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It's not a fine, it's an assessment, just like taxes.

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It's not a fine, it's an assessment, just like taxes.

It's a fucking fine. The people who are paying it ARE calling it a Fine in the US.
Because there are some guys who seriously cannot afford the damn insurance anyway, and choose to pay the fine and have no choice.
It's literally a financial penalty for not buying health insurance.
People want to paint this new plan as evil.

But I say Obamacare wasn't a saintly plan at all.

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Im wondering why medicaid, and medicare and social security is on the table also, but I didnt want a dead topic :)
There is enough distraction from reality as it is.

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Because the republican plan isnt going to do it, not by a long shot

24 million more uninsured by 2026 under GOP plan, CBO says

Health plan would lower deficit by $337 billion, analysis shows
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted the share of uninsured Americans would nearly double a decade from now. There would be 14 million more people without coverage a year after passage, the agency projected.
The report undermines President Trump’s pledge that no Americans would lose coverage under a GOP health-care plan and threatens support from the party’s moderate lawmakers. But Trump budget director Mick Mulvaney called the CBO analysis “just absurd.”

The analysis, released late Monday afternoon by the Congressional Budget Office, predicts that 24 million fewer people would have coverage a decade from now than if the Affordable Care Act remains intact, nearly doubling the share of Americans who are uninsured from 10 percent to 19 percent. The office projects the number of uninsured people would jump 14 million after the first year

But the GOP legislation, which has been speeding through House committees since it was introduced a week ago, would lower the deficit by $337 billion during that time, primarily by lessening spending on Medicaid and government aid for people buying health plans on their own.

The report predicted that premiums would be 15 percent to 20 percent higher in the first year compared with those under the Affordable Care Act but 10 percent lower on average after 2026. By and large, older Americans would pay “substantially” more and younger Americans less.

The 37-page report provides the most tangible evidence to date of the human and fiscal impact of the House GOP’s American Health Care Act. It also undermines President Trump’s pledge that no Americans would lose coverage under a Republican remake of the Affordable Care Act, which was enacted by a Democratic Congress in 2010.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/obamacare-revision-would-reduce-insured-numbers-by-24-million/2017/03/13/ea4c860a-0829-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_cbo-430pm-banner%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.fc7b0ddb2bad

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By and large, older Americans would pay “substantially” more and younger Americans less.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Interesting that the CBO concludes premiums will increase $2500.

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By and large, older Americans would pay “substantially” more and younger Americans less.

I think this is what young Americans want. They are already up to their necks paying their rent/student loans, just starting out in life.

It should be this way, where they got more disposable income to start saving up properly to be able to afford their increased premium in their older years.

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Under Ocare young people could have coverage under their parents' insurance, or they could apply to Medicaid if they were without family. Under Trumpcare Medicaid funds are cut drastically; a big F.U. to the poor and most needy in our social contract.

The universal concept underlying insurance is that everyone must participate, the young and healthy subsidize the sickly, in pensions the workers subsidize the retired, some states mandate auto liability insurance for everyone.

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By and large, older Americans would pay “substantially” more and younger Americans less.

I think this is what young Americans want. They are already up to their necks paying their rent/student loans, just starting out in life.

It should be this way, where they got more disposable income to start saving up properly to be able to afford their increased premium in their older years.

Under Ocare young people could have coverage under their parents' insurance, or they could apply to Medicaid if they were without family. Under Trumpcare Medicaid funds are cut drastically; a big F.U. to the poor and most needy in our social contract.

The universal concept underlying insurance is that everyone must participate, the young and healthy subsidize the sickly, in pensions the workers subsidize the retired, some states mandate auto liability insurance for everyone.

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Because the republican plan isnt going to do it, not by a long shot

24 million more uninsured by 2026 under GOP plan, CBO says

Health plan would lower deficit by $337 billion, analysis shows
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted the share of uninsured Americans would nearly double a decade from now. There would be 14 million more people without coverage a year after passage, the agency projected.
The report undermines President Trump’s pledge that no Americans would lose coverage under a GOP health-care plan and threatens support from the party’s moderate lawmakers. But Trump budget director Mick Mulvaney called the CBO analysis “just absurd.”

The analysis, released late Monday afternoon by the Congressional Budget Office, predicts that 24 million fewer people would have coverage a decade from now than if the Affordable Care Act remains intact, nearly doubling the share of Americans who are uninsured from 10 percent to 19 percent. The office projects the number of uninsured people would jump 14 million after the first year

But the GOP legislation, which has been speeding through House committees since it was introduced a week ago, would lower the deficit by $337 billion during that time, primarily by lessening spending on Medicaid and government aid for people buying health plans on their own.

The report predicted that premiums would be 15 percent to 20 percent higher in the first year compared with those under the Affordable Care Act but 10 percent lower on average after 2026. By and large, older Americans would pay “substantially” more and younger Americans less.

The 37-page report provides the most tangible evidence to date of the human and fiscal impact of the House GOP’s American Health Care Act. It also undermines President Trump’s pledge that no Americans would lose coverage under a Republican remake of the Affordable Care Act, which was enacted by a Democratic Congress in 2010.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/obamacare-revision-would-reduce-insured-numbers-by-24-million/2017/03/13/ea4c860a-0829-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_cbo-430pm-banner%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.fc7b0ddb2bad

"Every family is going to save $2,500.00." - Barack Obama

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Under Ocare young people could have coverage under their parents' insurance, or they could apply to Medicaid if they were without family. Under Trumpcare Medicaid funds are cut drastically; a big F.U. to the poor and most needy in our social contract.

The universal concept underlying insurance is that everyone must participate, the young and healthy subsidize the sickly, in pensions the workers subsidize the retired, some states mandate auto liability insurance for everyone.

Young people until how old precisely?

The problem is that in many ways, Obamacare is not Universal healthcare.

For such concept to work, the whole country needs to be just under ONE insurer. So the pool of money shared is much bigger, and then premiums for everybody can be lowered, and maybe deductibles might no longer be necessary.

What is happening now is, each state has different insurers competing. No wonder so many insurers pulled out and went bust. And premiums keep raising. The slice of the Pie is spread too thinly.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic




Because the republican plan isnt going to do it, not by a long shot

24 million more uninsured by 2026 under GOP plan, CBO says

Health plan would lower deficit by $337 billion, analysis shows
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted the share of uninsured Americans would nearly double a decade from now. There would be 14 million more people without coverage a year after passage, the agency projected.
The report undermines President Trump’s pledge that no Americans would lose coverage under a GOP health-care plan and threatens support from the party’s moderate lawmakers. But Trump budget director Mick Mulvaney called the CBO analysis “just absurd.”

The analysis, released late Monday afternoon by the Congressional Budget Office, predicts that 24 million fewer people would have coverage a decade from now than if the Affordable Care Act remains intact, nearly doubling the share of Americans who are uninsured from 10 percent to 19 percent. The office projects the number of uninsured people would jump 14 million after the first year

But the GOP legislation, which has been speeding through House committees since it was introduced a week ago, would lower the deficit by $337 billion during that time, primarily by lessening spending on Medicaid and government aid for people buying health plans on their own.

The report predicted that premiums would be 15 percent to 20 percent higher in the first year compared with those under the Affordable Care Act but 10 percent lower on average after 2026. By and large, older Americans would pay “substantially” more and younger Americans less.

The 37-page report provides the most tangible evidence to date of the human and fiscal impact of the House GOP’s American Health Care Act. It also undermines President Trump’s pledge that no Americans would lose coverage under a Republican remake of the Affordable Care Act, which was enacted by a Democratic Congress in 2010.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/obamacare-revision-would-reduce-insured-numbers-by-24-million/2017/03/13/ea4c860a-0829-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_cbo-430pm-banner%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.fc7b0ddb2bad

"Every family is going to save $2,500.00." - Barack Obama

Youve only got one deflection?

How pitiful.

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More proven lies .....sad little troll.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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More proven lies .....sad little troll.

I am happy, very happy - my party has all the power.

And I am also telling it exactly like it is. Why do you think the Democrats have lost so many seats in local and national elections, lost everything

Because of "the Russians?"

Because they loved the Democrat's record of honesty?