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Obamacare was based on the lie that if you have insurance, you have health care. If that logic held true' my car insurance would be covering oil changes and worn out parts as well as accident damage.

The problem is that the charges for health care have been on a runaway upward spiral for decades. We don't need more insurance; we need legislation forbidding health insurance companies from owning health care providers. As it is, we have a captive monopoly that is just going to bleed the populace until dead.

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I'm not fond of Democrats these days either, but the GOP lost seats in both the House and Senate, so not true at the national level.

The GOP did well on governorships.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Obamacare was based on the lie that if you have insurance, you have health care. If that logic held true' my car insurance would be covering oil changes and worn out parts as well as accident damage.

The problem is that the charges for health care have been on a runaway upward spiral for decades. We don't need more insurance; we need legislation forbidding health insurance companies from owning health care providers. As it is, we have a captive monopoly that is just going to bleed the populace until dead.

There is much truth in this. The US suffers with an expensive healthcare system which doesn't cover the whole population.

If you doubt that people pay more for healthcare in the US because there is a perverse feedback loop between the insurance companies and the healthcare providers which leads to people being ripped off, just look at countries with proper universal healthcare.

The UK NHS pays less for drugs, is a fraction of the cost per head of population compared to the US system and it is truly universal. People can top up and buy private insurance if they want faster access for non-emergency care, better hotel services or more time with their consultants.

The point is that a universal system, combined with strong regulation, can be much cheaper than the US system. Healthcare is one of those economic areas where there are issues of public and private goods so market is skewed and doesn't provide services cost effectively. A truly universal regulated system isn't too expensive for the US - it's the only way to increase social utility and reduce costs which was presumably Trump's actual aim.

Trump's promise on health however was planned poorly in haste and it appears it will not meet its own agenda. Either this is administrative incompetence or Trump saying what people want to hear and implementing what is expedient.

Either way it's a fail.

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and still you are evading the point.
keep spinning tho, the investigation isnt simply AG info now...trump may put in some one who can quash it, but its got other agencies involved. its not going away.
you seem to be under the illusion, that i think that presidents have never done this before...derp its fairly common knowledge....but you have skimmed your spin masters and your link is badly uninformed ....like you....

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Obamacare was based on the lie that if you have insurance, you have health care.

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The problem is that the charges for health care have been on a runaway upward spiral for decades. We don't need more insurance; we need legislation forbidding health insurance companies from owning health care providers. As it is, we have a captive monopoly that is just going to bleed the populace until dead.

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and still you are evading the point.
keep spinning tho, the investigation isnt simply AG info now...trump may put in some one who can quash it, but its got other agencies involved. its not going away.
you seem to be under the illusion, that i think that presidents have never done this before...derp its fairly common knowledge....but you have skimmed your spin masters and your link is badly uninformed ....like you....

There has to be something to investigate first

You act like he was the only Attorney who was fired, that's just more fake news

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no, im not acting likehe is the only ag that was fired
you ignorant troll, but how come you dont know that there is an investigation or what its about.

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and still you are evading the point.
keep spinning tho, the investigation isnt simply AG info now...trump may put in some one who can quash it, but its got other agencies involved. its not going away.
you seem to be under the illusion, that i think that presidents have never done this before...derp its fairly common knowledge....but you have skimmed your spin masters and your link is badly uninformed ....like you....

There has to be something to investigate first

You act like he was the only Attorney who was fired, that's just more fake news

no, im not acting likehe is the only ag that was fired
you ignorant troll, but how come you dont know that there is an investigation or what its about.

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I think we need some type of hybrid system where the government pays for the hospital facilities and associated operating costs (building maintenance, etc) and insurance is purely for medical expenses.

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no, im not acting likehe is the only ag that was fired
you ignorant troll, but how come you dont know that there is an investigation or what its about.

No one cares about your fake news blogs, your insane Trump hysteria

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Because the republican plan isnt going to do it, not by a long shot

24 million more uninsured by 2026 under GOP plan, CBO says

Health plan would lower deficit by $337 billion, analysis shows
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted the share of uninsured Americans would nearly double a decade from now. There would be 14 million more people without coverage a year after passage, the agency projected.
The report undermines President Trump’s pledge that no Americans would lose coverage under a GOP health-care plan and threatens support from the party’s moderate lawmakers. But Trump budget director Mick Mulvaney called the CBO analysis “just absurd.”

The analysis, released late Monday afternoon by the Congressional Budget Office, predicts that 24 million fewer people would have coverage a decade from now than if the Affordable Care Act remains intact, nearly doubling the share of Americans who are uninsured from 10 percent to 19 percent. The office projects the number of uninsured people would jump 14 million after the first year

But the GOP legislation, which has been speeding through House committees since it was introduced a week ago, would lower the deficit by $337 billion during that time, primarily by lessening spending on Medicaid and government aid for people buying health plans on their own.

The report predicted that premiums would be 15 percent to 20 percent higher in the first year compared with those under the Affordable Care Act but 10 percent lower on average after 2026. By and large, older Americans would pay “substantially” more and younger Americans less.

The 37-page report provides the most tangible evidence to date of the human and fiscal impact of the House GOP’s American Health Care Act. It also undermines President Trump’s pledge that no Americans would lose coverage under a Republican remake of the Affordable Care Act, which was enacted by a Democratic Congress in 2010.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/obamacare-revision-would-reduce-insured-numbers-by-24-million/2017/03/13/ea4c860a-0829-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_cbo-430pm-banner%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.fc7b0ddb2bad

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and still you are evading the point.
keep spinning tho, the investigation isnt simply AG info now...trump may put in some one who can quash it, but its got other agencies involved. its not going away.
you seem to be under the illusion, that i think that presidents have never done this before...derp its fairly common knowledge....but you have skimmed your spin masters and your link is badly uninformed ....like you....

There has to be something to investigate first

You act like he was the only Attorney who was fired, that's just more fake news

no, im not acting likehe is the only ag that was fired
you ignorant troll, but how come you dont know that there is an investigation or what its about.

Lucy... why don't you just worry about your new homeland of Canada losing your freedom of speech, and let us loyal Americans worry about our country.

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Because the republican plan isnt going to do it, not by a long shot

24 million more uninsured by 2026 under GOP plan, CBO says

Health plan would lower deficit by $337 billion, analysis shows
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted the share of uninsured Americans would nearly double a decade from now. There would be 14 million more people without coverage a year after passage, the agency projected.
The report undermines President Trump’s pledge that no Americans would lose coverage under a GOP health-care plan and threatens support from the party’s moderate lawmakers. But Trump budget director Mick Mulvaney called the CBO analysis “just absurd.”

The analysis, released late Monday afternoon by the Congressional Budget Office, predicts that 24 million fewer people would have coverage a decade from now than if the Affordable Care Act remains intact, nearly doubling the share of Americans who are uninsured from 10 percent to 19 percent. The office projects the number of uninsured people would jump 14 million after the first year

But the GOP legislation, which has been speeding through House committees since it was introduced a week ago, would lower the deficit by $337 billion during that time, primarily by lessening spending on Medicaid and government aid for people buying health plans on their own.

The report predicted that premiums would be 15 percent to 20 percent higher in the first year compared with those under the Affordable Care Act but 10 percent lower on average after 2026. By and large, older Americans would pay “substantially” more and younger Americans less.

The 37-page report provides the most tangible evidence to date of the human and fiscal impact of the House GOP’s American Health Care Act. It also undermines President Trump’s pledge that no Americans would lose coverage under a Republican remake of the Affordable Care Act, which was enacted by a Democratic Congress in 2010.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/obamacare-revision-would-reduce-insured-numbers-by-24-million/2017/03/13/ea4c860a-0829-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_cbo-430pm-banner%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.fc7b0ddb2bad

I think (I'm fairly sure) you asked where his promises are.

....s....

Right where he left them....being implemented.

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and still you are evading the point.
keep spinning tho, the investigation isnt simply AG info now...trump may put in some one who can quash it, but its got other agencies involved. its not going away.
you seem to be under the illusion, that i think that presidents have never done this before...derp its fairly common knowledge....but you have skimmed your spin masters and your link is badly uninformed ....like you....

There has to be something to investigate first

You act like he was the only Attorney who was fired, that's just more fake news

no, im not acting likehe is the only ag that was fired
you ignorant troll, but how come you dont know that there is an investigation or what its about.

Lucy... why don't you just worry about your new homeland of Canada losing your freedom of speech, and let us loyal Americans worry about our country.

Ive lived in canada for almost 30 years. hardly new.
why dont you get yourself educated to the point, that you actually know what you are talking about.
loyal, lmao.you are hillaryous.
you have such a narrow opinion of what a real american is.
ps...the more you suggest i mind my own business, the dumber you are.

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I think (I'm fairly sure) you asked where his promises are.

....s....

Right where he left them....being implemented.

healthcare promises.....didnt you *get* the hint from the big picture i posted?
idiot

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Lucy... why don't you just worry about your new homeland of Canada losing your freedom of speech, and let us loyal Americans worry about our country.

Ive lived in canada for almost 30 years. hardly new.
why dont you get yourself educated to the point, that you actually know what you are talking about.
loyal, lmao.you are hillaryous.
you have such a narrow opinion of what a real american is.
ps...the more you suggest i mind my own business, the dumber you are.

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Like i said... mind your own business. Worry about Canada. And let us Americans take care of our own issues.

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healthcare promises.....didnt you *get* the hint from the big picture i posted?
idiot