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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/19/2017 5:16:07 PM   
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/all-time-best-president-united-states-rankings-235149


I think time will tell if he is ranked higher or lower. You really have to take a longer view of a President than just while he is in term. Will President Obama's programs and legislation end up being good or bad for the US? Hard to tell, isn't it? Same goes for where he ranks against other Presidents.

The article even mentioned that:
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    The final verdict on Obama's legacy may still take time to truly assess, though, as historical views are admittedly likely to season as time passes.

    "Of course, historians prefer to view the past from a distance, and only time will reveal his legacy," said Medford of Obama.


So, in all reality, this is really nothing more than a puff piece. I expect he'll end up higher on the list as time goes by.

You got it DS although on the face of it being 12 up from his predecessor being 33 or 34 now...isn't bad.

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 4:34:38 AM   
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The curious thing about Carter is that the stuff that the GOP (and, some have suggested, the CIA) were blocking him over has turned out to be entirely correct in hindsight. This was the president who was complaining about American dependency on fuel imports back in '77, after all. Okay, OPEC had engineered an oil crisis to bully concessions out of the rest of the world at the time, so he'd have had to have been pretty dim to miss it, but even so...

Johnson was pretty good at forcing concessions from the Republicans as well, wasn't he?

Johnson had dems in congress.

That's true, but aren't there a couple of stories about him threatening republican senators who were planning to fillibuster with the removal of federal installations that provided employment and revenue in their 'States?

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 4:46:51 AM   
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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 4:59:56 AM   
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You got it DS although on the face of it being 12 up from his predecessor being 33 or 34 now...isn't bad.


Bush 43 had 8 years of hysterics leveled at him while in office and several more afterwards, too. I'm not surprised he's quite a bit further down the list. I also am skeptical that there isn't any bias in the list.


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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 5:47:42 AM   
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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 7:07:52 AM   
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And all of this has implications in the present administration how?

It suggests an approach el presidente might take if the Democrats find their spines and start fillibustering. He's likely to go a lot further than threatening to move an airbase, I'd have thought. Completely suspending all federally funded public services in rebellious states seems the sort of thing he'd do, does it not?

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 7:22:46 AM   
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Alex jones believes trump is one of the top 3....already.


Probably because Trump trusts him more than US intelligence.

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 7:31:57 AM   
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Alex jones believes trump is one of the top 3....already.

Who does he have as the top two? Nixon can't be in there over the gold thing, so Dubya and Ford?

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 7:39:44 AM   
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its quite something....

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 8:54:30 AM   
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its quite something....


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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 1:07:19 PM   
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http://mediamatters.org/video/2017/02/16/alex-jones-trump-already-top-three-presidents-all-time/215372
its quite something....


'You think you'll stop human ascension and God's plan?!'.

This man has more influence over the president of the United States than the CIA.


Didn't big al claim that the cia were the ones who poped a cap on jfk's ass?

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 2:00:45 PM   
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Alex jones believes trump is one of the top 3....already.


Too early to determine that, too.


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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 2:38:29 PM   
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That's true, but aren't there a couple of stories about him threatening republican senators who were planning to fillibuster with the removal of federal installations that provided employment and revenue in their 'States?

That I don't know.

He did work with the Republicans to pass civil rights legislation, since Southern Democrats at that point were, alas, still advocates of Jim Crow.

If memory serves, during the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Johnson gave the first pen to GOP Senate minority leader Everett Dirksen.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/04/what-the-hells-the-presidency-for/358630/

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 2:43:13 PM   
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A differing perspective on LBJ's role in passing civil rights legislation.

https://newrepublic.com/article/116404/lbjs-civil-rights-act-arm-twisting-was-myth

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 5:15:40 PM   
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I wouldn't put Obama in the top quarter. I'd have him about average (you must remember that there have been some truly crappy presidents).
I didn't see him as particularly effective. Yes, the economy improved a lot in 8 years but it started so far in the dumper after Dubya that it had nowhere to go but up.
The improvement was slow. I feel that the obstructionism of the GOP had a lot to do with it but a truly effective leader would have been able to deal with it.

How ?

Look what Clinton did.
He also had to deal with a mostly obstructionist GOP but we had 8 years of peace and prosperity.
He was a morally bankrupt fuck but he got things DONE for the good of the country.

By contrast was Carter who was one of the most moral and good men ever to hold the office.
But, as for leadership, he couldn't lead pissants to a picnic.

Yet Carter is twice the man Reagan was.

I agree. But he wasn't a leader.

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 5:19:11 PM   
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Actually, 12 out of 36 would put him in the top third.


There have been 43 presidents

43/3=14.3 is one third of 43...obama=12. Twelve is between 1 and 14.3.
43/4=10..75 is one fourth of 43...obama =12. Twelve is not between 1 and 10.75.



Jesus, you are phoquing innumerate.


We now know why you were a p.e. teacher.


Invertebrate zoology, Marine mammal anatomy and physiology, Biology, Microbiology, physical science, Environmental science, marine science and AP physics, liar.

You also taught lying???oh you mean rhetoric.
Wow all that and you still can't do sums.

If I ever taught lying, you were a star pupil Mr "Shot in the ass during wartime"

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 5:21:54 PM   
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You got it DS although on the face of it being 12 up from his predecessor being 33 or 34 now...isn't bad.


Bush 43 had 8 years of hysterics leveled at him while in office and several more afterwards, too. I'm not surprised he's quite a bit further down the list. I also am skeptical that there isn't any bias in the list.


Dubya also had 8 years of the economy going from prosperity to the poor house.

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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/20/2017 6:56:09 PM   
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If I ever taught lying, you were a star pupil Mr "Shot in the ass during wartime"


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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/21/2017 6:40:04 AM   
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You got it DS although on the face of it being 12 up from his predecessor being 33 or 34 now...isn't bad.

Bush 43 had 8 years of hysterics leveled at him while in office and several more afterwards, too. I'm not surprised he's quite a bit further down the list. I also am skeptical that there isn't any bias in the list.

Dubya also had 8 years of the economy going from prosperity to the poor house.


Considering he came in to a mini recession from the dotcom bubble burst and 9/11 terrorist attacks in his first year, the economy wasn't going from prosperity to the poor house for 8 years.

The Democrats were in charge of Congress when the shit hit the fan, so that's on them, right?


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RE: Historians rank Obama 12th best president - 2/21/2017 6:51:54 AM   
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You got it DS although on the face of it being 12 up from his predecessor being 33 or 34 now...isn't bad.

Bush 43 had 8 years of hysterics leveled at him while in office and several more afterwards, too. I'm not surprised he's quite a bit further down the list. I also am skeptical that there isn't any bias in the list.

Dubya also had 8 years of the economy going from prosperity to the poor house.


Considering he came in to a mini recession from the dotcom bubble burst and 9/11 terrorist attacks in his first year, the economy wasn't going from prosperity to the poor house for 8 years.

The Democrats were in charge of Congress when the shit hit the fan, so that's on them, right?


The al queda demolition project in 2000 saved his presidential career: do you think he'd have got re-elected if it hadn't been for that?

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