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Wayward5oul -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 4:08:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul Kids forget things for school every day and borrow or do without for school every day, and don't think a thing about it. They don't have a pencil and have to borrow one. Wrong kind of paper for math class and have to ask the teacher or a friend. Forgot their book for reading hour and look on with a friend. Forgetting things is a part of daily life for them and lunch money is just one of those things, not a major life concern. Adults are the ones that understand that money is different, and adults are the ones that try to turn it into a major deal. When a child forgets a pencil or a book. They don't get stamp on their bodies, 'I forget my pencil", or "I forget my book". And have it announced to the world! There lies the difference. No public humiliation for them. As I stated earlier Greta, you don't have any credibility discussing this issue. Just stop talking.

MercTech -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 4:51:02 AM)
If the policy in a school is offensive to the parents; they need to complain to the local school board. The school board, or whatever variant there is in the local jurisdiction, has menu approval and sets policy for the co-payment due for school meals. You get the government, and bureaucratic policy, that you tolerate.

InfoMan -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 8:57:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DommeinRochester You can digress all you want.. But I hate to break it to you, but what I have stated does happen. Not everyone has computers and phones. As for what happens if there is an accident? There is sometimes an emergency back-up number, a grandparent, a neighbor... Whether you want to believe it, there are families out there that are really struggling. Things we take for granted are next to impossible for some families. So why not mail something? Did you know that people sometimes move? I know crazy huh? They sometimes have to move during the school year. A little something called eviction. Do you really think in some situations getting that change of address form done is a top priority? you're creating an ever increasing contrived situation of the worst of the worst conditions... and you're doing in order to try and point out that there this is a practical solution in rendering the child down to effectively no more then a walking post card. Because obviously that child also has no book bag, is wearing a potato sack, and has to walk 12 miles in pouring rain up hill both ways as he climbs into his cardboard box of a house located on an empty un-documented lot in the highest crime rate part of town - so obviously any form of paper communication would simply get lost, destroyed, or stolen right? In all honesty - at this point with all the over the top plights that the kid has to suffer through... chances are they probably are not going to school and thus your convoluted condition of a homeless poor family with no form of practical communication having to resort to branding the children to pass messages along simply wouldn't happen any ways. And yes - i know according to census data, the government believes 5-10% of all school children might be in homeless families - but ironically in those conditions, the parents which are putting so much effort into schooling their children also manage to maintain simple things such as a PO Box or a working phone line in order to put that kid through school because with out those things most schools to day won't even admit children to their school.

DommeinRochester -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 9:27:37 AM)
I'm only pointing out that not all is rainbows and unicorns in some children's lives. I know this because of my job. I come across these situations on a daily basis. Whether you want to believe it or not is entirely up to you. As for this back and forth with you - I'm done, post what you want, think what you want. Have a nice day. And the "hide" key is hit

tamaka -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 9:41:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul Kids forget things for school every day and borrow or do without for school every day, and don't think a thing about it. They don't have a pencil and have to borrow one. Wrong kind of paper for math class and have to ask the teacher or a friend. Forgot their book for reading hour and look on with a friend. Forgetting things is a part of daily life for them and lunch money is just one of those things, not a major life concern. Adults are the ones that understand that money is different, and adults are the ones that try to turn it into a major deal. When a child forgets a pencil or a book. They don't get stamp on their bodies, 'I forget my pencil", or "I forget my book". And have it announced to the world! There lies the difference. No public humiliation for them. As I stated earlier Greta, you don't have any credibility discussing this issue. Just stop talking. Greta... you're absolutely right. Keep talking all you want.

InfoMan -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 10:21:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar I find it noticeable how people with school aged kids don't seem to have an issue with this concept, while it's childless people freaking out about how it's going to 'traumatize the poor kids'. I find it noticeable of the people who don't have an issue with this concept have admitted that their child/children suffer from a detrimental psychological or sociological problems... Such as mental issues, learning disorders, or split parentage through Divorce. They also seemingly paint themselves as some how having foreknowledge on this because of personal experience while simultaneously ignoring that the long term effects of this will influence them and their decisions for the rest of their children's lives. But no - that isn't the case because you asked your 10 year old what he/she thinks... and obviously some one that medically and scientifically doesn't have the mental faculties to perform such meta-analysis is clearly the best source of reliable information in this debate... right?

DommeinRochester -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 10:36:35 AM)
Just out of curiosity.... Has anyone here, especially those who are so vehemently against this stamp even seen one of these stamps? Are we thinking it says in bright red ink "your parents are awful"? Or maybe it's something it's something like a smiley face, or a puppy dog? Of all the crap kids have to deal with today.. This is the line in the sand? If the worse thing that happened to my kid all day is he got his hand stamped, I'm thinking its a pretty damn good day!

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 12:59:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InfoMan quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar I find it noticeable how people with school aged kids don't seem to have an issue with this concept, while it's childless people freaking out about how it's going to 'traumatize the poor kids'. I find it noticeable of the people who don't have an issue with this concept have admitted that their child/children suffer from a detrimental psychological or sociological problems... Such as mental issues, learning disorders, or split parentage through Divorce. They also seemingly paint themselves as some how having foreknowledge on this because of personal experience while simultaneously ignoring that the long term effects of this will influence them and their decisions for the rest of their children's lives. But no - that isn't the case because you asked your 10 year old what he/she thinks... and obviously some one that medically and scientifically doesn't have the mental faculties to perform such meta-analysis is clearly the best source of reliable information in this debate... right? Divorce is not a psychological or sociological problem, especially not when parents staying together would have created a hostile environment which would be detrimental to the welfare of the children. And neither of my kids suffers from sociological or psychological issues. My youngest was tested at having a 142 IQ. Due to this he's the 'head in the clouds' dreamer type, and the trivialities of personal organisation don't interest him, causing issues with him fitting into a cookie cutter mold school system which expects kids to be on par with each other. It's not a problem, or a detriment to him. It's an expression of him being a unique individual with his own challenges in life, just like everybody has. He will adapt to the challenges it poses him, though possibly not until he's free to leave school and dedicate himself fully to perusing his own interests instead of trying to fit himself to other's expectations. And yes, on this subject a 10 year old would be a better authority than an adult, considering that adults have a tendency to transfer their own mental and emotional issues onto children by teaching the children that things which the kids have no problems with are 'issues' by show of their own anxiety around the subject. The worse thing you could do in a situation like this is express your own neurosis to a child by making a big deal out of something the kid doesn't experience as an issue, because it's by that transferred and taught anxiety that the child will learn to form their own neurosis. IF receiving such a stamp is detrimental to the child's psychological welfare, it's because the adults around it teach the child that it should be concerned, anxious, and upset by such a thing.

InfoMan -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 1:33:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DommeinRochester Just out of curiosity.... Has anyone here, especially those who are so vehemently against this stamp even seen one of these stamps? Are we thinking it says in bright red ink "your parents are awful"? Or maybe it's something it's something like a smiley face, or a puppy dog? Of all the crap kids have to deal with today.. This is the line in the sand? If the worse thing that happened to my kid all day is he got his hand stamped, I'm thinking its a pretty damn good day! the one that gained traction in the news cycle and spurred this conversation uses standard black stamping ink which usually fades quickly, In fact, from a practicality stand point - these stamps if applied to a child during lunch (which is often followed by recess) would probably be largely illegible or faded to such a large degree that it would be nearly invisible by the point the child got home, defeating the point of it being a 'message to the parents' idea that many have propagated here. The stamp was applied to the inner arm of the child, and is about 2 inches tall and 3-4 inches wide... so it isn't a small thing. The message says 'LUNCH MONEY' [image]http://images1.phoenixnewtimes.com/imager/u/blog/9215885/lunchmoney.jpg[/image] In this story the child was ashamed by being stamped and spent the rest of the day covering their stamped arm rather then participating in class or play. Even when the child got home and the parents tried to photograph the stamp as proof the child was resistant. Another stamp which has been making the rounds was from the Alabama school districts that have a 'stamp policy' in which the student gets stamped when their lunch balance reaches $0. This stamp says specifically 'I NEED LUNCH MONEY'. [image]http://image.al.com/home/bama-media/width620/img/news_birmingham_impact/photo/gardendale-stamp-0bec23f03ba92575.jpg[/image] The parent complained with this because the stamp wasn't a last resort, it is standard procedure and the ONLY thing done stating: “I don’t care if my son has a -$100 balance, Send me a note home or an email. When you start stamping a message on a child’s body instead of calling … it’s not OK,”

InfoMan -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 2:03:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar Divorce is not a psychological or sociological problem According to the DSM-5 "Disruption of family by separation and divorce" is a billable code, meaning that it is something which is recognized by the APA as being a legitimate psychological problem that can require treatment. So you're already wrong there... quote: especially not when parents staying together would have created a hostile environment which would be detrimental to the welfare of the children. And neither of my kids suffers from sociological or psychological issues. My youngest was tested at having a 142 IQ. Due to this he's the 'head in the clouds' dreamer type, and the trivialities of personal organisation don't interest him, causing issues with him fitting into a cookie cutter mold school system which expects kids to be on par with each other. It's not a problem, or a detriment to him. It's an expression of him being a unique individual with his own challenges in life, just like everybody has. He will adapt to the challenges it poses him, though possibly not until he's free to leave school and dedicate himself fully to perusing his own interests instead of trying to fit himself to other's expectations. And yes, on this subject a 10 year old would be a better authority than an adult, considering that adults have a tendency to transfer their own mental and emotional issues onto children by teaching the children that things which the kids have no problems with are 'issues' by show of their own anxiety around the subject. The worse thing you could do in a situation like this is express your own neurosis to a child by making a big deal out of something the kid doesn't experience as an issue, because it's by that transferred and taught anxiety that the child will learn to form their own neurosis. IF receiving such a stamp is detrimental to the child's psychological welfare, it's because the adults around it teach the child that it should be concerned, anxious, and upset by such a thing. It really doesn't matter what i say because honestly, you've got your head so up your own ass about your children that even though It is almost a scientific certainty that your child will suffer from depression and have difficult forming concrete relationships and deep romantic interactions with individuals specifically because he lives in a divorced household... you will blow it off because obviously you know more about your child then scientists and the past 50 some odd years of research and observations on divorce and throw up your own contrived excuses to justify your reasoning. Oh obviously the scientists are bringing in their own emotion and neurosis into it~!

tamaka -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 2:15:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: InfoMan quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar I find it noticeable how people with school aged kids don't seem to have an issue with this concept, while it's childless people freaking out about how it's going to 'traumatize the poor kids'. I find it noticeable of the people who don't have an issue with this concept have admitted that their child/children suffer from a detrimental psychological or sociological problems... Such as mental issues, learning disorders, or split parentage through Divorce. They also seemingly paint themselves as some how having foreknowledge on this because of personal experience while simultaneously ignoring that the long term effects of this will influence them and their decisions for the rest of their children's lives. But no - that isn't the case because you asked your 10 year old what he/she thinks... and obviously some one that medically and scientifically doesn't have the mental faculties to perform such meta-analysis is clearly the best source of reliable information in this debate... right? Divorce is not a psychological or sociological problem, especially not when parents staying together would have created a hostile environment which would be detrimental to the welfare of the children. And neither of my kids suffers from sociological or psychological issues. My youngest was tested at having a 142 IQ. Due to this he's the 'head in the clouds' dreamer type, and the trivialities of personal organisation don't interest him, causing issues with him fitting into a cookie cutter mold school system which expects kids to be on par with each other. It's not a problem, or a detriment to him. It's an expression of him being a unique individual with his own challenges in life, just like everybody has. He will adapt to the challenges it poses him, though possibly not until he's free to leave school and dedicate himself fully to perusing his own interests instead of trying to fit himself to other's expectations. And yes, on this subject a 10 year old would be a better authority than an adult, considering that adults have a tendency to transfer their own mental and emotional issues onto children by teaching the children that things which the kids have no problems with are 'issues' by show of their own anxiety around the subject. The worse thing you could do in a situation like this is express your own neurosis to a child by making a big deal out of something the kid doesn't experience as an issue, because it's by that transferred and taught anxiety that the child will learn to form their own neurosis. IF receiving such a stamp is detrimental to the child's psychological welfare, it's because the adults around it teach the child that it should be concerned, anxious, and upset by such a thing. Teaching kids that they don't have to allow people to do something like this to them is a worthwhile lesson for adults to teach their kids.

Wayward5oul -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 2:36:36 PM)
quote: Another stamp which has been making the rounds was from the Alabama school districts that have a 'stamp policy' in which the student gets stamped when their lunch balance reaches $0. This stamp says specifically 'I NEED LUNCH MONEY'. [image]http://image.al.com/home/bama-media/width620/img/news_birmingham_impact/photo/gardendale-stamp-0bec23f03ba92575.jpg[/image] The parent complained with this because the stamp wasn't a last resort, it is standard procedure and the ONLY thing done stating: “I don’t care if my son has a -$100 balance, Send me a note home or an email. When you start stamping a message on a child’s body instead of calling … it’s not OK,” Okay well this is just a flat out lie on the parent's part. This school is part of the largest school system in the state and it has automated parent communications down to an art. I can tell you from personal experience this school system uses a school messenger system that will send you robocalls and robotexts letting you know that the lunch account is getting low. On top of that they use a school lunch payment system that is totally automated and online that will send you individual emails letting you know when the balance of the lunch account gets to $15 or lower and it will continue to send you emails until money is deposited into the account. Every family has control over what phone numbers what email addresses are attached to all of these systems they can put as many in as they want so there is no reason that all the necessary parties aren't receiving all necessary notifications.

Wayward5oul -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 2:54:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: InfoMan quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar I find it noticeable how people with school aged kids don't seem to have an issue with this concept, while it's childless people freaking out about how it's going to 'traumatize the poor kids'. I find it noticeable of the people who don't have an issue with this concept have admitted that their child/children suffer from a detrimental psychological or sociological problems... Such as mental issues, learning disorders, or split parentage through Divorce. They also seemingly paint themselves as some how having foreknowledge on this because of personal experience while simultaneously ignoring that the long term effects of this will influence them and their decisions for the rest of their children's lives. But no - that isn't the case because you asked your 10 year old what he/she thinks... and obviously some one that medically and scientifically doesn't have the mental faculties to perform such meta-analysis is clearly the best source of reliable information in this debate... right? Divorce is not a psychological or sociological problem, especially not when parents staying together would have created a hostile environment which would be detrimental to the welfare of the children. And neither of my kids suffers from sociological or psychological issues. My youngest was tested at having a 142 IQ. Due to this he's the 'head in the clouds' dreamer type, and the trivialities of personal organisation don't interest him, causing issues with him fitting into a cookie cutter mold school system which expects kids to be on par with each other. It's not a problem, or a detriment to him. It's an expression of him being a unique individual with his own challenges in life, just like everybody has. He will adapt to the challenges it poses him, though possibly not until he's free to leave school and dedicate himself fully to perusing his own interests instead of trying to fit himself to other's expectations. And yes, on this subject a 10 year old would be a better authority than an adult, considering that adults have a tendency to transfer their own mental and emotional issues onto children by teaching the children that things which the kids have no problems with are 'issues' by show of their own anxiety around the subject. The worse thing you could do in a situation like this is express your own neurosis to a child by making a big deal out of something the kid doesn't experience as an issue, because it's by that transferred and taught anxiety that the child will learn to form their own neurosis. IF receiving such a stamp is detrimental to the child's psychological welfare, it's because the adults around it teach the child that it should be concerned, anxious, and upset by such a thing. Teaching kids that they don't have to allow people to do something like this to them is a worthwhile lesson for adults to teach their kids. Now see that I could get on board with. I'm driving right now so I can't go into detail at this exact moment I'll come back to that but I think that's worth discussing.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 5:37:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka You're from Alabama. That explains alot. Hell I aint on here much nowadays, so getting kicked off wont be a big deal. You're a cunt, that explains a lot.

tamaka -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 6:03:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka You're from Alabama. That explains alot. Hell I aint on here much nowadays, so getting kicked off wont be a big deal. You're a cunt, that explains a lot. Yep. I am a Cunt! I am a great cunt! You... you're just another sub.. . the likes of you are a dime a dozen.

Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/10/2017 6:55:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka You're from Alabama. That explains alot. Hell I aint on here much nowadays, so getting kicked off wont be a big deal. You're a cunt, that explains a lot. If all the people who told that poster what a miserable piece of shit she is got kicked off the site, it would be far emptier than it is now. Nice to see you back here!

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/11/2017 11:48:09 AM)
[:)]

tamaka -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/11/2017 11:57:35 AM)
Yep... the haters love to hate. They are proud of their hate too. I love showing them to be what they are.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/11/2017 12:03:26 PM)
Do let me know when you manage to do that please.

tamaka -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/11/2017 12:45:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub Do let me know when you manage to do that please. Hard to do since you are blind to yourselves. Anyways... back to the topic. I'm waiting for Wayward to come back and explain why she supports what i said about teaching kids that they don't have to allow people to invade their body this way... or any way for that matter.

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