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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 5:02:38 AM   
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Susan.
i also have strange and way out there fantasies.  i'm not sure if it would be healthy for me emotionally to actually do them in real life though.  Some are definitely illegal but not immoral if that makes sense, would be for a shock factor for the vanilla masses.
If there are some fantasies that i truly am interested in, my husDom has discussed ways to safely and slowly see how i will react to them.  Sort of to see if i can enjoy a small aspect of such fantasy and feel good about it after and want to repeat it again and expand on it.
i do have to admit, that many fantasies that i had as an inexperienced newbie, i have been able experience with my Dom's capable hands and guidance.
i guess there are just some things that will always be my little fantasy in my mind though.
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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 5:05:40 AM   
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I have a lot of fantasies I will probably never act out and some that simply aren't possible. A lot of my fondest fantasies include public sex and exhibitionism, so although they could be adapted somewhat, the actual fantasy isn't really possible. Not to mention, and I think this is what you are really asking, I'm not sure I could actually do what I do in the fantasy. In fact, I'm certain I couldn't. Others are very role play oriented, and while some portions of a role play can be recreated, if it requires extremely elaborate setting and costumes I probably wouldn't bother. Some things just don't translate well.

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 7:28:02 AM   
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This is probably another silly question, but this must be my week to ask them, so here goes..

There is that old saying that "the only stupid question is the one unasked".  I think the same could be applied to a lot of what people consider "silly" questions.

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Question: Is in common to have wild and-or dangerous fantasies, not knowing whether, if you got the chance, you'd really want to act on them?
Because for about the past two months, I've had some I consider "wilder" than usual (for me). I am not worried about having them, because I realize they are just thoughts.


I think it is pretty common, especially among those who have a fertile imagination and who also have a deep curiosity about things they are interested in and who bother to try to satisfy that curiosity through research...whether it be reading, watching, discussion, doing, etc....to have fantasies based on their interests.  The deeper the interest, the richer the imagination, the deeper the extent of the research, then the fuller the fantasy.

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**BUT - I Do wonder if this means anything in particular - like whether I actually am wanting to do them? Or, whether they are just related, perhaps, to me expanding my knowledge of bdsm, and therefore my fantasies may have gone up a notch or two, and that doesn't mean they are actual desires of mine, in reality? I've been doing a lot of bdsm related reading, lately - maybe that has something to do with my recent increase in having these thoughts? None of them are near-death related (if anyone is wondering) but, some are pretty "out there" (and I am not a prude, or unimaginative) - and this is a real question.


I am going to do as the others have and stay away from Freudian/Jungian analysis and look at this from the standpoint of you wanting to know what others think, based on their own experiences.
Sure, it could mean that you want to do them, to some extent, for some.  Some may be just as you classified them...fantasy and destined to remain that way.  I've never believed that all fantasies or dreams were necessarily reflective of my desires.  Some are designed by the subconscious to act as a relief valve (e.g.:  tying up the ex...even non-consensually...and just doing everything to her that she liked to a point either just short of her satisfaction or to a point wayyyyyyyyyy beyond her satisfaction.  Picturing an argument in your mind with someone when you know that confrontation is coming in real life and picturing all you'd say and do within the safe boundaries of the fantasy/dream world).
During the summer, when I attend a bunch of hot rod shows, my dreams seem to reflect that.  I dream about what I am working on, seeing it reach conclusion and driving/showing it.  Whenever I talk to a submissive about trying something new, I again read up on it and go over notes I've taken at demos (yes, I hear the snickers out there...~grins~...I take notes at some demos) and start thinking about it and then, like you,  tend to dream/fantasize about it.  Like you, for me the fantasy/dream sometimes goes beyond what I consciously feel capable/wanting/desiring of doing.

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I have no real clue just what my "pain tolerance" is, (compared to anyone else, or what anyone might expect of me, perhaps), as was made evident to me by contemplating the very recent thread by mistoferin, about Newbies claiming to be pain sluts.

Maybe you're thinking I should be able to tell whether I want to do them or not. Maybe so, but, I am not all that experienced (but have some experience: One year w/a Dominant where we met 2-3 times a week and engaged in: Spanking, Belts, Straps, a Whip, low-level Exhibitionism, Begging and Orgasm Denial). Overall, on a 1-10 scale, I asked him once, and he said he'd rate the intensity level of most of what we did at a 2-6, depending on the scenario. Otherwise, I have no basis for comparison, as far as the intensity of these experiences, and his rating scale is related to his own past experience, so there you go, as far as anwering that question...). If that is even pertinent to this question, which it may not be. Heck, I am not sure I could even get somebody to do them with me, ever, or not - and right now, that is not a concern of mine, because I am not really "seeking" now anyway). But, I am wondering if this is a relatively common occurrence, or if it means something else - and if so, what that might be?


Like others here, I think it is a common experience.  As to your experience, you do have some and want more.  That's a sign, along with what you've expressed on other threads, of an ongoing interest in WIITWD, both from the mental and emotional aspects as well as the physical aspect.  Personally, I don't think that we can always distinguish that which we don't want to do from that we do.  As Padriag noted, there are things I do now that I wouldn't have dreamt of doing when I started.  Speaking of Padriag, I think he also made a good point in noting that a dominant has to be willing to be a bit "faster" in his willingness to open up and explore his submissive's fantasies as she just might "outgrow" him if he is not.  The key is to be able to do so and to be the willing guide on his submissive's exploration of these fantasies.  After all, isn't guidance one of those things that dominants say t hey want to do?

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*Do other people frequently think up stuff they know they will probably not ever act on? Or, do they want to find someone to do those things after they think of them? I know it all depends, but is there a general go-by answer to this question? Thanks for any replies.  I am just wondering who else does this, I guess.


I think up things allllllllllll the time that I know I may never act on...either due to circumstance or the person I am with at the time or the likelihood of being able to set up the situation, find the other partner (s), find the space, etc..   Sometimes, a new fantasy comes to life within your head that you find your partner can't get themselves wrapped around.  It may be a case of it being against their hard limits to begin with or it may be a case that they thought they were willing to explore but now that it has been brought out and steps have been taken to start fulfilling it, they discover that they AREN'T all that willing to go there.  It may be that while your partner and you are both willing, other people are not or you can't find a safe or big enough space to accomodate it, etc..  And sometimes, the sadly ironic thing is that you can find someone willing to explore these fantasies and who maybe even has some of the same desires to explore but then find that you are incompatible with that person in other ways that, whether you want them to or not, interfere with being able to get the fantasy/dream carried out.  But...if you are ever-optimistic, you keep looking for ways to work around that or fix those problems between you or begin looking for another that you are more compatible with

Great question Susan...not a silly one at all.

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 7:35:14 AM   
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Creative:Thanks for the extensive reply.

irish: Someday, we will be able to do some of our respective fantasies. I know that day is going to come. For me, it's going to be a few months before I even discuss w/someone, but I know I will be able to tell them, and hopefully, some part of it will happen. Hope the same for you!

Llaintbehavin: thanks for replying.

TN: Yes, some of the ponyplay fantasies involve public use of me, etc., and I am relatively sure that won't ever happen, too.

Thnaks for all of the replies, from all. It is much appreciated.

- Susan 

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 8:12:21 AM   
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I would say 95% of my Sadism and sessions have come from what I call "visions" as you would call them fantasys . I am constantly thinking of new things to do or try. When your having these fantasys Susan it's more then likely your sub concious telling you that you do in fact want to participate in them .
 
we are often told to dream happy thoughts .... unless your getting killed in your dreams its usually a case of you are wanting what your dreaming of ....
 
you should definetly explore the possabilities of fantasy role playing .... it will allow you to grow in your life experiences.
 
 give it a shot <wink> you might like it 

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 8:14:19 AM   
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Thank you, Tamer. I appeciate your reply.


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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 8:16:41 AM   
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the more you learn and experience  the more you have  fodder  for your fantasies .. expanded horizens means  expanded thoughts  *smiles*
as mstrjyx  said ,... we  all grow and expand ...

But I think fantasies are often about the mental and emotional aspects more  than the physical acts ... its about how they make you feel .. how they evoke reactions in your mind that flow into your body ... sometimes they are  pretty spot on to reality .. other times they bare little or no resemblance to the reality we live in

the  totally helpless feeling you spoke of is probably more what the fantasy is about than any specific actions you imagine ....   the images allow your  mind  to access and feed  the emotions that arouse you ...  

Its rare in fantasies  we get leg cramps ...  or  need a drink of water ... or  need to use the bathroom at inapproriate times (outside of water sport play  etc *grins* ) ... but  we dont tend to imagine the totality of the experience .. we tend to only imagine those parts which create  the mood we desire .. its very hard  to fantasise  about the actual phyiscal feel  pain .. but its easy to fantasise

I dont find it all all surprising you could be fantasising  way beyond what you might ever desire to experience... 

how you distinguish between things you might desire  and things  best left as fantasies? ... 

Firstly allow yourself to indulge in the  fantasies ... learn where they take you ..  do they feel comfortable as well as thrilling ..... is it an expression of submission/ vunerability  and desire for control .. in other words  ... the mental and emotional feel of your  desires  ...  or  do you keep coming back to a  similar theme ... a similar way of  expresssing such .. eg bondage ... or say  the illusion of non concentual (such as rape fantasies).. some types of specific activities or styles of interaction

any dominant should enjoy listening to your  fantasies  .. desires ...and  real experiences ... and use them to  help take you where he/she wants to go ...   even if you think you can take more  pain ... no one should go from fantasies to 600 needles and a several hundred cane strokes .... its a  journey not a single destination


some fantasies help us learn what we need and  desire.... some just  give us thrills ...  and  the level of reality of them is  quite low   but  both are yummy


the feeling that is  evoked by the fantasy  can   be acheived without actualy  always going through the  imagined  experience 

*smiles*  I love the  mindf*** of taking a fantasy  of a submissive that is right on the edge of their tolerance  .....getting them into an open and vunerable  state of mind and  body ....... I love  explaining to them exactly how I am going to use them ... whisper it in their ear  whilst i purrrrr .. feel their  reaction   ... learn  from their reactions ..   *smiles* the mixture of desire... thrills .. and even at times a slight rush of fear .... 

I might just leave it  right there  ..... just  the words ....haveing planted  my  image of it within their mind .....let them think it might be about to happen ....  or  I might  take the first steps with them ....  or I might draw them through the complete  experience ...

its about the fine line between what they  are reeady for and what i think is best for them ... and  what I enjoy doing

*warm smile* .... such is always  a  delightful experience...

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 8:38:41 AM   
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Thank you for the beautiful and explanatory reply, Mz Minx.

- Susan

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 9:45:18 AM   
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If I'm truthful........part of me wants the *uncontrolled thoughts* I have, to be realised. BUT......I have experienced enough over time, to know that *a fantasy is a fantasy*...a dream, imagination.

The best situation, in my mind, is to have the security and freedom to be able to *speak and share* those........and never QUITE be sure that they will NOT be actualised....in a way that leaves you amazed but alive and safe.

I have thoughts/fantasies that would be bloody stupid to carry out.....I don't *mean* to think them.....Usually to *make them happen* in a FAR less extreme fashion is amazing enough.

The mind has no limits, but your life and your body does. Real life can be just as frightening /amazing/pleasurable...... even if it's much less extreme than a *fantasy*...... because you are actually PHYSICALLY experiencing it.

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 10:02:07 AM   
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some fantasies are better left untried. I had some major fantasies that we tried and they were either not as great as the imagination would have it, or worse, they were apt to cause some physical problems.

so be careful...I find that any fantasy no matter how extreme, can be safely utilized in your mind, without having to play it out in real life.

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 11:00:16 AM   
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Question: Is in common to have wild and-or dangerous fantasies, not knowing whether, if you got the chance, you'd really want to act on them?

Yes.
Having fantasies simply means that you have fantasies.  There are tons of theories about what fantasies mean, but the reality is that, WHATEVER a fantasy means, it's what you do that matters.  So, explore yourself if you want and figure out what your fantasy means to you- whether it's just "Hey I've got this weird quirk that gets me really hot" or "Hey I was totally abused and now this image allows me to express my fear in a positive and sexual manner thus making me feel more secure in my life" or something completely different.

I have fantasies about forced pregnancies quite often.  I'd never want to actually act on them.  It's quite common for people to fantasize about things they don't want to endure in reality.

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 11:07:34 AM   
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Thanks LA, as uasual, a comprehansive and sensible reply.

Also, to everyone else who has replied - I am really appreciating it because, even though I am extremely (and I think irrevocably) interested in bdsm, some of them were so "out there" I was starting to maybe wonder about myself a little: What kind of person am I, really?

But then again, I am a Catholic. I went to a Catholic all-girls high school, too, complete with the plaid skirt, and saddle shoes, and knee socks school uniform, which I kept - and it still fits, and which I have available for use, when the time comes...hehe.

- Susan

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 11:30:00 AM   
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Susan, don't feel like the Lone Ranger!
I think we all have fantasies like that.
I have acted on one before. My former sub in N.H. kind of pissed me off one time.
I put her over the bed and tied her wrists behind her and inserted a buttplug and vibrator then put a raincoat over her and carried her out to my truck and belted her into the passenger seat and took a ride around town for a half hour or so.
It was "dangerous" because;
1. we were out in public.
2.the truck could have broken down.
3.the Police could have pulled us over and we'd have had some 'splainin to do!
4. there is always the possibility of being involved in an accident.
5. the possibility of vanilla friends seeing us and wanting to talk.

It was very arousing for her for the very same reasons and because she could make all the noise she wanted and no-one could hear her.
I turned on the toys and left them on until we got back to the house.
She was of course very scared at first but told me afterwards,"I couldn't stop cuming!"
Needless to say that wasn't the last time we did that.
A friend of mine told me he did it with his wife and she "loved it!"
I said, "Damn! Why didn't I think of that!" So it wasn't actually "my" idea but it did fulfill some "out in public" fantasies that we both had.
As for pain in my humble opinion, I think all pain should be pleasurable. The best way I've found to guage a sub's level of pain tolerance is by using a cane and starting out very gently and "working my way up." I find it to be a very accurate way to measure a subs tolerance with verbal feedback from her going harder very gently until I reach that platau. "A little more?" "More?"
Once you know a sub's tolerance level there's a lot you can do within that range! And, you can, ever so slightly, push her limit just a tiny bit. I think it's important to push limits too to keep things from becoming routine not that there's anything wrong with routine.
I saw that other Thread you mentioned! lolol. Looks like someone got taken to the woodshed and taught a lesson! (To be a fly on the wall!)
Oh, Pony Training. I've never done that before but I can definately see that it has a lot of potential! That could be fun indoors or out.
I've heard of "Ranches" for Pony Training too. I think there's one in the Upstate area here. The founder of T3WD would know I'm sure.
As usual, great thread! You come up with some wonderfull ideas!

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 11:33:05 AM   
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Thanks for the reassuring reply, popeye.

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 11:38:21 AM   
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quote:

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Thanks LA, as uasual, a comprehansive and sensible reply.

Also, to everyone else who has replied - I am really appreciating it because, even though I am extremely (and I think irrevocably) interested in bdsm, some of them were so "out there" I was starting to maybe wonder about myself a little: What kind of person am I, really?

But then again, I am a Catholic. I went to a Catholic all-girls high school, too, complete with the plaid skirt, and saddle shoes, and knee socks school uniform, which I kept - and it still fits, and which I have available for use, when the time comes...hehe.

- Susan


 LOL.......I'm smiling here at the *school uniform*.......In the UK almost ALL children wear uniform from age 4 yrs until age 16 yrs. There are few schools that have NO uniform and I have to grin when the sprogs are disgruntled about it ( usually around age 13 yrs).

That aside.........Fantasies are just that. Nothing more or less. Vanilla folk have extreme ones too.  You don't HAVE to justify them...what a complete fiasco THAT would be.....lol.

Regards, agirl

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 11:52:13 AM   
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Thank you agirl. I have to tell you that I visited London fore the first time ever in late May - and I just loved it! I would visit again in a minute - it was fantastic. Everyone was so polite and I loved all the sites I saw: Westminster Abbey was my favorite. I also saw the Tower Of London, and the Victoria and Albert Museum (what a gargantuan place), the Red Lion Pub, took a river cruise on the Thames, saw a play, and Harrods (fun) and a lot of other sites. I loved the taxi cabs and the drivers, too! What a great city! 

- Susan  

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 11:54:14 AM   
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Agirl, they do that in Ireland too!
One time when I was in Killarney, Ireland I was out walking and taking pictures early one morning and the kids were on their way to school in their uniforms riding bikes and walking.
There were these three girls walking towards me maybe 10-12 years old and the one in the middle was smoking a ciggarrette.
When they got close to me I said to her; "Hey young lady, aren't you a little young to be smoking ciggarrettes?"
Without even breaking her stride she looked at me and said;
"Piss Off!!!"   lol Those kids are tough!
Susan, you went to Catholic school? Cool!
There's a lot to be said for "Confession" and "Penance".
Sincerely, Father Popeye

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 12:03:50 PM   
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I hope you are talking about them with your Dom. It's amazing how these wicked fellas manage to (safely) make some of our fantasies come true, when the time is right.

Another Susan (smiling about a fantasy that became a reality years after we first talked about it)

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 12:04:12 PM   
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The nuns were always way scarier to me than the priests.
I could actually feel kinda warm and fuzzy around most priests, but the nuns were sometimes cold as ice. Maybe it was just me....but I don't think so.

I will never forget the mid-late 1970's, when the "streaking" phenomenon was in fashion (people running through a yard or public area naked, and then disappearing before they got into trouble with the law)...

Some guys from the boys Catholic high school a few miles away from our school came by one afternoon, and five of them streaked in the back yard area behind my French class. I remember that the nun who taught the class was leaning out the open window, mesmerized, warning us away with her hands, saying: "Don't look girls! Sit down in your seats now!". Meanwhile, she couldn't seem to look away herself ! LOL!

- Susan   

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RE: Do You Always Want to Act On Your Wilder Fantasies? - 7/26/2006 12:11:20 PM   
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Agirl, they do that in Ireland too!
One time when I was in Killarney, Ireland I was out walking and taking pictures early one morning and the kids were on their way to school in their uniforms riding bikes and walking.
There were these three girls walking towards me maybe 10-12 years old and the one in the middle was smoking a ciggarrette.
When they got close to me I said to her; "Hey young lady, aren't you a little young to be smoking ciggarrettes?"
Without even breaking her stride she looked at me and said;
"Piss Off!!!"   lol Those kids are tough!
Susan, you went to Catholic school? Cool!
There's a lot to be said for "Confession" and "Penance".
Sincerely, Father Popeye


Not to mention just how damn cute those uniforms make someone doing "Penance" and "Confession" look 

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