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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 6:09:35 AM   
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Not all academic departments have discernable political leanings. Among professors, less than 20% of whom identify as conservative, liberals are most prominent in the social sciences and humanities. Professors in engineering and business departments are largely split.

Liberal professors by discipline:

Humanities 81%

Social Science 75%

Engineering 51%

Business 49%


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_beliefs_of_academics

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 6:14:38 AM   
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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 7:30:08 AM   
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Actually, 12 out of 36 would put him in the top third.


There have been 43 presidents

43/3=14.3 is one third of 43...obama=12. Twelve is between 1 and 14.3.
43/4=10..75 is one fourth of 43...obama =12. Twelve is not between 1 and 10.75.



Jesus, you are phoquing innumerate.


We now know why you were a p.e. teacher.


Invertebrate zoology, Marine mammal anatomy and physiology, Biology, Microbiology, physical science, Environmental science, marine science and AP physics, liar.
Anyway, it has already been mentioned that the orange buffoon is #45, and I have a feeling that the white haired right winger will be #46 within a coupla years.


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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 7:32:21 AM   
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Ronald Reagan was #9.

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 7:34:41 AM   
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I wouldn't put Obama in the top quarter. I'd have him about average (you must remember that there have been some truly crappy presidents).
I didn't see him as particularly effective. Yes, the economy improved a lot in 8 years but it started so far in the dumper after Dubya that it had nowhere to go but up.
The improvement was slow. I feel that the obstructionism of the GOP had a lot to do with it but a truly effective leader would have been able to deal with it.

How ?

Look what Clinton did.
He also had to deal with a mostly obstructionist GOP but we had 8 years of peace and prosperity.
He was a morally bankrupt fuck but he got things DONE for the good of the country.

By contrast was Carter who was one of the most moral and good men ever to hold the office.
But, as for leadership, he couldn't lead pissants to a picnic.

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 8:03:29 AM   
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Johnson was pretty good at forcing concessions from the Republicans as well, wasn't he?

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 8:10:30 AM   
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its a rare "historian" who is not working outside of academia, which we already know is left learning---and the humanities all the more so.


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were liberals working in liberal colleges?


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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 8:12:19 AM   
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I wouldn't put Obama in the top quarter. I'd have him about average (you must remember that there have been some truly crappy presidents).
I didn't see him as particularly effective. Yes, the economy improved a lot in 8 years but it started so far in the dumper after Dubya that it had nowhere to go but up.
The improvement was slow. I feel that the obstructionism of the GOP had a lot to do with it but a truly effective leader would have been able to deal with it.

How ?

Look what Clinton did.
He also had to deal with a mostly obstructionist GOP but we had 8 years of peace and prosperity.
He was a morally bankrupt fuck but he got things DONE for the good of the country.

By contrast was Carter who was one of the most moral and good men ever to hold the office.
But, as for leadership, he couldn't lead pissants to a picnic.


Any accomplishments while Bubba the rapist was president were because of the GOP, rather than despite of them

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 8:19:11 AM   
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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 8:31:30 AM   
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its a rare "historian" who is not working outside of academia, which we already know is left learning---and the humanities all the more so.


George bancroft was a speech writer and supporeter of lincoln and johnson.
Frerdrick jackson turner is a liberal?
David mccallum was hosted by the heritage foundation
Fawn brodie, a liberal,her work on thomas jefferson has been vindicated by dna.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 8:33:23 AM   
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its a rare "historian" who is not working outside of academia, which we already know is left learning---and the humanities all the more so.


George bancroft was a speech writer and supporeter of lincoln and johnson.
Frerdrick jackson turner is a liberal?
David mccallum was hosted by the heritage foundation
Fawn brodie, a liberal,her work on thomas jefferson has been vindicated by dna.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



If he can't dismiss the whole of academia as a liberal conspiracy, he might have to pretend to pay attention to what it says. Carefully cultivated ignorance is a lot less hassle.

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 8:34:49 AM   
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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 8:35:46 AM   
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Actually, 12 out of 36 would put him in the top third.


There have been 43 presidents

43/3=14.3 is one third of 43...obama=12. Twelve is between 1 and 14.3.
43/4=10..75 is one fourth of 43...obama =12. Twelve is not between 1 and 10.75.



Jesus, you are phoquing innumerate.


We now know why you were a p.e. teacher.


Invertebrate zoology, Marine mammal anatomy and physiology, Biology, Microbiology, physical science, Environmental science, marine science and AP physics, liar.

You also taught lying???oh you mean rhetoric.
Wow all that and you still can't do sums.

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 12:49:04 PM   
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/all-time-best-president-united-states-rankings-235149



Well it's probably too soon to rank him at this point.

Of course, dismissing it as a liberal fantasy doesn't show any acumen.

But I'd love greater insight into how they formulated this list.

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 1:09:40 PM   
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If he can't dismiss the whole of academia as a liberal conspiracy, he might have to pretend to pay attention to what it says. Carefully cultivated ignorance is a lot less hassle.


I keep wondering if it's too hard for them to follow everything, if their political allegiances are so deeply tied to their identities that admitting they're wrong would crush them, or if they just think it's unfair that their opinions aren't as valuable to society as the opinions of those who actually know what they're talking about.

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 3:32:50 PM   
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/all-time-best-president-united-states-rankings-235149


I think time will tell if he is ranked higher or lower. You really have to take a longer view of a President than just while he is in term. Will President Obama's programs and legislation end up being good or bad for the US? Hard to tell, isn't it? Same goes for where he ranks against other Presidents.

The article even mentioned that:
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    The final verdict on Obama's legacy may still take time to truly assess, though, as historical views are admittedly likely to season as time passes.

    "Of course, historians prefer to view the past from a distance, and only time will reveal his legacy," said Medford of Obama.


So, in all reality, this is really nothing more than a puff piece. I expect he'll end up higher on the list as time goes by.

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 3:50:26 PM   
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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 5:07:54 PM   
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I wouldn't put Obama in the top quarter. I'd have him about average (you must remember that there have been some truly crappy presidents).
I didn't see him as particularly effective. Yes, the economy improved a lot in 8 years but it started so far in the dumper after Dubya that it had nowhere to go but up.
The improvement was slow. I feel that the obstructionism of the GOP had a lot to do with it but a truly effective leader would have been able to deal with it.

How ?

Look what Clinton did.
He also had to deal with a mostly obstructionist GOP but we had 8 years of peace and prosperity.
He was a morally bankrupt fuck but he got things DONE for the good of the country.

By contrast was Carter who was one of the most moral and good men ever to hold the office.
But, as for leadership, he couldn't lead pissants to a picnic.

Yet Carter is twice the man Reagan was.

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 5:09:09 PM   
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The curious thing about Carter is that the stuff that the GOP (and, some have suggested, the CIA) were blocking him over has turned out to be entirely correct in hindsight. This was the president who was complaining about American dependency on fuel imports back in '77, after all. Okay, OPEC had engineered an oil crisis to bully concessions out of the rest of the world at the time, so he'd have had to have been pretty dim to miss it, but even so...

Johnson was pretty good at forcing concessions from the Republicans as well, wasn't he?

Johnson had dems in congress.

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 5:12:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I wouldn't put Obama in the top quarter. I'd have him about average (you must remember that there have been some truly crappy presidents).
I didn't see him as particularly effective. Yes, the economy improved a lot in 8 years but it started so far in the dumper after Dubya that it had nowhere to go but up.
The improvement was slow. I feel that the obstructionism of the GOP had a lot to do with it but a truly effective leader would have been able to deal with it.

How ?

Look what Clinton did.
He also had to deal with a mostly obstructionist GOP but we had 8 years of peace and prosperity.
He was a morally bankrupt fuck but he got things DONE for the good of the country.

By contrast was Carter who was one of the most moral and good men ever to hold the office.
But, as for leadership, he couldn't lead pissants to a picnic.


Any accomplishments while Bubba the rapist was president were because of the GOP, rather than despite of them

More RW bullshit, everyone of the repubs in the senate voted against Clinton's first budget and tax bill. Gore had to break a tie. Then the repub house like the impertinent little boys they are...shut down the govt. and the people forced them to work with Clinton.

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