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BoscoX -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/16/2017 4:56:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: now why wans't gasoline dirt cheap ? Because these MFs said "Well we can still get those prices on the open market, so fuck you". T^T The US was no.1 has fallen to the world's no 3 exporter of gasoline. That's how you can keep domestic prices up...reduce supply. Prices recently still fell because of a lack of demand but have since come back up as oil has come back up. Now of course, the US imports over 30% of its crude oil at about 9 million bbls.+/day while exporting what will soon be 1 million bbls./day. So the US petroleum industry is free to manipulate supply and prices...all they want. And oh yes, I do envy the rich and very much so. I envy how it is the rich that get a face to face, private discussion of issues with MY representative in govt.. I envy how they can buy and sell things such as real estate, stocks and bonds etc. hold them for 1 year in long term [sic] income called 'capital gains' whatever they are...and pay about 1/2 the tax rate I do if I pay the highest 1040 income tax rate...NOT called capital gains...whatever that is. I envy the rich for the equally rich associations they form and with that 'richness' invest on K St. in NW Wash and get often $30 in govt. favors for every $1 I invest. Oh yes, I envy the rich because they have lots of money and enough to buy all of the above, use that wealth and the extra 20% of 'gains' that isn't taxed to reinvest which makes them exponentially richer yet which they can again multiply even further. Oh yes, I envy the rich and for many very obvious reason to envy them. Shall I go on ? Do you need more ? The USA is a net exporter of oil https://energy.gov/maps/us-crude-oil-production-surpasses-net-imports And low capital gains taxes helps everyone who profits from investments, not just the "evil hated" successful class. Why do you communists think that the government deserves our money anyway, is it just that you hate people who are more successful that you so much that you want the government to hurt them When there is more money in the private sector that money gets invested and grows jobs and the economy, and helps everyone When the government steals private sector investment money, it hurts job growth and harms everyone, and the money is very often funneled to crony friends of the ruling class, and kickbacks are the name of the game Move to Venezuela if you hate the successful class that much. Go be with your own kind, where everyone is equal (equally miserable)

mnottertail -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/16/2017 4:59:24 PM)
es as the management takes down millions in options, bonuses and perks, the widow and orphan grabs their eight cents a share and risk losing the stock value while the company is bailed out. Yes, slick fucking deal.

bounty44 -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/16/2017 5:28:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Why do you communists think that the government deserves our money anyway, is it just that you hate people who are more successful that you so much that you want the government to hurt them this is not a perfect fit but when I read it, I thought of so many of the collectivists here and their love for government. im reading "the pink triangle: the Nazi war against homosexuals" and im in the chapter on Himmler where I read this: "Himmler worshipped authority." that's how I see the lefties...

mnottertail -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/16/2017 5:38:57 PM)
I see nutsuckers as factless felchgobblers, and dont have to read it from any of your toiletlicking.

Termyn8or -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/16/2017 5:46:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail es as the management takes down millions in options, bonuses and perks, the widow and orphan grabs their eight cents a share and risk losing the stock value while the company is bailed out. Yes, slick fucking deal. Now I am seriously worried because that made some sense. T^T

Aylee -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/16/2017 5:47:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Which cabinet post does he hold again? Fucking idiot. And the only reason Dems oppose pipelines, is to bolster Warren Buffet's railroad stock. The much more environmentally risky alternative, to the oil pipelines Your Dear Leaders are always sucking that billionaire teat, while you useful idiots are paid a mere pittance to riot and protest and blog in order to further their vast fortunes Face facts, you were born to serve the 1% I disagree. I think the pipeline vs railroad for environmental reasons is a six-one-way vs half-a-dozen the other. Now, infrastructure-wise, the new pipelines are a much better idea, especially with the improvements that have been made. Let's face it, the railroads and railroad cars have not been maintained and the US infrastructure is in terrible shape.

BoscoX -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/16/2017 5:52:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail es as the management takes down millions in options, bonuses and perks, the widow and orphan grabs their eight cents a share and risk losing the stock value while the company is bailed out. Yes, slick fucking deal. Now I am seriously worried because that made some sense. T^T I know the feeling, Mr Rogers made some sense to me in a post the other day Scary shit, a twilight zone moment when that happens [image]https://media.giphy.com/media/QFWZPy5P6a2kM/giphy.gif[/image]

Termyn8or -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/16/2017 5:58:06 PM)
quote: The USA is a net exporter of oil Yes, and could have been for many years including the 12970s when it was all the big deal. But they played it. And now they are playing a different game to punish Russia. Fuck the US government, they don't need them. They just crank up production to lower oil profits for Gazprom or whoever is running the shit itn Russia now. But they do not understand that in this economic environment that Russia is getting more rubles for each barrel because of the depressed value, but as an exporter the ruble will rise in value and they will be much better off in the end. Andthey have the time, the state of California has more debt. Russians have jobs and are doing quite well. And while anything imported there seems more expensive, anything exported works to their advantage. Western rulers who spend out ecology with fracking to hurt Russia do not realize the longer term consequences of their actions because they have had too much Keynes. If I could go back in history and kill one motherfucker that would be him. He fucked this world up more than any tyrant ever could. He fucked this world up more than the US has and that is saying something. He was wrong, and is wrong, and every asshole with learning from him is wrong. His idea is NOT SUSTAINABLE. That means it dies. You do not want to die, therefore you mnust take a course that is sustainable. If you do not understand that you have had too much schooling and not enough education. T^T

MrRodgers -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/16/2017 6:20:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: now why wans't gasoline dirt cheap ? Because these MFs said "Well we can still get those prices on the open market, so fuck you". T^T The US was no.1 has fallen to the world's no 3 exporter of gasoline. That's how you can keep domestic prices up...reduce supply. Prices recently still fell because of a lack of demand but have since come back up as oil has come back up. Now of course, the US imports over 30% of its crude oil at about 9 million bbls.+/day while exporting what will soon be 1 million bbls./day. So the US petroleum industry is free to manipulate supply and prices...all they want. And oh yes, I do envy the rich and very much so. I envy how it is the rich that get a face to face, private discussion of issues with MY representative in govt.. I envy how they can buy and sell things such as real estate, stocks and bonds etc. hold them for 1 year in long term [sic] income called 'capital gains' whatever they are...and pay about 1/2 the tax rate I do if I pay the highest 1040 income tax rate...NOT called capital gains...whatever that is. I envy the rich for the equally rich associations they form and with that 'richness' invest on K St. in NW Wash and get often $30 in govt. favors for every $1 I invest. Oh yes, I envy the rich because they have lots of money and enough to buy all of the above, use that wealth and the extra 20% of 'gains' that isn't taxed to reinvest which makes them exponentially richer yet which they can again multiply even further. Oh yes, I envy the rich and for many very obvious reason to envy them. Shall I go on ? Do you need more ? The USA is a net exporter of oil https://energy.gov/maps/us-crude-oil-production-surpasses-net-imports And low capital gains taxes helps everyone who profits from investments, not just the "evil hated" successful class. Why do you communists think that the government deserves our money anyway, is it just that you hate people who are more successful that you so much that you want the government to hurt them When there is more money in the private sector that money gets invested and grows jobs and the economy, and helps everyone When the government steals private sector investment money, it hurts job growth and harms everyone, and the money is very often funneled to crony friends of the ruling class, and kickbacks are the name of the game Move to Venezuela if you hate the successful class that much. Go be with your own kind, where everyone is equal (equally miserable) The USA is a net exporter of oil https://energy.gov/maps/us-crude-oil-production-surpasses-net-imports Come on man, you can do better than this. The US does not export more crude oil that it consumes. It produces more than it imports according to your own link. And low capital gains taxes helps everyone who profits from investments, not just the "evil hated" successful class. Why do you communists think that the government deserves our money anyway, is it just that you hate people who are more successful that you so much that you want the government to hurt them Capital gains is achieved on merely buying and selling things which creates no jobs at all and in fact in the case of buying and selling companies, usually reduces jobs due to layoffs. As usual you resort to name calling when what I wrote has nothing whatever to do with communism. Furthermore, I wrote nothing about who deserves or doesn't...the money earned but the tax rate being half what the highest wage earners pay. (when are you going to do your homework rather than all of these knee-jerk responses that are way off point ? When there is more money in the private sector that money gets invested and grows jobs and the economy, and helps everyone. Putting more income tax back into the economy by taxing ALL income equally and in fact allowing a reduction in 1040 rate tables, would help create more demand, create jobs and help workers much more than a tax brake for only those that can afford such as I described. When the government steals private sector investment money, it hurts job growth and harms everyone, and the money is very often funneled to crony friends of the ruling class, and kickbacks are the name of the game Notice again how taxes are 'stealing' money when of course is another non-sequitur. Exactly another reason to envy the rich as it is they who are the ruling class...the crony capitalist oligarchs who frankly don't give a fuck about 'everyone' or 'job growth.' Move to Venezuela if you hate the successful class that much. Go be with your own kind, where everyone is equal (equally miserable) Never wrote at all that I hate the successful. What I truly dislike for all of the above reasons, especially the tax RATE advantages enjoyed by those who are wealthy enough to enjoy a 20% rate making untold millions while the best earners, pay...almost 40% in fed taxes

MrRodgers -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/16/2017 6:29:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Why do you communists think that the government deserves our money anyway, is it just that you hate people who are more successful that you so much that you want the government to hurt them this is not a perfect fit but when I read it, I thought of so many of the collectivists here and their love for government. im reading "the pink triangle: the Nazi war against homosexuals" and im in the chapter on Himmler where I read this: "Himmler worshipped authority." that's how I see the lefties... Nothing like as Tocqueville wrote and as could be applied to the right of today, nobody worships power and [money] like they do. Plus as usual...a non-sequitur. What I wrote has nothing to do with Nazism or collectivism. But I am sure that since the rich of America get even richer via the Mil. Indust. complex, and they have so much more to lose, they will gladly pay $13 billion for the next $9 billion aircraft carrier. I mean if we don't need collectivism in govt. tax policy, then we don't need any in providing for the defense of their rich asses.

heavyblinker -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/16/2017 9:43:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Why do you communists think that the government deserves our money anyway, is it just that you hate people who are more successful that you so much that you want the government to hurt them this is not a perfect fit but when I read it, I thought of so many of the collectivists here and their love for government. im reading "the pink triangle: the Nazi war against homosexuals" and im in the chapter on Himmler where I read this: "Himmler worshipped authority." that's how I see the lefties... You see lefties like that because your ideological biases, limited knowledge and lack of creativity compel you to see all government as inherently authoritarian.

heavyblinker -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/16/2017 9:50:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Hillarys ME investors stood to profit if the pipeline was not built. Was that why they ga e her millions and millions of dollars? Because she would have thrown a monkey wrench in America's energy works? Plausible. Correlation vs. causation fallacies aside, my point was that if those billionaires don't profit, other billionaires will. BUILDING A PIPELINE IS PROFITABLE TO BILLIONAIRES... JUST NOT THE SAME ONES. The Koch Brothers will make up to $100 billion if the Keystone pipeline is approved, for example. I was saying this as a response to your claim that the left is useful to the 1%. You responded by talking about the Clinton Foundation and investors in the Middle East FOR NO REASON. OBVIOUSLY I KNOW THAT INVESTORS GET DIVIDENDS... I'm not saying I don't understand your argument, I'm saying it isn't a response to my question.

heavyblinker -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/16/2017 9:54:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or You are seriously clueless. INVESTORS GET DIVIDENDS. Do you live on Mars or some shit ? T^T Remember when I said you weren't intelligent? Part of the reason why I know this is because of comments like this. Intelligent people usually understand the arguments they're jumping into!

Termyn8or -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/17/2017 4:34:11 AM)
Well anyone who isn't a liberal could never be intelligent now could they ? Us po stoopit people built half of this shit. Look among thee ranks of those who do something useful, if you can find any in the US anymore that is, and you will find they are not liberal. And when you say we are not intelligent we take that as a compliment. Go to hell with Keynes and all his crackpot ideas, and I mean that with the utmost sincerity. Take that government driven economy with you. You don't seem to even know what you're arguing. In Venezuela, it was socialistic in that they shared, but they shared what comes out of the ground. Other countries do this, it reduces their tax burden and helps support their infrastructure, which includes education in countries that think past the quarterly report. This is something you and I will never see in the US. And as the authoritarian types call Cliven bundy a thief, who owes the government NOTHING, sit in silence as fracking chemicals leech into their water and destroy their kidneys, putting them on dialysis, and say nothing about the laws that prohibit your doctor from even discussing the matter frankly with their patients. I got one thing to say to liberals - apply the same standards. The problem is you got a hundred sets of rules for fifty situations. THAT is stupid. You are totally incapable of insulting me. T^T

heavyblinker -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/17/2017 4:53:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Well anyone who isn't a liberal could never be intelligent now could they ? Us po stoopit people built half of this shit. Look among thee ranks of those who do something useful, if you can find any in the US anymore that is, and you will find they are not liberal. I'm sure it makes you feel better to group yourself in with a lot of productive people, but my comments aren't about your political affiliation, they're about you. Throwing generalizations about liberals at me isn't going to convince me I'm wrong, I promise.

heavyblinker -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/17/2017 4:56:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or You don't seem to even know what you're arguing. In Venezuela, it was socialistic in that they shared, but they shared what comes out of the ground. Other countries do this, it reduces their tax burden and helps support their infrastructure, which includes education in countries that think past the quarterly report. I didn't say Venezuela wasn't socialist, I said that their economic situation is at least partially due to the same protectionism and subsidization of fossil fuels that Trump has now sold to people like you as some sort of dynamic vision for the future. Oh, it's also due to spending money they don't have-- again, exactly like Trump. The difference is that Trump is going to ruin the US economy and the average person isn't going to get shit out of it. He's basically giving welfare to a lot of obsolete factory workers at the expense of everyone else, and you love him for it because you think blue collar Americans who don't want to get a proper education are what makes America great.

mnottertail -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/17/2017 4:57:55 AM)
As we look among the ranks of people who do something useful we will not find termy nor many other of the nutsucker welfare patients.

Termyn8or -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/17/2017 6:00:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or You don't seem to even know what you're arguing. In Venezuela, it was socialistic in that they shared, but they shared what comes out of the ground. Other countries do this, it reduces their tax burden and helps support their infrastructure, which includes education in countries that think past the quarterly report. I didn't say Venezuela wasn't socialist, I said that their economic situation is at least partially due to the same protectionism and subsidization of fossil fuels that Trump has now sold to people like you as some sort of dynamic vision for the future. Oh, it's also due to spending money they don't have-- again, exactly like Trump. The difference is that Trump is going to ruin the US economy and the average person isn't going to get shit out of it. He's basically giving welfare to a lot of obsolete factory workers at the expense of everyone else, and you love him for it because you think blue collar Americans who don't want to get a proper education are what makes America great. You missed the point, maybe on purpose. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/17/2017 6:03:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail As we look among the ranks of people who do something useful we will not find termy nor many other of the nutsucker welfare patients. And YOU are productive ? I can design and build things while you buy peoples Grandmother's earrings for pennies on the dollar and resell them at a fantastic markup. You call that productive ? You don't even know what the fucking word means apparently. GFY. T^T

mnottertail -> RE: 'We Venezuelans are dying of hunger' (2/17/2017 6:07:25 AM)
You dont design and build shit. go natural and eat some carrots for your eyejizz problems. You are a fucking welfare patient. I dont resell my gold you fucking societal leech. Why the fuck should we pay you to sit on your computer and drink yourself into a daily stupor because you are a nutsucker retard?

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