossing money to the wind....seems a far cry better than "Jane...you IGNORANT SLUT!!!"

I'm willing to stop calling you (and you....or you.....or even.....yes....you) an asshole for 3 months and give something.....to help.

How.....can we help?


I'm ready.

Post it!




BoscoX -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 7:10:17 PM)

WTF do you think you going to do, to save people, from voting for socialists




AtUrCervix -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 7:13:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

WTF do you think you going to do, to save people, from voting for socialists


Nope. They'll vote for whoever brings them food.


Personally....I'm not running for anything....nor am I looking for votes.

But I do (know) we can feed them.

And "starving" in countries such as this....just ain't the same as....wishing you'd had an extra burger at lunch....or an extra bag of fries.....here.

Where you are.

(Or here....where I am).

In your very comfortable home....with a 45 inch TV, among several other fantastic gifts you were given by....a VERY lucky lottery; (your birth place).

No white or other guilt meant here....just human decency...this thread started out with a valid comment; about these people.

I'm offering something other than derision....something more than "FUCK YOU!!! DA FUQ do you know??? Why....when I was a kid....by GAWD....I had to walk UP HILL.......BOTH WAYS.....barefoot....in theSNOW (and it doesn't even SNOW HERE....but that's what I had to do!!!!"

I'm offering an opportunity for you....me...and others....to give back. I said clearly above....I'm not much of a researcher but....I can write checks.

So....social network....do your thing!

Help those who would love to....to do so.

Starving....for these people is.....500 calories a day (or less)....when your lunch was well over 1,500, and where you stopped off on the way home....added another 2 lbs because...it was another 1,200 calories..

(Now, the question is how to do it).

And as decent human beings....we should try.

I'm simply asking that THIS social network steps up.

(I don't think that's a lot to ask).

I'm ready to write a check...yours can be small, others can be large. I don't see the size of someone's check as the deciding factor in......who gave more.

I do, however, see value in trying.

The outside world thinks we're freaks.

What if....en mass....we showed them....we're no different from them....indeed on a few occasions.....we were them and now....we're here to help....in any way we can.




BoscoX -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 7:23:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

WTF do you think you going to do, to save people, from voting for socialists


Nope.

But I do (know) we can feed them.

(Now, the question is how to do it).

And as decent human beings....we should try.

I'm simply asking that THIS social network steps up.

(I don't think that's a lot to ask).

I'm ready to write a check...yours can be small, others can be large. I don't see the size of someone's check as the deciding factor in......who gave more.

I do, however, see value in trying.

The outside world thinks we're freaks.

What if....en mass....we showed them....we're no different from them....indeed on a few occasions.....we were them and now....we're here to help....in any way we can.


They need to get their house in order. Kick the socialists out! We can't possibly take care of every nation who decided to go socialist the ends up starving

What we CAN do, what we NEED to do, is to learn from their mistake, so that we will never have to rely on the Chinese or anyone else who practices capitalism to feed US




AtUrCervix -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 7:36:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

WTF do you think you going to do, to save people, from voting for socialists


Nope.

But I do (know) we can feed them.

(Now, the question is how to do it).

And as decent human beings....we should try.

I'm simply asking that THIS social network steps up.

(I don't think that's a lot to ask).

I'm ready to write a check...yours can be small, others can be large. I don't see the size of someone's check as the deciding factor in......who gave more.

I do, however, see value in trying.

The outside world thinks we're freaks.

What if....en mass....we showed them....we're no different from them....indeed on a few occasions.....we were them and now....we're here to help....in any way we can.


They need to get their house in order. Kick the socialists out! We can't possibly take care of every nation who decided to go socialist the ends up starving

What we CAN do, what we NEED to do, is to learn from their mistake, so that we will never have to rely on the Chinese or anyone else who practices capitalism to feed US


Well....let's just do that then....explain to these people who can't find food to feed their children "You DUMB FUCKS!!! You should have done thus and so".

Yeah....that should help.

Good call Bosco.


I'll provide the stamps and envelopes Bosco....I presume you'll write the letters.

(As for me....I'm going to look for better advice than I just read).




BoscoX -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 7:44:40 PM)

It's just like with drug addicts, if they are comfortable in their addiction they won't seek recovery. The worst thing you can do, is help make their self destructive behavior consequence free

Just like addiction, socialism is a disease. It is a mental disorder. And pain, is the only known cure.




mnottertail -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 8:43:03 PM)

it aint anything to do with socialists. its nutsucker price controls (ala Nixon) and a one trick pony economy (aka any nutsucker we have in this country) and the fact that they have nutsucker like political parties posing as other parties just like here in america and our communist nutsuckers.

But dont be a fucking retard that its because of socialism while you are sucking PutinJizz from Il douchebaggers ass.




Aylee -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 8:50:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

How about for once (let's just try it.....see how it all works out...call me crazy)...let's use this SPECIFIC forum....THIS thread to use this asset (everyone on Collarspace....worldwide)....what an incredible asset....to actually....help someone....possibly an entire country? Someone here CERTAINLY knows someone......there.....

Let's go!

Post it!

How can we help....without handing funds or goods to those who would not put them in the hands of people in need?

(But...even if our nominal amounts do go to the wrong folks.....ain't that better than debasing each other? I'm thinking "real" efforts {just like rock/paper/scissors} BEATS BOOOOOOOSHIT!!!).

And....I'm thinking....even tossing money to the wind....seems a far cry better than "Jane...you IGNORANT SLUT!!!"

I'm willing to stop calling you (and you....or you.....or even.....yes....you) an asshole for 3 months and give something.....to help.

How.....can we help?


I'm ready.

Post it!


Some sort of donations to get their oil tankers to a port to be sold so that the government actually has some funds to purchase some food. Send in Christian missionaries to distribute the food.

Beyond that, agricultural help. Ask Monsanto and DuPont and other companies for seeds, herbicides, and pesticides, and fertilizers.

Venezuela likely has lots of resources. It is getting those resources distributed without political corruption that is the issue. Let the religious folks do it. They have a much better track record for lack of graft than government OR NGOs have for that type of thing.




MrRodgers -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/14/2017 11:44:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

WTF do you think you going to do, to save people, from voting for socialists


Nope. They'll vote for whoever brings them food.


Personally....I'm not running for anything....nor am I looking for votes.

But I do (know) we can feed them.

And "starving" in countries such as this....just ain't the same as....wishing you'd had an extra burger at lunch....or an extra bag of fries.....here.

Where you are.

(Or here....where I am).

In your very comfortable home....with a 45 inch TV, among several other fantastic gifts you were given by....a VERY lucky lottery; (your birth place).

No white or other guilt meant here....just human decency...this thread started out with a valid comment; about these people.

I'm offering something other than derision....something more than "FUCK YOU!!! DA FUQ do you know??? Why....when I was a kid....by GAWD....I had to walk UP HILL.......BOTH WAYS.....barefoot....in theSNOW (and it doesn't even SNOW HERE....but that's what I had to do!!!!"

I'm offering an opportunity for you....me...and others....to give back. I said clearly above....I'm not much of a researcher but....I can write checks.

So....social network....do your thing!

Help those who would love to....to do so.

Starving....for these people is.....500 calories a day (or less)....when your lunch was well over 1,500, and where you stopped off on the way home....added another 2 lbs because...it was another 1,200 calories..

(Now, the question is how to do it).

And as decent human beings....we should try.

I'm simply asking that THIS social network steps up.

(I don't think that's a lot to ask).

I'm ready to write a check...yours can be small, others can be large. I don't see the size of someone's check as the deciding factor in......who gave more.

I do, however, see value in trying.

The outside world thinks we're freaks.

What if....en mass....we showed them....we're no different from them....indeed on a few occasions.....we were them and now....we're here to help....in any way we can.

I have to write that while I do like your thinking and even admire a little your passion but I do think charity starts at home. What we send could go right down the shitter and if it weren't for the predominantly western creed of maximized profits...we'd have helped them long ago by doing a better deal on their oil.

But it isn't this govt. or the previous govt. It has been their history since 1914 when they discovered oil and even though now...No. 1 in reserves. I like looking this shit up:

The United States became a world power and imperialist nation, intent on expanding its overseas markets and guided by the social Darwinist belief that strong nations and superior races would dominate weaker nations and peoples. When Cipriano Castro (1898-1908) resisted U.S. influence, American leaders reacted angrily, displaying both their sense of racial superiority and their contempt for Latin Americans who opposed their will. Theodore Roosevelt called Castro “an unspeakably villainous little monkey” demonizing Castro as Americans have done to Pancho Villa, Augusto Sandino, Fidel Castro, and Daniel Ortega. In 1902 Germany, Italy, and Great Britain blockaded the Venezuelan coast in an effort to collect debts, an event that crystallized the emergence of Venezuelan nationalism.

Yet this was one of the last acts of European armed intervention in the Caribbean. By the early twentieth century, the Europeans had largely withdrawn and the United States exercised growing hegemony. Though Theodore Roosevelt badly wanted to take military action against Venezuela, he failed to build the public support he thought necessary to carry out such action. During this period of expansion in the Caribbean area, many U.S. leaders feared absorbing more people of color into the national amalgam. Venezuelans who worked for U.S. oil companies and other foreign-owned businesses in their country resented the often prejudiced treatment they received from their employers, who frequently preferred foreign workers. Such resentment did not go unnoticed. 'This' indicates that “numerous observers from the United States commented on the anti-Americanism of the poor, or ’unenlightened’ classes”

Then as far as I read and have known, the US jumped in bed with various oil and economically friendly dictators, made sure they stayed in power, i.e. making sure there was never too much democracy. Which as in other places, sets up a new socialist kleptocratic, oligarch...just what we need if we'd just give them a deal on selling their heavy and more expensive crude oil. We won't. Their pride and obstinacy does fuck them now.







WTFUTURD -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/15/2017 6:17:52 AM)

Well then I suggest you plant some seeds and grow some crops other than narcotcs dude.




bounty44 -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/15/2017 7:07:10 AM)

I just peeked to see if Samaritan's purse is doing anything large scale in Venezuela, and it doesn't appear they are.

I haven't looked, but I suspect the international red cross is involved there.

as far as missionaries, and being able to work through them, they are all over and cervix, if you like that approach, you can probably find something here:

https://missionfinder.org/christian-organizations/




BoscoX -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/15/2017 7:14:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

I just peeked to see if Samaritan's purse is doing anything large scale in Venezuela, and it doesn't appear they are.

I haven't looked, but I suspect the international red cross is involved there.


Another problem is that their Dear Leader types have demonized Americans and other foreigners as is typical for socialists

Extend a hand full of food, bring back a bloody stump where your hand used to be




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