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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Actually, since these companies are making the products outside the US for sale INSIDE the US, a tax on off shore revenues, which is what it amounts to.

Either that, or just eliminate any tax breaks in the corporate tax code for companies with more than a quarter of their production over seas.

Of course their reasoning is that US labor costs too much.

Now, if I remember the accounting course I took to get an associates in business administration prior to forming my own business, labor was an expense.

Now, you pay taxes on profits in a business so....

Profits=Income-expenses

Now, the story is that higher labor equals higher price for the product.

If that is true, please explain why a unit made in an overseas factory with lower labor costs and brought to the states for sale to American consumers costs exactly the same as a product made in the states with higher labor costs?

The truth is that these people are going to charge the higher price on everything and fuck the consumer, contrary to the story they are telling everyone.

Moving jobs overseas had zero to do with keeping the end price down, and everything to do with fucking the American worker.

So it boils down to, we are going to lie about why we moved jobs to Mexico, or China, and charge the same amount as the units made in the US, simply because we dont have to pay taxes on foreign revenues, even if it ends up in American bank accounts, and you poor idiots are so stupid you wont figure it out.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

It hasnt, which is why I say tax the shit out of US companies that move jobs overseas.

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people need to get their shite together and stop sitting on their arses waiting for the government to "do something"

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

It hasnt, which is why I say tax the shit out of US companies that move jobs overseas.

Practically all the jobs that companies want to move offshore are already offshore.. you are closing the barn door after the horses have been long gone outta the barn..

What you and your kids and grandkids should be afraid of are the robots, the automation and AI.. a recent study determined that 45% of the jobs are gonna be gone in 20 years but many (including me) think that is gonna happen a lot faster than that.. what do you think that is gonna do to your country? people are blaming immigrants when no one said boo to all the US factories that replaced humans with machines to make cars, etc.. this is not new but it is now accelerating fast.. they have already tested driverless trucks and also driverless busses, all driving jobs for humans will disappear quickly, and thats just one example.. its not just happening here, its happening worldwide.. people need to get their shite together and stop sitting on their arses waiting for the government to "do something".. jmo..

"In the early 1980’s, 20 million Americans worked in factories, assembling consumer products like cars and appliances.
Well, what happened after that?

And when one worker — with the help of a robot army — can do what used to require 100 workers… well, you don’t need 100 workers anymore. You just need one.

The Changying Precision Technology Company manufactures parts for mobile phones. It has 60 robot arms that work on 10 production lines that run 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Each production line has 3 human workers who monitor the robots.
Before these new robots arrived, the factory needed 650 human workers to be able to operate. Now it just needs 30.
Since this factory laid off 95% of its workers, and handed over the task of manufacturing to the machines, its defect rate has dropped by 400%, and its overall output has nearly tripled.

And keep in mind— we’re not talking about the US, where the humans manufacturing workers earn an average of $20 per hour. We’re talking about China, where the average factory worker makes closer to $2 per hour.
This means that if US-based manufacturers took cost cutting as seriously as they are in China, they could afford to spend 10 times as much money automating away each human worker.
In other words, regardless of which country the manufacturing takes place, it’s just a matter of time before most of its physical “building” part of it will be done by robots."

https://medium.freecodecamp.com/we-cant-bring-back-the-old-manufacturing-jobs-12214a0ab057#.7ufpf3uq5

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

~FR~

The basic question neither asked nor answered here is: What harm has illegal Latino migration done to the American worker that has not been done by the export of manufacturing to Mexico and other nations? Tangentially, is the perceived harm great enough to justify the staggeringly inhumane tactics proposed by the OP? Do you all really think Mexico would not retaliate?

The Bracero program of temporary agricultural workers was done with the cooperation of the Mexican government. Good luck with that

What is the unemployment level for blacks and other POC? What is the unemployment level for those without a HS diploma or college degree? What are the crime levels? Substance abuse levels? Homelessness?

Yes, I would say the harm has been real.

For all of this you blame undocumented immigration from Latin America. However, the unemployment racial gap began in the 1950s. Not at all explained by the entrance of illegals. May have something to do with reaction to Court ordered desegregation of schools in the '50s and civil rights street battles in the '60s. Or, is it your position that biased hiring and layoffs did not exist? Furthermore, How do you correlate the unemployment of college educated blacks with the influx of illiterate farm workers and hotel maids?

My question remains: how has the import of foreign workers been more detrimental than the export of jobs?

I'll wait for your answer.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

It hasnt, which is why I say tax the shit out of US companies that move jobs overseas.

Practically all the jobs that companies want to move offshore are already offshore.. you are closing the barn door after the horses have been long gone outta the barn..

What you and your kids and grandkids should be afraid of are the robots, the automation and AI.. a recent study determined that 45% of the jobs are gonna be gone in 20 years but many (including me) think that is gonna happen a lot faster than that.. what do you think that is gonna do to your country? people are blaming immigrants when no one said boo to all the US factories that replaced humans with machines to make cars, etc.. this is not new but it is now accelerating fast.. they have already tested driverless trucks and also driverless busses, all driving jobs for humans will disappear quickly, and thats just one example.. its not just happening here, its happening worldwide.. people need to get their shite together and stop sitting on their arses waiting for the government to "do something".. jmo..

"In the early 1980’s, 20 million Americans worked in factories, assembling consumer products like cars and appliances.
Well, what happened after that?

And when one worker — with the help of a robot army — can do what used to require 100 workers… well, you don’t need 100 workers anymore. You just need one.

The Changying Precision Technology Company manufactures parts for mobile phones. It has 60 robot arms that work on 10 production lines that run 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Each production line has 3 human workers who monitor the robots.
Before these new robots arrived, the factory needed 650 human workers to be able to operate. Now it just needs 30.
Since this factory laid off 95% of its workers, and handed over the task of manufacturing to the machines, its defect rate has dropped by 400%, and its overall output has nearly tripled.

And keep in mind— we’re not talking about the US, where the humans manufacturing workers earn an average of $20 per hour. We’re talking about China, where the average factory worker makes closer to $2 per hour.
This means that if US-based manufacturers took cost cutting as seriously as they are in China, they could afford to spend 10 times as much money automating away each human worker.
In other words, regardless of which country the manufacturing takes place, it’s just a matter of time before most of its physical “building” part of it will be done by robots."

https://medium.freecodecamp.com/we-cant-bring-back-the-old-manufacturing-jobs-12214a0ab057#.7ufpf3uq5

Speaking of that...

http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/minimum-wage-wendys-unleashes-1000-robots-to-counter-higher-labor-costs

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

It hasnt, which is why I say tax the shit out of US companies that move jobs overseas.

Practically all the jobs that companies want to move offshore are already offshore.. you are closing the barn door after the horses have been long gone outta the barn..

What you and your kids and grandkids should be afraid of are the robots, the automation and AI.. a recent study determined that 45% of the jobs are gonna be gone in 20 years but many (including me) think that is gonna happen a lot faster than that.. what do you think that is gonna do to your country? people are blaming immigrants when no one said boo to all the US factories that replaced humans with machines to make cars, etc.. this is not new but it is now accelerating fast.. they have already tested driverless trucks and also driverless busses, all driving jobs for humans will disappear quickly, and thats just one example.. its not just happening here, its happening worldwide.. people need to get their shite together and stop sitting on their arses waiting for the government to "do something".. jmo..

"In the early 1980’s, 20 million Americans worked in factories, assembling consumer products like cars and appliances.
Well, what happened after that?

And when one worker — with the help of a robot army — can do what used to require 100 workers… well, you don’t need 100 workers anymore. You just need one.

The Changying Precision Technology Company manufactures parts for mobile phones. It has 60 robot arms that work on 10 production lines that run 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Each production line has 3 human workers who monitor the robots.
Before these new robots arrived, the factory needed 650 human workers to be able to operate. Now it just needs 30.
Since this factory laid off 95% of its workers, and handed over the task of manufacturing to the machines, its defect rate has dropped by 400%, and its overall output has nearly tripled.

And keep in mind— we’re not talking about the US, where the humans manufacturing workers earn an average of $20 per hour. We’re talking about China, where the average factory worker makes closer to $2 per hour.
This means that if US-based manufacturers took cost cutting as seriously as they are in China, they could afford to spend 10 times as much money automating away each human worker.
In other words, regardless of which country the manufacturing takes place, it’s just a matter of time before most of its physical “building” part of it will be done by robots."

https://medium.freecodecamp.com/we-cant-bring-back-the-old-manufacturing-jobs-12214a0ab057#.7ufpf3uq5

Speaking of that...

http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/minimum-wage-wendys-unleashes-1000-robots-to-counter-higher-labor-costs

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We started allowing more legal immigration from under-developed countries in 1965. So illegal immigrants and folks we bring in as refugees and give amnesty to and all of that, fighting for the same jobs as our native citizens that are on the lower socio-economic ladder.

Now, we also have H-1B visa abuse going on. That needs to stop as well.

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ORIGINAL: tj444
It doesnt actually matter what the minimum wage is or what they pay their workers, you do realize that these companies, especially the largest ones, they are gonna replace humans with robots regardless.. Wendy's didnt invent these robots, a company did and once one company starts using them, all the other ones will follow & get robots just to compete and maximize profits.. these robots pay for themselves in 2 years, no matter how little a human worker is paid, that is impossible to compete with..
If a cheap labor factory worker paid $2/hr in China can lose his job to a robot, no one is safe if their job can be done by a robot instead.. and robots are getting "smarter", in that they are increasingly able to do more and more complex "work".. which means more and more jobs that used to be safe from automation, now arent.. seriously, 10 years ago, who woulda thunk a bus/truck/car could drive itself thru rush hour traffic???

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ORIGINAL: tj444
It doesnt actually matter what the minimum wage is or what they pay their workers, you do realize that these companies, especially the largest ones, they are gonna replace humans with robots regardless.. Wendy's didnt invent these robots, a company did and once one company starts using them, all the other ones will follow & get robots just to compete and maximize profits.. these robots pay for themselves in 2 years, no matter how little a human worker is paid, that is impossible to compete with..
If a cheap labor factory worker paid $2/hr in China can lose his job to a robot, no one is safe if their job can be done by a robot instead.. and robots are getting "smarter", in that they are increasingly able to do more and more complex "work".. which means more and more jobs that used to be safe from automation, now arent.. seriously, 10 years ago, who woulda thunk a bus/truck/car could drive itself thru rush hour traffic???

Know what else robots do? They do the jobs that are less safe for humans. Robots are easier to replace than a human, and some jobs are better done risking a robot than a human life. They tend to be more accurate, reliable (in production), and offer more repeatable production. Where I work, we could significantly improve our customer scores by replacing the source of the majority of our issues: humans.

People on here argue as if it's a business's job to employ people. That's not the case at all. A business's prime objective is to put out a viable product at a price that both covers their costs plus some, and people are actually willing to buy at that price. It only needs to employ as many people as it determines is best. Why is that so difficult a concept to grasp?

Lib's and Dem's need to put their money where their mouths are, and create businesses to employ people. And, let them pay them whatever they want to pay them, $10/hr, $15/hr, $1B/hr. Whatever.

Gotta wonder why that isn't happening like crazy.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Maybe it will end up that robots do all of the work and instead of printing money, everyone will be given x number of points every week to use instead of money. Maybe the idea of having to 'earn' it will dissipate and it will just be given to everyone... like giving tickets to a kid at an amusement park.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Maybe it will end up that robots do all of the work and instead of printing money, everyone will be given x number of points every week to use instead of money. Maybe the idea of having to 'earn' it will dissipate and it will just be given to everyone... like giving tickets to a kid at an amusement park.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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As far as temporary sterilization? What is your problem with that? What do you think oral contraception is? Depo-Provera? Implantable Rods? IUDs? All of those methods temporarily sterilize a woman.

Would the sterilization be voluntary?

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Maybe it will end up that robots do all of the work and instead of printing money, everyone will be given x number of points every week to use instead of money. Maybe the idea of having to 'earn' it will dissipate and it will just be given to everyone... like giving tickets to a kid at an amusement park.


Why is that a bad thing?

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Maybe it will end up that robots do all of the work and instead of printing money, everyone will be given x number of points every week to use instead of money. Maybe the idea of having to 'earn' it will dissipate and it will just be given to everyone... like giving tickets to a kid at an amusement park.

Maybe rich people will have armies of robot servants while everyone else dies jobless, homeless and alone in the streets.