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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 7:05:58 PM   
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A weird way of saying:

A) none or their fears came to pass,
B) yet they bought five times as many guns,
C) and you think OTHER people are the hysterical ones.

That about it?

Not exactly.
A None of the things they were against went through because we stopped them.
Not the same as they didn't come to pass. Had we not effectively fought them they would have all come to pass.
Failing is not the same as not trying , no matter how many times you claim otherwise.
B Obamas's attempts to ban many types of firearms were not the only reason gun sales went up, his promotion of unrest had a lot to do with it. see his support of the rioters in Baltimore for example.
C What I said was the two faced stands of anti gun people first gloating about taking guns away and threatening to take all away if we didn't get in step with their program
followed by denying that the very things they had been fighting for months had never been a threat not because they failed but allegedly because if t didn't pass we shouldn't count it as an attempt.
That is not being hysterical , that is being two faced and dishonest.


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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 7:09:16 PM   
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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 7:27:44 PM   
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I dont remember Obama signing any type of shit like that.


It wasn't for lack of trying. He would have signed that shit given the chance.

Of course, I remember the 50+ times that he introduced that gun repeal..........no, wait that was the nutsuckers on obamacare.
I remember he called for sensible gun laws, NICS on private sales and closing loopholes in gunshow and getting NICS to work, but that was simply rhetoric, he didnt TRY any of it.


He also pushed for banning semi-annual assault weapons whatever those are.

ETA: no one has a problem with tightening up background checks. Gun show loophole is a buzz word for trying to fool people into thinking they don't do background checks at gun shows when in reality the libs want background checks for private sales and exchanges thus opening the back door for registration. I haven't ever heard much in the way of anything sensible concerning guns from Democrats.

Semi auto assault weapons are a work of fiction to scare people in to banning semi automatics.
These things are what pass for "sensible" gun control. And every one of them are aimed , not at criminals, but at legitimate gun owners.


Absolutely, and it's especially absurd considering that less than a fraction of a percent of rifles of any kind of are used out of all crimes committed.

Isn't it funny that during each push for more restrictions on legitimate gun owners we constantly heard about how we were not going to have whichever "toys" anymore and then the same people after the push failed would insist that any fear they were trying to do x,y,or z that they had just tried to do was just paranoia because they hadn't done any of them. They always forget that it wasn't that they didn't try to do these things it was that they failed to do them.

Yeah, like the push by nutsuckers to give guns to the feebleminded (loaded heavily towards nutsuckers that one) and gunrights back to felons (also heavily loaded towards the nutsucker goons and thugs).

And the nutsuckers slobberblogs are the one whipping this asswipe up in the feebleminded population, and as usual pretending that 'they' are doing it.



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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 7:31:40 PM   
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Reagan and Nixon did a lot of gun banning in office.

Jefferson banned guns at the Uni of VA.

So, there is that deal that nutsuckers are gun grabbing permabanners.

But as noted, the article wasnt about them banning guns.



You're going to have to clue me in on the guns Nixon and Reagan banned. I'm aware of the 1986 legislation where a deal was made to loosen restrictions on things like doing paperwork for ammo in exchange for restricting class 3 weapons. It was a bad deal.

I told you about the nutsucker st wrinklemeat ban on machine guns FOPA 1986.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/gun-control-richard-nixon-wished-for-total-handgun-ban-088686 wasnt for lack of trying but he did try.

But why change dicks in the middle of a screw, vote for nixon in 72.the year the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms is created to oversee the regulation of gun sales.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 7:42:42 PM   
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Net: Nothing happened ultimately...and gun sales quintupled.

Noting happened because we stopped it, and only because we stopped it.
Your side kept trying and repeating the lie that because they kept failing that they had no bad intentions.
Obama and company kept telling lies like the one about it being easier for a kid to get an assault weapon than a book. (that one was n LA. the loaf of bread was in the Carolinas)
so there was always coming down the pike.
Your guy thrown one threat after another, the press pretends each one is sure to pass, ten you whine because not only do you not get to grab guns but you push people into getting more of them.
Every time it looks like something may go away people buy more of it. Just like in the 70's wen they limited how much gas you could buy at one time they sold more gas than ever before.
Why can't you get it through you head that there was a threat, just because we beat you every year doesn't mean you weren't trying. And just because we won this time didn't mean we would next year.
Your guys always kept the threat of next year up front so it never went away.
This past year Hillary promised us a supreme court that would say there was no individual right to bear arms and an Australian "buy back" and you want to pretend their was no threat?

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 8:18:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nothing realized. That's the point.

Now guns sales are slipping. Does that mean the threat is gone?

Or does it mean the hysteria has subsided?

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 8:32:24 PM   
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Nothing realized. That's the point.

Now guns sales are slipping. Does that mean the threat is gone?

Or does it mean the hysteria has subsided?

Gun sales are spiking in CA because of their latest anti gun set of laws, called by it's proponents
(and I mean legislators ) gunageden. You want to increase sales of anything make it harder to get.
The fact that your side failed isn't the point, not even remotely. The fact that even while failing stupid laws which only affected the legitimate owner
is the point. The threats never ended. The only way to remove the urgency in firearms purchases is to remove the threat. Trump being president has lessened the threat
but it lives on in places like CA. You are really strange, the basis of your argument is that your attacks on gun rights should be ignored because your side is so incompetent.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 8:40:26 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		I'm just sharing the data. You have no clue as to what "my side" might be.

And you're spinning as fast as you can.

Point: sales jumped 5x
Point: sales fell

Any accounting for reality has to acknowledge that data, or it's bullshit.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 8:59:04 PM   
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I'm just sharing the data. You have no clue as to what "my side" might be.

And you're spinning as fast as you can.

Point: sales jumped 5x
Point: sales fell

Any accounting for reality has to acknowledge that data, or it's bullshit.



People were stocking up because they weren't sure if they would be able to legally purchase a particular gun in the future. Nothing more, nothing less, end of story. You can call that hysteria if you like I don't care. Yeah, sales now with Trump as president have declined. So what?

The good thing is that now there are so many freakin guns in private hands, some sort of ban would be a logistical nightmare.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 9:01:48 PM   
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Nice little rant, but it shows both no reading comprehension and a disregard for data.

Point 1: the theme is that gun buyers buy into the hysteria. Since I didn't buy any guns, apparently I didn't find the lobby frightening.

Point 2: the data is the data. Provide alternate and supported interpretations if you like. Pretending it's not there is just irrational.


It's not entirely hysteria . Clinton tried and almost succeeded banning an entire class of firearms. Obama wanted to take it further.


I assure you there will be no credible citation of either.


I guess you've never heard of the nutsucker Clintons assault weapon ban.

No I havent. there was an assault weapons ban that lasted for 10 years (IN THE LAW that was signed)

I do remember the nutsucker st. wrinklemeat signing a letter begging the nutsuckers to vote for that law, and nutsuckers did vote. I also remember the nutsucker st. wrinklemeat signing an actual permanent ban on new machine guns in 1986.

I dont remember Obama signing any type of shit like that.



Then you have to have forgotten the 22 anti gun EOs Obama signed in Jan 2013.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 9:33:01 PM   
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I'm just sharing the data. You have no clue as to what "my side" might be.

And you're spinning as fast as you can.

Point: sales jumped 5x
Point: sales fell

Any accounting for reality has to acknowledge that data, or it's bullshit.

Right you don't have a side.
You are just siting facts.
And for some reason you can only find facts that show that while the anti gun crowd
constantly attack gun rights their attacks shouldn't count because they are so incompetent
they make the three stooges look brilliant. I am giving you facts and a refusal to see them is BS.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 9:50:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm just sharing the data. You have no clue as to what "my side" might be.

And you're spinning as fast as you can.

Point: sales jumped 5x
Point: sales fell

Any accounting for reality has to acknowledge that data, or it's bullshit.

Right you don't have a side.
You are just siting facts.
And for some reason you can only find facts that show that while the anti gun crowd
constantly attack gun rights their attacks shouldn't count because they are so incompetent
they make the three stooges look brilliant. I am giving you facts and a refusal to see them is BS.


Citing.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 10:22:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm just sharing the data. You have no clue as to what "my side" might be.

And you're spinning as fast as you can.

Point: sales jumped 5x
Point: sales fell

Any accounting for reality has to acknowledge that data, or it's bullshit.

Right you don't have a side.
You are just siting facts.
And for some reason you can only find facts that show that while the anti gun crowd
constantly attack gun rights their attacks shouldn't count because they are so incompetent
they make the three stooges look brilliant. I am giving you facts and a refusal to see them is BS.


Citing.

What do you need to be sited.
His vague claims that gun owners are hysterical with not supporting evidence?
Do you need for me to cite that every time they had an excuse the gun grabbers tried to pass a bunch of anti gun laws that even they said wouldn't have stooped the incident that they claimed was the reason for the
new laws?
Do you want me to cite the well covered lies Obama gave about how easy it was for children to get assault weapons?
Do you want me to cite that Attacks against rights count as attacks even if they are conducted by the Keystone cops?
Or do you want him to explain That an attack against right don't count if they fail.
Do you want a citation that counting failing attacks as a take ignores reality, or do you want a citation that pretending that if it fails then the attacker clearly did want to weakenthat rigt.
Maybe I should give a cite that anytime you try to make something harder to get you increase interest in hoarding that object whatever it is.
Maybe we could use a cite why.

A It is any of his business how many guns other people own and
B Why it is automatically bad.


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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 10:22:38 PM   
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Nice little rant, but it shows both no reading comprehension and a disregard for data.

Point 1: the theme is that gun buyers buy into the hysteria. Since I didn't buy any guns, apparently I didn't find the lobby frightening.

Point 2: the data is the data. Provide alternate and supported interpretations if you like. Pretending it's not there is just irrational.


It's not entirely hysteria . Clinton tried and almost succeeded banning an entire class of firearms. Obama wanted to take it further.


I assure you there will be no credible citation of either.


I guess you've never heard of the nutsucker Clintons assault weapon ban.

No I havent. there was an assault weapons ban that lasted for 10 years (IN THE LAW that was signed)

I do remember the nutsucker st. wrinklemeat signing a letter begging the nutsuckers to vote for that law, and nutsuckers did vote. I also remember the nutsucker st. wrinklemeat signing an actual permanent ban on new machine guns in 1986.

I dont remember Obama signing any type of shit like that.



Then you have to have forgotten the 22 anti gun EOs Obama signed in Jan 2013.


Good one, I forgot about that too.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 10:45:49 PM   
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Funny thing out here in CA a little while back. One reason people have opposed background checks is a concern that the info will be used to create a database of gun owners for future confiscatory legislation. Folks like Muse (just using your approach as an example, not saying you said it) said "nonsense" and "paranoia" and "conspiracy theory."

Along comes a douchebag loser who can't get laid, kills 3people with a knife, another death plus critical injured with a car, then shoots 2. New gun legislation promptly pops up in Sacramento that requires what? That police use the database of gun purchases, when they go out on mental health welfare checks.

Plain and simple. Never trust a liberal.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/3/2017 11:06:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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I'm just sharing the data. You have no clue as to what "my side" might be.

And you're spinning as fast as you can.

Point: sales jumped 5x
Point: sales fell

Any accounting for reality has to acknowledge that data, or it's bullshit.

Right you don't have a side.
You are just siting facts.
And for some reason you can only find facts that show that while the anti gun crowd
constantly attack gun rights their attacks shouldn't count because they are so incompetent
they make the three stooges look brilliant. I am giving you facts and a refusal to see them is BS.


Citing.

What do you need to be sited.
His vague claims that gun owners are hysterical with not supporting evidence?
Do you need for me to cite that every time they had an excuse the gun grabbers tried to pass a bunch of anti gun laws that even they said wouldn't have stooped the incident that they claimed was the reason for the
new laws?
Do you want me to cite the well covered lies Obama gave about how easy it was for children to get assault weapons?
Do you want me to cite that Attacks against rights count as attacks even if they are conducted by the Keystone cops?
Or do you want him to explain That an attack against right don't count if they fail.
Do you want a citation that counting failing attacks as a take ignores reality, or do you want a citation that pretending that if it fails then the attacker clearly did want to weakenthat rigt.
Maybe I should give a cite that anytime you try to make something harder to get you increase interest in hoarding that object whatever it is.
Maybe we could use a cite why.

A It is any of his business how many guns other people own and
B Why it is automatically bad.



I was simply offering a correctly spelled word.

Did you want to cite something?


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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/4/2017 2:58:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm just sharing the data. You have no clue as to what "my side" might be.

And you're spinning as fast as you can.

Point: sales jumped 5x
Point: sales fell

Any accounting for reality has to acknowledge that data, or it's bullshit.

Right you don't have a side.
You are just siting facts.
And for some reason you can only find facts that show that while the anti gun crowd
constantly attack gun rights their attacks shouldn't count because they are so incompetent
they make the three stooges look brilliant. I am giving you facts and a refusal to see them is BS.


Citing.

What do you need to be sited.
His vague claims that gun owners are hysterical with not supporting evidence?
Do you need for me to cite that every time they had an excuse the gun grabbers tried to pass a bunch of anti gun laws that even they said wouldn't have stooped the incident that they claimed was the reason for the
new laws?
Do you want me to cite the well covered lies Obama gave about how easy it was for children to get assault weapons?
Do you want me to cite that Attacks against rights count as attacks even if they are conducted by the Keystone cops?
Or do you want him to explain That an attack against right don't count if they fail.
Do you want a citation that counting failing attacks as a take ignores reality, or do you want a citation that pretending that if it fails then the attacker clearly did want to weakenthat rigt.
Maybe I should give a cite that anytime you try to make something harder to get you increase interest in hoarding that object whatever it is.
Maybe we could use a cite why.

A It is any of his business how many guns other people own and
B Why it is automatically bad.



I was simply offering a correctly spelled word.

Did you want to cite something?



Ok that makes more sense. Not much need for me to cite anything since my claims of actions have been well covered by the press.
Much of it will adoration that either congress "will do something at last" and that Obama was trying do get something do even if he couldn't get what he wanted through Congress.
Other than that I was pointing out that when there appears to be an impending shortage of anything people rush to get it. If you remember the "gas shortages " in the 70's that everyone panicked over.
They limited gas purchases. It turned out that not only did the shortage never reached the pumps, but once they established purchases limits sales actually went up because people would get the max a couple of times a day, and they were using up gas
waiting in line.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/4/2017 4:57:10 AM   
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I shared a FOX News report (are they anti-gun now?) that gun sales are down with Trump in office after quintupling during Obama's term.

YOU decided that's somehow "anti-gun."

I DID later note that the fanatics among gun enthusiasts are prone to bouts of hysteria, which you are currently demonstrating.

The "anti-gun" thing is in your head. You continually and predictably come swooping in to defend what isn't under attack.

But I've said before, and I'll repeat it now, that the "thinking" and reaction of people like you makes we wonder whether the gun-takers are right, that you can't be trusted with firearms.

Meanwhile, out here, my neighbors all own guns, and we all live peacefully. Except for turkeys and deer in season. And woodchucks in the pasture. Others have declared war on the coyotes---and all that has done is increase the fox population...everyone's losing chickens. See fox everyone now.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/4/2017 5:00:03 AM   
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I'm just sharing the data. You have no clue as to what "my side" might be.

And you're spinning as fast as you can.

Point: sales jumped 5x
Point: sales fell

Any accounting for reality has to acknowledge that data, or it's bullshit.



People were stocking up because they weren't sure if they would be able to legally purchase a particular gun in the future. Nothing more, nothing less, end of story. You can call that hysteria if you like I don't care. Yeah, sales now with Trump as president have declined. So what?

The good thing is that now there are so many freakin guns in private hands, some sort of ban would be a logistical nightmare.

Just like the assault weapons ban, if you own a gun of some type they cant take it away, its a ex-post facto thing, yanno the constitutution, the logistical nightmare is already over.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/4/2017 5:04:52 AM   
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Then you have to have forgotten the 22 anti gun EOs Obama signed in Jan 2013.

Citations. You have to have forgotten that people can see the stupid shit you post, is the situation here.

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2013.html
Theres 2013 show them to us. Mistake in year perhaps, 'intellagence' man?

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/obama-subjects.html
you are halfway home, list them for us.

I do remember that you are a factless welfare patient who claims to have been involved in 'intellagence', demonstrate some for us.

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