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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 6:08:47 PM   
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I've sat in traffic behind a smoker....he blows out his side window, and damn if it doesn't come into my car, and my windows are shut. I do not have the right to sit in my own car and breathe clean air. 


You were being ironic here, right?  Please say yes.


diesel fumes are bad.

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 6:37:22 PM   
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I've sat in traffic behind a smoker....he blows out his side window, and damn if it doesn't come into my car, and my windows are shut. I do not have the right to sit in my own car and breathe clean air. 


You were being ironic here, right?  Please say yes.


Lol. EnglishDom, unfortunately, I don't think she was.


A little exaggerated, yes, but still making a point.  Look, if I go to a crowded bar where smoking is allowed, I don't sit and bitch about the smoke, because I know I"m going into an environment where smoking is the norm.  And I'm not talking about a major city traffic jam, I know pollutants are there, too.  I'm talking about sitting at a traffic light at a rural intersection, where I choose to live because the air is fresher. There was no 18 wheeler within 10 miles of me, sorry your crystal ball malfunctioned there, and I know what diesel exhaust smells like, thank you.  Sorry that confused you, because when you live in a rural area, three cars sitting at a traffic light is what we call traffic.  I'll try to be more explicit in the future to avoid more confusion.   And yes, I'm a hypocrite now, too, because I drive a car that pollutes the air.  Do ya all feel better now?  Don't burn yourselves patting each other on the back for putting the dumb little girl in her place, yuk yuk yuk.,

Now, try to see the point this time, because there was one, whether you agree with it or not.   I can sit in my car and do nothing to prevent someone else's secondhand smoke from coming through the ventilation system of my car and going into my lungs. THAT'S the point I'm making.  I'm not talking about smoking.  I wasn't saying smokers were bad.  I wasn't complaining about air pollution.  I"m talking about rights and choices, I have no choice, no say in the matter, and my right to clean air is taken away from me.  That you can ride around in your own closed vehicle and STILL be forced to breathe in secondhand smoke, whether you want to or not.  Sorry if my stating that offends the smokers and defenders of smokers.

Have fun discussing me as though I'm not here, boys.  And when you're done, maybe you can go give the nerdy kid a big wedgie. 


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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 6:48:02 PM   
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Amazing she figured out that it was tobacco smoke and not the diesel smoke of the 18 wheeler beside her.

It's hardly amazing.  I can easily tell if someone is smoking in a car ahead of me in traffic even with the windows up.  If you can't tell the difference between cigarette smoke and diesel exhaust, pardon the pun, but you've trashed your olfactory epithelium .

~stef


Yes, you see a cloud of smoke coming out of the car and that tells you that someone is smoking in the car. Do you really believe that even if you get a whiff of the smoke that that is worse for your health than all the car exhaust you are breathing from the cars around you? It is amazing how common sense gets thrown away and emotions take over when this subject comes up.


See, you totally missed the point...I wasn't talking about health, either. 

Your last sentence speaks volumes though.  Right back at ya.

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 6:57:13 PM   
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Although I am a proponent of electric automobiles and mass transit to get from point A to point B, this seems to be one of the primary justifications for smokers to spew additional toxins into my personal space. I will point out that the oil economy has actually contributed to over population also, which is directly responsible for most of the people posting here to even be born or have computers for that matter, yes, your monitor also gives off toxic crap into your environment. Lets talk about industrial pollution and the burning of coal so we can all have electricity too... that certainly causes much air pollution..

These sources of pollution at least have postive outcomes even if I personally think the price is too high for planet Earth. For example because of shipping I am able to buy food at the store, because of diesel the farmer can grow more crops to feed more people, because of coal we have electricity to run oxygen machines for smokers to extend their lives after they have burned up their lungs...On the other hand your second hand smoke had not one positive outcome for ANYONE, except the tobacco companies that profit from the pain and suffering they cause...

So while you ridicule the person that does not want to smell or breath your fumes on the road, at least the other fumes she is breathing have SOME redeemable value.. yours have none

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 7:27:38 PM   
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It's hardly amazing.  I can easily tell if someone is smoking in a car ahead of me in traffic even with the windows up.  If you can't tell the difference between cigarette smoke and diesel exhaust, pardon the pun, but you've trashed your olfactory epithelium .

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So while you ridicule the person that does not want to smell or breath your fumes on the road, at least the other fumes she is breathing have SOME redeemable value.. yours have none


They do you know.  I love smoking.

I'm not having a go at anyone with the stuff below, I'm just describing the whole event to myself to see if it looks any less hilarious than I've imagined it so far.

You're sitting in your car with the windows closed.
The guy in front of you is smoking a cigarette, presumably with his windows down.

The wind is going to have to be blowing back towards you.  There's a four to one chance it's not.

Because your windows are closed, you're presumably saying the smoke is coming in through your radiator grill

Bearing in mind your radiator grill is practically having sex with the guy in front's exhaust pipe what are the logical chances that the guys smoke leaves his car window, travels back towards you, defies the natural law of cigarette smoke to travel upwards, it then develops some kind of abnormal slipstream effect of its own and heads toward your grill, mixes noticably with the fumes from his exhaust, enters your car where you can - using some sensory skill that would make Spiderman blush - distinguish between the smells.

If there were a grassy knoll in this story it would be complete.

I am going home, to the third rock from the sun.  Come visit sometime.  Goodbye, you crazy, wonderful people.

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 7:36:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now, try to see the point this time, because there was one, whether you agree with it or not.   I can sit in my car and do nothing to prevent someone else's secondhand smoke from coming through the ventilation system of my car and going into my lungs. THAT'S the point I'm making.  I'm not talking about smoking.  I wasn't saying smokers were bad.  I wasn't complaining about air pollution.  I"m talking about rights and choices, I have no choice, no say in the matter, and my right to clean air is taken away from me.  That you can ride around in your own closed vehicle and STILL be forced to breathe in secondhand smoke, whether you want to or not.  Sorry if my stating that offends the smokers and defenders of smokers.

And you seriously think that getting that whiff of smoke is doing you harm? I understand not liking the smell. But are we banning things now because we don't like it?

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 7:39:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

fast reply,

Although I am a proponent of electric automobiles and mass transit to get from point A to point B, this seems to be one of the primary justifications for smokers to spew additional toxins into my personal space. I will point out that the oil economy has actually contributed to over population also, which is directly responsible for most of the people posting here to even be born or have computers for that matter, yes, your monitor also gives off toxic crap into your environment. Lets talk about industrial pollution and the burning of coal so we can all have electricity too... that certainly causes much air pollution..

These sources of pollution at least have postive outcomes even if I personally think the price is too high for planet Earth. For example because of shipping I am able to buy food at the store, because of diesel the farmer can grow more crops to feed more people, because of coal we have electricity to run oxygen machines for smokers to extend their lives after they have burned up their lungs...On the other hand your second hand smoke had not one positive outcome for ANYONE, except the tobacco companies that profit from the pain and suffering they cause...

So while you ridicule the person that does not want to smell or breath your fumes on the road, at least the other fumes she is breathing have SOME redeemable value.. yours have none


Now you are changing the parameters. We are talking about harm done to people, not positive uses. The truth is, you see no problem in banning something because you don't like it. At least admit it.

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 7:48:18 PM   
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I wouldn't say that Thomas Jefferson, Albert Einstein, Leonardo Divinci, Winston Church Hill, and so on were dumb motherfuckers. Didn't George Burns the actor who smoked his entire life live to be over 100?

http://www.jusonline.nl/smokers/

If you smoke, go ahead and smoke. If you litter, that makes it a problem for everyone. Using a ciggarett butt causing a fire to encourage anti smoking laws is lame. Smoking didn't cause the fire. Just a unresponsible smoker.   

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 7:55:48 PM   
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Yes, you see a cloud of smoke coming out of the car and that tells you that someone is smoking in the car.

You don't read very well do you?  I don't need to see smoke coming out of a car, I can smell it.  Besides, unless the driver is smoking like a structure fire, I don't think it would be all that easy to spot someone smoking unless they were directly in front of you.

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Do you really believe that even if you get a whiff of the smoke that that is worse for your health than all the car exhaust you are breathing from the cars around you?

Did I ever say anything remotely of the kind?

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It is amazing how common sense gets thrown away and emotions take over when this subject comes up.

It's not all that amazing, but it's a problem on which you clearly need to work.

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 7:55:55 PM   
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What always amazed me was how smokers have the right to smoke, but I don't have the right to breathe clean air. I've sat in traffic behind a smoker....he blows out his side window, and damn if it doesn't come into my car, and my windows are shut. I do not have the right to sit in my own car and breathe clean air. 

One positive thing about NJ, if you're a non-smoker.  Restaurants and public buildings are now all non-smoking.  And they're taxed so heavily now that the name brands are $6 a pack.  Sucks to be a smoker here.


You're stuck in traffic and none of the exhaust of other cars bother you? That's far more smoke and carbon monoxide than any smoker can put out. How is a few puffs on a ciggarett going to get into your car but not any of the exhaust from all the cars infront of you? Something sounds more pychological than actual here to me.

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 8:02:37 PM   
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Yes, you see a cloud of smoke coming out of the car and that tells you that someone is smoking in the car.

You don't read very well do you?  I don't need to see smoke coming out of a car, I can smell it.  Besides, unless the driver is smoking like a structure fire, I don't think it would be all that easy to spot someone smoking unless they were directly in front of you.

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Do you really believe that even if you get a whiff of the smoke that that is worse for your health than all the car exhaust you are breathing from the cars around you?

Did I ever say anything remotely of the kind?

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It is amazing how common sense gets thrown away and emotions take over when this subject comes up.

It's not all that amazing, but it's a problem on which you clearly need to work.

~stef


You can easily spot a smoker, but you seem to have a harder time with sarcasm I guess. And you admit that car exhaust is more harmful than the whiff of smoke, so what is the reason for banning smoking? Because you don't like the smell? Hmm.

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 8:09:22 PM   
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This is nothing to do with tobacco, smoke, or its effect on you.
You just want to bully people into stopping doing something because you don't like it.


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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 8:17:30 PM   
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You can easily spot a smoker, but you seem to have a harder time with sarcasm I guess.

When coming from someone who complains about the "assault on smoking," it can be hard to discern sarcasm from thoughtless rhetoric. 

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And you admit that car exhaust is more harmful than the whiff of smoke, so what is the reason for banning smoking?

I did?  Where did I do that?  Where did I say smoking should banned?

Perhaps you should stop trying to read things into what I said and instead just read what I said.  A novel concept, I know.

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Because you don't like the smell? Hmm.

Because you can't read and are defending a position I'm not attacking? Hmm.

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 8:31:41 PM   
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If you're in a car with your windows closed and the guys smoke is somehow coming in, it's diluting the much more poisonous carbon monoxide gases coming from his exhaust.

So effectively, we're saving your lives.
 
And we do it because we love you.

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 8:34:00 PM   
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Where can we smoke?
I don't smoke in resturants or bars. It's illegal here. I don't smoke in my non smoker friends' homes. I don't smoke in my own home when I have non smokers over. I use my patio. I don't smoke at my non smoking friends homes or on thier property, unless I have permission to use their porch/patio. I don't smoke at work or on the companies property. Against their rules.

Sooooo, I smoke in my car, when I have no non smokers with me and I smoke in my home. And yes, I do smoke outside at resturants and bars. I have more than once been given dirty looks by non smokers who pass by, little digs have been said, parents have used *me* as a poster child of evil, to their children as they pass by. < i am sure it's not me, but any smoker who they can use as an example>
So, tell me, where can we smoke in peace ?

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 8:40:46 PM   
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So, tell me, where can we smoke in peace ?


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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 9:29:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I couldn't begin to count how many times I have read on these forums that we are responsible for our own actions/reactions.  If we allow the actions of others to upset or disturb our world, it is our own choice to be disturbed.  ESPECIALLY when it is something that honestly does not have any effect on us in a personal way.  If a smoker is blowing smoke in your face, then yes, it is effecting you personally.  If a smoker is walking across the street from you and you look at them with disgust or think of them as an affront to your rights, then in my opinion, you need to consider that you are simply creating the disturbance yourself.  The posts here tonight have reminded me of an era in our history when there were 'white' drinking fountains. 
To the OP, If I had been in your shoes, having been as frightened and angry as you must have been, for fearing that everything you had might go up in smoke, I'd have probably said and felt the same way you did and yes, I do smoke..... 'my feeling' is that venting is a healthy outlet with that kind of situation.  For the others.. if you want to be upset about something, I am sure it will be about something else tomorrow.  Go picket a huge, air poluting factory... not the easy target who has a negligible effect on your life.

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 11:32:13 PM   
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The assault starts at noon tomorrow, SG1, you surround the biggest building you can find, SG2, take care of government offices, SG3 do the schools, but do it at let out so to be sure to get their parents.

If they're right, we can, by the careful use of second hand smoke, doom them in a mtter of hours. The time has come. They must go, all non-smokers.

This was part of our plan for a long time, it is in your smoker's manual. Remember, noon tomorrow. That is the annointed hour. Be in position by 1100 hours and we will rid ourselves of the non-smokers. They can leave the country or die. Smoke as much as you can, and if you can't smoke at work, take the day off.

Once they're gone we will take back all the stadiums and other stooopid shit they made us pay for. We will prevail !

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 11:33:05 PM   
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I have a question for the anti smoking group and I am asking this seriously.
Where can we smoke?
I don't smoke in resturants or bars. It's illegal here. I don't smoke in my non smoker friends' homes. I don't smoke in my own home when I have non smokers over. I use my patio. I don't smoke at my non smoking friends homes or on thier property, unless I have permission to use their porch/patio. I don't smoke at work or on the companies property. Against their rules.

Sooooo, I smoke in my car, when I have no non smokers with me and I smoke in my home. And yes, I do smoke outside at resturants and bars. I have more than once been given dirty looks by non smokers who pass by, little digs have been said, parents have used *me* as a poster child of evil, to their children as they pass by. < i am sure it's not me, but any smoker who they can use as an example>
So, tell me, where can we smoke in peace ?

                          mbmbn


The answer to your question is they don't want you to smoke anywhere. The whole point of this antismoking hysteria is to eventually ban smoking. But they will never be honest enough to tell you that. They make up this health argument to justify their view. The truth is they just don't like smoking, and want it banned.

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RE: Second hand smoke? How about second hand fire? - 7/26/2006 11:34:46 PM   
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I couldn't begin to count how many times I have read on these forums that we are responsible for our own actions/reactions.  If we allow the actions of others to upset or disturb our world, it is our own choice to be disturbed.  ESPECIALLY when it is something that honestly does not have any effect on us in a personal way.  If a smoker is blowing smoke in your face, then yes, it is effecting you personally.  If a smoker is walking across the street from you and you look at them with disgust or think of them as an affront to your rights, then in my opinion, you need to consider that you are simply creating the disturbance yourself.  The posts here tonight have reminded me of an era in our history when there were 'white' drinking fountains. 
To the OP, If I had been in your shoes, having been as frightened and angry as you must have been, for fearing that everything you had might go up in smoke, I'd have probably said and felt the same way you did and yes, I do smoke..... 'my feeling' is that venting is a healthy outlet with that kind of situation.  For the others.. if you want to be upset about something, I am sure it will be about something else tomorrow.  Go picket a huge, air poluting factory... not the easy target who has a negligible effect on your life.


Well said Trisha.

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