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ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC

Just something for you electric car advocates to think about. Where does the electricity come from to recharge your car battery? COAL.

Green energy isn't so green now, is it?

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ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC

Just something for you electric car advocates to think about. Where does the electricity come from to recharge your car battery? COAL.

Green energy isn't so green now, is it?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC

Just something for you electric car advocates to think about. Where does the electricity come from to recharge your car battery? COAL.

Green energy isn't so green now, is it?

Heres a clue for you. According to the gov web site,
here are the percentages of each form of electricity production in the US from 2016
Major energy sources and percent shares of U.S. electricity generation at utility-scale facilities in 20161

Natural gas = 33.8%
Coal = 30.4%
Nuclear = 19.7%
Renewables = 14.9%
1.Hydropower = 6.5%
2.Wind = 5.6%
3.Biomass = 1.5%
4.Solar = 0.9%
5.Geothermal = 0.4%
Petroleum = 0.6%
Other gases = 0.3%
Other nonrenewable sources = 0.3%
Pumped storage hydroelectricity = -0.2%4


https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

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ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC

Another problem with solar farms and wind farms..... Solar farms super heat the air above them that cook any birds that fly into the zone. Windmills kill birds when they fly into the blades. What do you suppose PITA will have to say about thaf?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC

Another problem with solar farms and wind farms..... Solar farms super heat the air above them that cook any birds that fly into the zone. Windmills kill birds when they fly into the blades. What do you suppose PITA will have to say about thaf?

Why not just use the newer ones with internal blades?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

80 miles, if chargers were everywhere I went, would be sufficient for all but pleasure trips.

Even then, if a charge took 20-30 minutes, totally worth it.

I know Tesla has a huge new battery facility. Maybe they'll extend it affordably.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: thishereboi


"Battery electric cars — those that run solely on electricity — are the cleanest and least expensive to operate. But they typically get only about 80 miles of driving range on a full charge (Tesla's Model S is the exception, traveling more than 250 miles on a charge, but it typically sells for about $100,000.)"

but maybe they have improved them since then.


Base model tesla model s start at $62,000.
Look on ebay and craigs list to find fully equipped tesla model s in the 50-60 k range.

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ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC

Just something for you electric car advocates to think about. Where does the electricity come from to recharge your car battery? COAL.

Green energy isn't so green now, is it?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you said electricity comes from coal.
you didnt mention the others why?
obfuscation>

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

80 miles, if chargers were everywhere I went, would be sufficient for all but pleasure trips.

Even then, if a charge took 20-30 minutes, totally worth it.

I know Tesla has a huge new battery facility. Maybe they'll extend it affordably.

My dentist says (he bought one of those cars...it's pretty fancy...leather everything) he gets 250 miles+ on a charge (I think his round trip is 70 or so...and I built a charging thing for him at the office...he paid for it...just a simple 110 thing...with his special hookup plug thing.

I think I read the other day that someone (one of the big names...Toyota / FORD...someone) will have a 275 mile charge vehicle for sale in 2018 for under 40 grand.

If you think about it....(if you're actually one of those types that cleans your car regularly/uses armor-all...that kind of thing...I'm not one of those types)...an electric car (but for the batteries)...NEVER gets old...no carbon deposits...no engine to die...just electric brushes that...pretty much never fry....that car will get you 500,000 miles or (a lot) more.

Me...when they have a mini van (sue me) that gets 650 miles on a charge that can be recharged on a 110 in 6 hours....I'm in. I just can't imagine wanting to go a full 12 hours on the road and not being able to....not that I would (often) but...I may want to.

There was a FORD (google it...it's fucking hot) mini van prototype car a few years back....designed on the whatever that trailer was that was all aluminum...tube like...something "stream"....GORGEOUS car.....if they made that thing in a hybrid or electric...I'd be in for 3 of them.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"As of 2016 by far the largest form of grid energy storage on grids is dammed hydroelectricity, with both conventional hydroelectric generation as well as pumped storage."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_energy_storage

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, there is no credible data that concludes oversupply is by coal. In fact, coal plants are retiring and shutting down fairly steadily, with the pollution control costs exceeding the cost and effort to switch to other fuels.

And there is no huge oversupply of electricity, because they can ramp up and throttle down the supply, and supply and demand is pretty well known, since power brokering has existed like forever on the grid.

Standby generators are generally not coal, they take a while to get online, mostly is gas and hydro, for near instant supply.

power brokers (the guys who look at computer screens in their local area and across the nation to determine their next hours needs trying to buy excess low and sell it high, its a pretty interesting day or night.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"As of 2016 by far the largest form of grid energy storage on grids is dammed hydroelectricity, with both conventional hydroelectric generation as well as pumped storage."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_energy_storage

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, there is no credible data that concludes oversupply is by coal. In fact, coal plants are retiring and shutting down fairly steadily, with the pollution control costs exceeding the cost and effort to switch to other fuels.

And there is no huge oversupply of electricity, because they can ramp up and throttle down the supply, and supply and demand is pretty well known, since power brokering has existed like forever on the grid.

Standby generators are generally not coal, they take a while to get online, mostly is gas and hydro, for near instant supply.

power brokers (the guys who look at computer screens in their local area and across the nation to determine their next hours needs trying to buy excess low and sell it high, its a pretty interesting day or night.

Mental patient, since you never would know a credible source, I'll just let you fret on that. I said something, if you think it's not correct, cite something else. (Silly me expecting you to actually cite something relevant. But there ya go.)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"As of 2016 by far the largest form of grid energy storage on grids is dammed hydroelectricity, with both conventional hydroelectric generation as well as pumped storage."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_energy_storage

Oh, and I wasn't talking about stored energy. Down in the basement of every energy company in the U.S. Is a group of people trying to balance their loads. They buy and sell electricity back and forth 24/7. The best source of extra energy is the coal plants. The extra energy mostly used in my area is bought from a coal plant in Montana for instance.