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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 9:28:01 AM

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Why is it up to Libs & Dems to create businesses to employ people? Isnt that what Trump campaigned on and said he would do, Make America Great Again & all that shite? He won, thats on him now.. Just sayin'..

Because it's the Libs/Dems that are pissing and moaning about ebil corporations not paying people enough and outsourcing jobs, or simply not hiring enough people.

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 9:31:14 AM

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Maybe it will end up that robots do all of the work and instead of printing money, everyone will be given x number of points every week to use instead of money. Maybe the idea of having to 'earn' it will dissipate and it will just be given to everyone... like giving tickets to a kid at an amusement park.

Someone will still have to work, unless the robots are going to maintain themselves. And, there goes innovation, unless you give the robots a damn good AI, at which point, they might end up deciding that humans are entirely unnecessary....

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 9:36:54 AM

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When you come to think of it, money is basically only 'points' or 'credits' under a different name, with the amount you have or own or whatever, printed on pieces of paper. They are a man-made concept and it really doesn't matter what you call them. they come back to the same thing........................the power behind that dollar, credit or point. People are already having their wages paid into their bank accounts and using their bankcards to purchase goods. Some rarely ever handle paper or coin money...........Where is the difference ?

I dont like the term "points", it reminds me of air mile points or various other "point" systems which imo are scams cuz those giving you those "points" change the rules on ya to screw ya.. kwim? I like the term "money" cuz to me that is real, even if its electronically transmitted.. But whether you call it money or call it "points", they have to come from somewhere.. so who is gonna give ya those "points" in the first place? ya know, so ya dont have to live in a cardboard box under a bridge with all those unwashed others..

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 9:59:47 AM

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Why is it up to Libs & Dems to create businesses to employ people? Isnt that what Trump campaigned on and said he would do, Make America Great Again & all that shite? He won, thats on him now.. Just sayin'..

Because it's the Libs/Dems that are pissing and moaning about ebil corporations not paying people enough and outsourcing jobs, or simply not hiring enough people.

so then you are fine with outsourcing and paying people so little that they cant pay for the basics (which is why most people become homeless)? I dont recall people/Libs & Dems complaining about corps not hiring enough people, other than ya can never find a store clerk (etc) when ya need one..

Again, those things are what Trump campaigned on (he condemned outsourcing low wage workers, etc, signed EO about "cheap" HB1 workers, etc) so obviously Rs arent happy about it either cuz they voted for and elected him.. again, its on him now.. he wanted the job, he got it..

Personally, I dont care about outsourced jobs, cuz I grew up with outsourced shite from the US (cuz US corps could produce cheaper than Canadian corps could).. Now the US is seeing the effects of what I grew up with and funny thing, they dont seem to like it much when the shoe is on their foot..

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 10:00:15 AM

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As far as temporary sterilization? What is your problem with that? What do you think oral contraception is? Depo-Provera? Implantable Rods? IUDs? All of those methods temporarily sterilize a woman.

Would the sterilization be voluntary?

I very much get the impression that Aylee wants compulsory sterilisation before entry into the US is granted. Her post wouldn't make any sense at all if the sterilisation she is proposing is voluntary and penalty free. No one would have an issue if a sterilisation program was entirely voluntary and penalty free but clearly Aylee wants to deny entry to the US to those who decline to be sterilised.

It is precisely the draconian nature of compulsory sterilisation that is objectionable and the substance of my objection. Compulsory sterilisation programs, with or without the free and fully informed consent of the person undergoing sterilisation are anathema to anyone who values human rights and freedom. It is unclear whether her proposal would apply to all people entering the USA, or just certain types of people entering at selected entry points.

Anything less than universal application would raise the ugly sceptre of racism. Yet it seems unlikely that Aylee had affluent Europeans or Aussies in mind when she advanced her proposal. In her own words: "I was referring to migrant farm workers for harvests So this would only be directed at Latinos and South Americans which make her proposal racist to its core.

People like Aylee who propose such programs are more than just violating the human rights of those she wishes to subject to her horrifying scheme, they are displaying naked contempt for those human rights.

Yes, I want to reduce the number of anchor babies.

If a bracero or guest worker program is re-started, part of the requirements for a female would be a pregnancy test and injectable birth control If affluent Aussies or Europeans are going to come work under this program, the same thing would apply.

The other solution is that birth on US soil does not confer US citizenship. But you cannot write that change in as a regulation to a program.

Your head must be a strange place to hold the ideas that birth control is horrifying but at the same time abortion is wonderful.

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 10:08:00 AM

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Maybe it will end up that robots do all of the work and instead of printing money, everyone will be given x number of points every week to use instead of money. Maybe the idea of having to 'earn' it will dissipate and it will just be given to everyone... like giving tickets to a kid at an amusement park.

Maybe rich people will have armies of robot servants while everyone else dies jobless, homeless and alone in the streets.

A lot of those robot servants would have to be security guards ....

One of the major reasons why Disraeli, one of the founding fathers of British conservatism, thought that it might be prudent for rich people not to be so greedy as to allow too large a part of the population get too poor and desperate. You can convince a lot of people for a lot of the time that their misery is their own fault - but it's not good to push your luck too far with that line. Rightly or wrongly, a lot of the poor inevitably end up thinking that you're taking the piss, and they get angry about it ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-nation_conservatism
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The really funny thing is that by American standards, Disraeli was practically a Marxist.

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 11:08:59 AM

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The basic question neither asked nor answered here is: What harm has illegal Latino migration done to the American worker that has not been done by the export of manufacturing to Mexico and other nations? Tangentially, is the perceived harm great enough to justify the staggeringly inhumane tactics proposed by the OP? Do you all really think Mexico would not retaliate?

The Bracero program of temporary agricultural workers was done with the cooperation of the Mexican government. Good luck with that

What is the unemployment level for blacks and other POC? What is the unemployment level for those without a HS diploma or college degree? What are the crime levels? Substance abuse levels? Homelessness?

Yes, I would say the harm has been real.

For all of this you blame undocumented immigration from Latin America. However, the unemployment racial gap began in the 1950s. Not at all explained by the entrance of illegals. May have something to do with reaction to Court ordered desegregation of schools in the '50s and civil rights street battles in the '60s. Or, is it your position that biased hiring and layoffs did not exist? Furthermore, How do you correlate the unemployment of college educated blacks with the influx of illiterate farm workers and hotel maids?

My question remains: how has the import of foreign workers been more detrimental than the export of jobs?

I'll wait for your answer.

We started allowing more legal immigration from under-developed countries in 1965. So illegal immigrants and folks we bring in as refugees and give amnesty to and all of that, fighting for the same jobs as our native citizens that are on the lower socio-economic ladder.

Now, we also have H-1B visa abuse going on. That needs to stop as well.

Do you even know how H-1B visa abuse is done ?

They take WORD FOR WORD out of their resumes' and then make the requirements for employment.

I know how this game is played.

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 11:12:18 AM

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Maybe it will end up that robots do all of the work and instead of printing money, everyone will be given x number of points every week to use instead of money. Maybe the idea of having to 'earn' it will dissipate and it will just be given to everyone... like giving tickets to a kid at an amusement park.

Maybe rich people will have armies of robot servants while everyone else dies jobless, homeless and alone in the streets.

A lot of those robot servants would have to be security guards ....

One of the major reasons why Disraeli, one of the founding fathers of British conservatism, thought that it might be prudent for rich people not to be so greedy as to allow too large a part of the population get too poor and desperate. You can convince a lot of people for a lot of the time that their misery is their own fault - but it's not good to push your luck too far with that line. Rightly or wrongly, a lot of the poor inevitably end up thinking that you're taking the piss, and they get angry about it ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-nation_conservatism
(Just in case some aren't familiar.)

The really funny thing is that by American standards, Disraeli was practically a Marxist.

But like Hipshooter McCain, he married into his money. There is something about the smell of old money and old pussy...

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 11:15:52 AM

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"Isnt that what Trump campaigned on and said he would do, Make America Great Again & all that shite? He won, thats on him now.. "

Yuppers. And Obama promised change.

You can trust any of them you want.

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 12:19:49 PM

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"Isnt that what Trump campaigned on and said he would do, Make America Great Again & all that shite? He won, thats on him now.. "

Yuppers. And Obama promised change.

You can trust any of them you want.

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well,.. I didnt vote for either of them, now did I???

I have said all along that every US politician needs to be taken out with the trash.. None of them can be trusted, they are all on some/several corps' payroll..

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 1:33:59 PM

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I am all for the native Americans footing you complete bawsacks out of your country

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 1:45:41 PM

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That is indeed the logical end point to all this "send anyone who isn't an native" home stuff.

Mind you, plenty of people think the UK doesn't need immigrants either, but then if you don't participate in the international market for healthcare professionals, you end up without.

I always reckon that if you don't want to be cared for by someone who isn't born in the UK, you can go to the back of the queue or find a hospital staffed entirely by people who were born in the UK. Good luck with that one.

Why are there serious moves in the UK to protect the rights of EU citizens after Brexit? Oh yes, I know. It's because we need them and they contribute more in taxes to the UK economy than the average citizen.

Bloody immigrants, coming over here, helping us solve our skill gaps, paying their taxes, contributing to our economy.

It's about time someone did something about it!

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 2:10:01 PM

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Nothing wrong with immigrants. We are talking ILLEGAL immigrants, with criminal records. They must go.

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 2:10:39 PM

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I think 20 000BP verses 400 years is clarity - I would accept no aericashire jackals back and would employ a big stick upon them all

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 2:54:59 PM

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For instance, some terrorist group executes an American citizen, how about the entire strike force of B52's pull round the clock carpet bombing on the area where it happened for 4 days. Granted the innocent will die along with the guilty, but then the innocents may grow a set and take out the assholes bringing down the hell on their heads.

That's a self contradictory statement. Four days of bombing Dick Cheney's neighborhood would be both taking out the asshole who brought down the hell on their heads and executing an American citizen.

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 2:59:04 PM

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Why is it up to Libs & Dems to create businesses to employ people? Isnt that what Trump campaigned on and said he would do, Make America Great Again & all that shite? He won, thats on him now.. Just sayin'..

Because it's the Libs/Dems that are pissing and moaning about ebil corporations not paying people enough and outsourcing jobs, or simply not hiring enough people.

Really. Then what's all this GOP/Trump hoopla about creating jobs?

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 6:59:35 PM

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The other solution is that birth on US soil does not confer US citizenship. But you cannot write that change in as a regulation to a program.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 7:05:07 PM

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Nothing wrong with immigrants. We are talking ILLEGAL immigrants, with criminal records. They must go.

If the criminal activity occurred in the States the illegal should be jailed and deported on release.

Otherwise, which criminal records are you talking about?

And how many would you estimate? So many that ICE needs an additional 500 or so new storm troopers?

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 7:11:24 PM

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Why is it up to Libs & Dems to create businesses to employ people? Isnt that what Trump campaigned on and said he would do, Make America Great Again & all that shite? He won, thats on him now.. Just sayin'..

Because it's the Libs/Dems that are pissing and moaning about ebil corporations not paying people enough and outsourcing jobs, or simply not hiring enough people.

Really. Then what's all this GOP/Trump hoopla about creating jobs?

Somehow, DS missed the whole economic nationalism of the Trump campaign and early presidency.

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RE: Stupid question - 3/1/2017 7:12:55 PM

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The other solution is that birth on US soil does not confer US citizenship. But you cannot write that change in as a regulation to a program.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

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Nothing wrong with immigrants. We are talking ILLEGAL immigrants, with criminal records. They must go.

If the criminal activity occurred in the States the illegal should be jailed and deported on release.

Otherwise, which criminal records are you talking about?

And how many would you estimate? So many that ICE needs an additional 500 or so new storm troopers?

"storm troopers"?

You quote the law in one post, then show utter contempt for the law in the next...

Batshit insane much

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