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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/16/2017 9:17:38 PM   
Edwird


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Status: offline 		Is that from a premium VPN-like site or a TOR service?

I'm somewhat new in all this, and just researching.

I was somewhat reluctant re VPN and especially TOR after I learned the latter especially being a red flag for government agencies.

I think I'm going to throw my computer in the trash when I retire.

The last mystery/conspiracy book I read had everybody throwing their computer away every two days and their cell phones away two or three times a day. Not sure if I can afford that.


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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/16/2017 9:43:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwird

Is that from a premium VPN-like site or a TOR service?

Not TOR. A couple of options are hidemyass and foxyproxy.

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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/16/2017 9:59:14 PM   
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All your ISP does is connect your IP address to another IP address and transfers data between the two. If you proxy your activity through something else - all your ISP see's is you attaching to that something and that's it.

Your connection to the proxy is still through your ISP, which still handles all of the traffic between you and the proxy. The proxy only hides you from the websites you visit. A commercial proxy service that provides unlimited bandwidth and an encrypted connection will add about $10/month to your Internet costs.

K.





How about your droid tickling every wifi while you are driving giving anyone a road map where you go.

how about toll boths with cameras that look into your car

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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/16/2017 10:01:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: InfoMan

All your ISP does is connect your IP address to another IP address and transfers data between the two. If you proxy your activity through something else - all your ISP see's is you attaching to that something and that's it.

Your connection to the proxy is still through your ISP, which still handles all of the traffic between you and the proxy. The proxy only hides you from the websites you visit. A commercial proxy service that provides unlimited bandwidth and an encrypted connection will add about $10/month to your Internet costs.

K.




Not to mention that 99% of the population doesn't have the sophistication to set up a VPN. So Congress sold out the 99%. (Which is what they specialize in, after all.)

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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/16/2017 10:17:04 PM   
Real0ne


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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/16/2017 10:24:29 PM   
Kirata


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How about your droid tickling every wifi while you are driving giving anyone a road map where you go.

Speaking of Wifi....

Users who frequently connect from Wifi hotspots have an option too.

See here.

K.




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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/16/2017 10:27:00 PM   
Real0ne


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Status: offline 		how about all the fucking idiots that store everything on google cloud!

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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/16/2017 10:56:40 PM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		Senate Joint Resolution 34 (S.J. Res 34) will repeal an Obama-era FCC privacy rule that barred corporations like Comcast and Time Warner Cable from selling customer’s browsing data without permission.
VPNS will still have that data. They can sell it....
Maybe ISPs will ban traffic on other open ports...leading to VPN servers.
WHy would you trust a VPN? ??its super bad secwet band of bwothers and they are a pool of gentrified humanitarians who wouldnt screw anyone around.
its like trusting an ISP not to put up your rates, cap your bandwidth, throttle traffic, etc etc

Yeah Ive used VPN usually to see british shows and saturday night live.

But to think that the VPNs are champions of your freedom is bullshit.
Anyone that trusts their life to the "cloud"needs a clue

Unless you are tech minded, and know about ports and rules, most people will screw it up.


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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/16/2017 11:03:00 PM   
Edwird


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwird
Is that from a premium VPN-like site or a TOR service?

Not TOR. A couple of options are hidemyass and foxyproxy.
K.


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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Users who frequently connect from Wifi hotspots have an option too.

See here.
K.


Muchas gracias, merci, danke schön, etc..

All that.

Got it saved. And 'thank you' in English too, why not?

I will investigate.




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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/17/2017 4:22:42 AM   
InfoMan


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Your connection to the proxy is still through your ISP, which still handles all of the traffic between you and the proxy. The proxy only hides you from the websites you visit. A commercial proxy service that provides unlimited bandwidth and an encrypted connection will add about $10/month to your Internet costs.

K.




And encryption prevents the ISP from intercepting and reading the data that flows between you and your ISP. In fact, if done well enough, the only thing your ISP can gather is the size of the files that you're transferring and nothing else.

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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/17/2017 4:49:15 AM   
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Not to mention that 99% of the population doesn't have the sophistication to set up a VPN. So Congress sold out the 99%. (Which is what they specialize in, after all.)


sold out what exactly?

Companies like Google, Amazon, Ebay, Valve, Microsoft, Electronic Arts, Apple, Sony, and Samsung all have been collecting your data and selling it to the highest bidder for years now. And they've been doing so legally. In fact, most EULA and TOS contracts for services online often explicitly give them permission to 'track, collect, and distribute information gathered from your system'. There was even a scary legal loophole in the EA's Origin TOS which gave it permission to scan, monitor, and distribute data collected through 'third party peripheral'... which included your Router and anything that connected to it.

The illusion of your privacy being protected because your ISP couldn't sell it was an outright lie.

And the greater irony is that the above companies can actually track you through VPNs, Proxies, and encryption... Something which the average ISP cannot. This is because all an ISP does is track the flow of data between you and the internet. A basic level encryption and 1 layer Proxy makes what you do largely invisible to your ISP, as all it see's is file sizes that are just going between you and a single IP. Mean while Google's different apps can actually see you through 2-3 layers of proxy and track your IP through most VPNs.

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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/17/2017 5:21:40 AM   
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Conservatives are still big on privacy.
Republicans, not so much.


True story.


I think we're missing something here though in the representation---there are indeed republican senators who are conservative or libertarian and very concerned about privacy and yet it seems the vote was almost down party lines.

id love to hear, for instance, rand paul's reasoning.

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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/17/2017 8:23:40 AM   
BoscoX


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Status: online 		This hysterical leftist propaganda nonsense has already been debunked in these threads once

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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/17/2017 8:44:55 AM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		You debunked nothing.
you just think you accomplished something.
You didnt.

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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/17/2017 9:32:58 AM   
Real0ne


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Status: offline 		They can still track where you went, when, and what time, its impossible to to get rid of the trail, and to say they have that information but wont use it as they always say, is a fucking joke of the century.

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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/17/2017 10:12:47 AM   
Kirata


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ORIGINAL: SecondBestBoy

Not to mention that 99% of the population doesn't have the sophistication to set up a VPN. So Congress sold out the 99%. (Which is what they specialize in, after all.)

sold out what exactly?

Well you can block tracking cookies (e.g., Ghostery), and even Flash cookies (see here). Ads are another way of tracking your browsing when you visit sites that use the same ad network. But, there are various ad-blocking add-ons (e.g., AdBlockPlus). And CCleaner will delete any non-Flash cookies that you haven't explicitly set it to save, which helps avoid some of the weaknesses in same-origin policies. Nothing is perfect, of course. But I still think that letting your ISP sell your browsing history is a big step down the wrong road.

K.



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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/17/2017 5:27:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Conservatives are still big on privacy.
Republicans, not so much.


True story.


I think we're missing something here though in the representation---there are indeed republican senators who are conservative or libertarian and very concerned about privacy and yet it seems the vote was almost down party lines.

id love to hear, for instance, rand paul's reasoning.

Conservatives care about ALL the constitution.
A majority of Republicans seem to only care about the second amendment............and lining their pocket.

Don't feel left out Democrats. Most of them only care about amendments 1 and 5...............and lining their pockets.

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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/17/2017 6:10:59 PM   
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id love to hear, for instance, rand paul's reasoning.


Senator Paul appears to be fairly consistent on the side of deregulation, so he most likely took the angle of it being between the business and the consumer. However, this does not take into account the laziness of many modern buyers. They WANT the government to save them the hassle of shopping around to avoid unscrupulous businesses, researching products, reading the fine print, and voting for market success with their wallet. Just look at the success of Google versus DuckDuckGo.

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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/17/2017 6:12:20 PM   
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Conservatives care about ALL the constitution.
A majority of Republicans seem to only care about the second amendment............and lining their pocket.

Don't feel left out Democrats. Most of them only care about amendments 1 and 5...............and lining their pockets.


Yep.
Yep.
Yep.

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RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to... - 4/17/2017 6:35:57 PM   
SecondBestBoy


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

This hysterical leftist propaganda nonsense has already been debunked in these threads once

Here


Oh yeah, that was a real "debunking", BoscoTheClown. Basically: previously only two companies could do this awful thing to Americans, now thanks to my Republican heros, all KINDS of media conglomerates can sell my most private info!!


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