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vincentML -> War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 9:23:26 AM)

From various news reports:

1. 24 million will lose healthcare as Medicaid is defunded.

2. Urban and rural poor women will lose healthcare as Planned Parenthood is defunded.

3. Trump will sign a resolution requiring drug testing of unemployment insurance recipients.

4. Iowa Congressman, Steve King, promotes a race war between Blacks and Latinos.

5. Regulations are being lifted for coal mine safety inspections.

6. Last year the FCC approved the addition of nine broadband companies to participate in the Lifeline program, which was originally tasked to extend telephone infrastructure to rural communities. The new Trump FCC chairman has dropped the buildout of broadband.

What’s going on here? Are these the unsurprising manifestations of the GOP war upon the poor? Ronald Reagan railed against "welfare queens." Are current day Republicans carrying on the same biases more quietly? Is there something in the drinking fountains of classical liberal, right wing, and free market ideologies that holds the poor to be lower forms of humans who deserve there stations in life?

Your thoughts . . . .







Real0ne -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 9:28:17 AM)

where did you get this from?



Musicmystery -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 9:33:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

From various news reports:

1. 24 million will lose healthcare as Medicaid is defunded.

2. Urban and rural poor women will lose healthcare as Planned Parenthood is defunded.

3. Trump will sign a resolution requiring drug testing of unemployment insurance recipients.

4. Iowa Congressman, Steve King, promotes a race war between Blacks and Latinos.

5. Regulations are being lifted for coal mine safety inspections.

6. Last year the FCC approved the addition of nine broadband companies to participate in the Lifeline program, which was originally tasked to extend telephone infrastructure to rural communities. The new Trump FCC chairman has dropped the buildout of broadband.

What’s going on here? Are these the unsurprising manifestations of the GOP war upon the poor? Ronald Reagan railed against "welfare queens." Are current day Republicans carrying on the same biases more quietly? Is there something in the drinking fountains of classical liberal, right wing, and free market ideologies that holds the poor to be lower forms of humans who deserve there stations in life?

Your thoughts . . . .






Ryan has been trying to defund Medicare/Medicaid since before his VP run. It's among the reasons Romney/Ryan lost.

Now he sees his chance.



WickedsDesire -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 9:35:44 AM)

from the "orange cock womble"

That aside how many got Obama care - as i read 14 million wretches would lose it as opposed to 24 million paupers.

Fuk, lets just dig a shallow grave for those poor scrounging wretches, out of site out of mind and all that malarkey. Dance with I R1 is your favourite tune this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDMlk3kSYg



tamaka -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 9:39:09 AM)

Alot of people 'use' the system to take the easy road their whole life, keep having more kids that they can't afford, live in government housing and let everyone else 'take care' of you. I can understand the desire to curb some of those programs that enable this attitude to continue.



WickedsDesire -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 9:58:34 AM)

By system do you mean the super rich and their feeble tax returns? Feel free to stack up the coinage of the super rich versus pauper of wretch.

An argument of 1/10, or one in 1/100, or 1/1000 plays the system of claiming poverty is no argument at all, now is it.

So we have two systems:
1. Is played
2. The second not so much





tamaka -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 10:04:03 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

By system do you mean the super rich and their feeble tax returns? Feel free to stack up the coinage of the super rich versus pauper of wretch.

An argument of 1/10, or one in 1/100, or 1/1000 plays the system of claiming poverty is no argument at all, now is it.



No, i mean the middle class where a husband and wife both work and they limit themselves to 2 kids because they are responsible and know that's all they can afford and they pay their taxes so that some lazy fat ass can stay home with their 8 kids, all funded by the government, eating cheetos and drinking soda with their food stamp money.



vincentML -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 3:22:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

Alot of people 'use' the system to take the easy road their whole life, keep having more kids that they can't afford, live in government housing and let everyone else 'take care' of you. I can understand the desire to curb some of those programs that enable this attitude to continue.

We heard that same old song in the 1980s (Reagan) and 1990s (Bill Clinton) You, m'dear, are sucking on the tailpipe of some very old and false propaganda. Reagan bitched about welfare queens and Clinton "ended welfare as we knew it." Both inflated their egos and presidencies by bashing the poor. How ironic that Bill Clinton was called "the first black president" when he played the sax on the Arsenio Hall Show. It takes very little to sucker some people.



vincentML -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 3:24:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

By system do you mean the super rich and their feeble tax returns? Feel free to stack up the coinage of the super rich versus pauper of wretch.

An argument of 1/10, or one in 1/100, or 1/1000 plays the system of claiming poverty is no argument at all, now is it.



No, i mean the middle class where a husband and wife both work and they limit themselves to 2 kids because they are responsible and know that's all they can afford and they pay their taxes so that some lazy fat ass can stay home with their 8 kids, all funded by the government, eating cheetos and drinking soda with their food stamp money.


It doesn't happen that way under the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Act. You are wrong, tamaka.



vincentML -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 3:26:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

By system do you mean the super rich and their feeble tax returns? Feel free to stack up the coinage of the super rich versus pauper of wretch.

An argument of 1/10, or one in 1/100, or 1/1000 plays the system of claiming poverty is no argument at all, now is it.

So we have two systems:
1. Is played
2. The second not so much




The wealth gap just keeps on keeping on.



vincentML -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 3:27:26 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

where did you get this from?

As I said, from various news stories. Let google be your guide.



Kirata -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 3:42:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

1. 24 million will lose healthcare as Medicaid is defunded.

[...]

What's going on here?

For now, it looks as if the Republican Congress will end up leaving the structure of Obamacare’s expanded Medicaid program intact and that Tom Price — President Trump’s secretary of health and human services — will use his administrative powers to grant states greater discretion in running their Medicaid programs. ~Washington Post

Since you don't quote any sources, I'll stop there and simply echo your question: "What's going on here?"

K.




Kirata -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 3:48:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML
quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

where did you get this from?

As I said, from various news stories. Let google be your guide.

Yeah, no. I'm sure you're aware that different outlets frame their reporting differently and often leave their readers with different and in some cases opposing impressions. I'd like to see what, precisely, you're relying on for these claims.

K.




Aylee -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 4:16:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

From various news reports:

1. 24 million will lose healthcare as Medicaid is defunded.

2. Urban and rural poor women will lose healthcare as Planned Parenthood is defunded.

3. Trump will sign a resolution requiring drug testing of unemployment insurance recipients.

4. Iowa Congressman, Steve King, promotes a race war between Blacks and Latinos.

5. Regulations are being lifted for coal mine safety inspections.

6. Last year the FCC approved the addition of nine broadband companies to participate in the Lifeline program, which was originally tasked to extend telephone infrastructure to rural communities. The new Trump FCC chairman has dropped the buildout of broadband.

What’s going on here? Are these the unsurprising manifestations of the GOP war upon the poor? Ronald Reagan railed against "welfare queens." Are current day Republicans carrying on the same biases more quietly? Is there something in the drinking fountains of classical liberal, right wing, and free market ideologies that holds the poor to be lower forms of humans who deserve there stations in life?

Your thoughts . . . .







1. I do not think that Medicaid is being defunded. I think they are looking at some sort of block grant thing.

2. Do you actually think rural women have good access to PP? They don't. I do not consider the town I am in to be rural, but it would still take about 90 minutes to drive to the nearest PP. For a pap smear, an abortion, or std testing. And they charge for those or bill your insurance. Now, if I lived in a rural area, the drive would be longer. For less care than I can get at a doctor's office. Now, the county health department that offers all the same services EXCEPT abortion, has a free program for those who income qualify, and is not that far away. Even when I was living at the edge of the county, I would not have had to drive an hour and a half. So, no, I do not buy the premise that PP is necessary for women's health reasons.

3. I have not read anything about that. However, I am not so sure you should receive unemployment if drugs were the reason you were fired. I would need more information on this. If it is the same as the drug testing of welfare recipients, then I would not be for it.

4. There is already a race war between blacks and latinos.

5. What were the regulations designed to do? Were they just intended to make the coal mines go out of business?

6. What have they dropped it in favor of? More cell phone towers? Is it because of monopolies? I would need more information.


I don't think that there is a war against the poor. I do think that the well-intentioned liberal programs for the poor do not work. Along with not working, it is nigh impossible to transition of the programs into a job and home of one's own. Heck, most of the programs will allow you so few assets that you really are not allowed to save money at all. The programs themselves hinder people from improving their lives. It is sad really.




bounty44 -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 5:33:57 PM)

whatever it is, can we lose the %(@&%^ absurd moniker "war" on the poor?



Musicmystery -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 5:35:40 PM)

While we're at it, how about the Death Tax?

Or for that matter, calling the end of temporary tax cuts supposed to sunset "tax increases" as if they were sudden new charges?



MrRodgers -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 5:53:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

Alot of people 'use' the system to take the easy road their whole life, keep having more kids that they can't afford, live in government housing and let everyone else 'take care' of you. I can understand the desire to curb some of those programs that enable this attitude to continue.

Would probably save the cost overruns on one aircraft carrier. ($4 billion on the latest of which is the USS Geo. HW Bush and still undelivered 2 years late) could still fall short of the countless billion$ wasted on the Zumwalt destroyer with its 30 new technologies, out of which...only 1 works.

Now if we include the F-35 fighter, we're talking some major welfare there. $600 billion in overruns over the 10 year lifespan and still counting.

And never mind that section 8 housing is disappearing as fast as every 20 year mortgage can be paid off.



MrRodgers -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 6:03:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

From various news reports:

1. 24 million will lose healthcare as Medicaid is defunded.

2. Urban and rural poor women will lose healthcare as Planned Parenthood is defunded.

3. Trump will sign a resolution requiring drug testing of unemployment insurance recipients.

4. Iowa Congressman, Steve King, promotes a race war between Blacks and Latinos.

5. Regulations are being lifted for coal mine safety inspections.

6. Last year the FCC approved the addition of nine broadband companies to participate in the Lifeline program, which was originally tasked to extend telephone infrastructure to rural communities. The new Trump FCC chairman has dropped the buildout of broadband.

What’s going on here? Are these the unsurprising manifestations of the GOP war upon the poor? Ronald Reagan railed against "welfare queens." Are current day Republicans carrying on the same biases more quietly? Is there something in the drinking fountains of classical liberal, right wing, and free market ideologies that holds the poor to be lower forms of humans who deserve there stations in life?

Your thoughts . . . .







1. I do not think that Medicaid is being defunded. I think they are looking at some sort of block grant thing.

2. Do you actually think rural women have good access to PP? They don't. I do not consider the town I am in to be rural, but it would still take about 90 minutes to drive to the nearest PP. For a pap smear, an abortion, or std testing. And they charge for those or bill your insurance. Now, if I lived in a rural area, the drive would be longer. For less care than I can get at a doctor's office. Now, the county health department that offers all the same services EXCEPT abortion, has a free program for those who income qualify, and is not that far away. Even when I was living at the edge of the county, I would not have had to drive an hour and a half. So, no, I do not buy the premise that PP is necessary for women's health reasons.

3. I have not read anything about that. However, I am not so sure you should receive unemployment if drugs were the reason you were fired. I would need more information on this. If it is the same as the drug testing of welfare recipients, then I would not be for it.

4. There is already a race war between blacks and latinos.

5. What were the regulations designed to do? Were they just intended to make the coal mines go out of business?

6. What have they dropped it in favor of? More cell phone towers? Is it because of monopolies? I would need more information.


I don't think that there is a war against the poor. I do think that the well-intentioned liberal programs for the poor do not work. Along with not working, it is nigh impossible to transition of the programs into a job and home of one's own. Heck, most of the programs will allow you so few assets that you really are not allowed to save money at all. The programs themselves hinder people from improving their lives. It is sad really.



The Cancer Detection Programs: Every Woman Counts provides free clinical breast exams, mammograms, pelvic exams and pap smears for age-eligible women who do not have health insurance and meet the program's income guidelines.

HERE

Many women and men depend on PPH



stef -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 7:16:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

whatever it is, can we lose the %(@&%^ absurd moniker "war" on the poor?

When the alt-reich stops declaring war on subsets of the population, maybe they'll stop getting called out on it.



BoscoX -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/15/2017 7:27:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stef


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

whatever it is, can we lose the %(@&%^ absurd moniker "war" on the poor?

When the alt-reich stops declaring war on subsets of the population, maybe they'll stop getting called out on it.


The alt left loves the poor so much, they've made millions more people poor by fostering dependence on their cash-for-votes "welfare" programs



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