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tamaka -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/8/2017 5:45:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Nope. Go check with your Superintendent.

Here's Boston's, for example:

http://www.bostonpublicschools.org/domain/162


Regarding your son, it doesn't really matter what he thinks. If another child takes it as humiliation and harrassment, it is to them.



What child has been bullied?


Omg




Wayward5oul -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/8/2017 5:45:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Ok well maybe you folks down south call it something different. Up North we call them school committees.



Nope. Just your state.




tamaka -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/8/2017 5:46:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Ok well maybe you folks down south call it something different. Up North we call them school committees.



Nope. Just your state.


Fine... whatever.




Kaliko -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/8/2017 6:58:04 PM)

FR

LOL....The whole "committee" versus "board" thing sounds like a discussion at our dinner table. We're constantly whipping out Google to prove each other wrong on a technicality. :)




Wayward5oul -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/8/2017 7:41:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

FR

LOL....The whole "committee" versus "board" thing sounds like a discussion at our dinner table. We're constantly whipping out Google to prove each other wrong on a technicality. :)


LOL it threw me for a loop I seriously thought she was confused at first. who knew she was in the one state in the country that had to be different.




Kaliko -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 3:10:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

FR

LOL....The whole "committee" versus "board" thing sounds like a discussion at our dinner table. We're constantly whipping out Google to prove each other wrong on a technicality. :)


LOL it threw me for a loop I seriously thought she was confused at first. who knew she was in the one state in the country that had to be different.



Oh, she's not. It varies from state to state, county to county, even from town to town within a state. Not that it should matter. I can't imagine that there are any overarching laws that govern the actual naming of a governing body - just that there be a governing body.

Tennessee has a Board of Education for their Nashville Public Schools. (I knew someone from Nashville, which is why I pulled that up first. He would refer to his BOE and I would always be confused. Around here, if we hear "Board of Education," we think we're talking about the State Board of Education.)

Even within New Hampshire, there are School Boards and there are School Committees. I think (but I'm not sure) that it has something to do with whether the governing body works in conjunction with the town's overall governing body or not. Maine also uses School Committee, in addition to Massachusetts and Rhode Island, and I believe at least one place in Rhode Island uses Board of School Committee (which makes no sense to me).

It might be a New England regional thing. (Just as using Board of Education might be more of a thing in other parts of the country.) But it's not just one state. And I would bet good money that it really doesn't matter - that if the voters approved the establishment of a "Looney Tunes for School Committee" as their local school's governing body, as long as proper laws were followed, it would be legit.

New England, especially Northern New England, is pretty small-town, old-school politics, so maybe there's an historical attachment to "School Committee" in some places. My mother is always baffled when I tell her the kinds of things we vote on here, in our tiny town meetings and such. She says "Doesn't somebody just make those decisions for you?" LOL











Wayward5oul -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 5:23:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

FR

LOL....The whole "committee" versus "board" thing sounds like a discussion at our dinner table. We're constantly whipping out Google to prove each other wrong on a technicality. :)


LOL it threw me for a loop I seriously thought she was confused at first. who knew she was in the one state in the country that had to be different.



Oh, she's not. It varies from state to state, county to county, even from town to town within a state. Not that it should matter. I can't imagine that there are any overarching laws that govern the actual naming of a governing body - just that there be a governing body.

Tennessee has a Board of Education for their Nashville Public Schools. (I knew someone from Nashville, which is why I pulled that up first. He would refer to his BOE and I would always be confused. Around here, if we hear "Board of Education," we think we're talking about the State Board of Education.)

Even within New Hampshire, there are School Boards and there are School Committees. I think (but I'm not sure) that it has something to do with whether the governing body works in conjunction with the town's overall governing body or not. Maine also uses School Committee, in addition to Massachusetts and Rhode Island, and I believe at least one place in Rhode Island uses Board of School Committee (which makes no sense to me).

It might be a New England regional thing. (Just as using Board of Education might be more of a thing in other parts of the country.) But it's not just one state. And I would bet good money that it really doesn't matter - that if the voters approved the establishment of a "Looney Tunes for School Committee" as their local school's governing body, as long as proper laws were followed, it would be legit.

New England, especially Northern New England, is pretty small-town, old-school politics, so maybe there's an historical attachment to "School Committee" in some places. My mother is always baffled when I tell her the kinds of things we vote on here, in our tiny town meetings and such. She says "Doesn't somebody just make those decisions for you?" LOL









Ok. I was just going by the National Association of School Boards which only referenced Massachusetts as still use the phrasing school committee.




Greta75 -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 8:02:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
People get stamped for all sorts of stuff. Going in and out of bars, amusement parks, zoos, roller rinks, concerts, and a plethora of other things.

A Stamp for entry into a concert or an amusement park is something EVERYBODY inside the amusement part or the concert gets stamped to state that 'They have Paid!" This is completely different to the minority of kids who got stamp that "They owe Lunch Money!"

How is this is the same? One is shaming for owning money. And the other is a stamp to show that they have paid their dues?

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And I will re-iterate, there are MANY parents that do NOT respond to the school's phone calls, text messages, emails, or notes home.

But this is a stamp. It washes off. I am quite sure that several of the posters here could turn the whole thing into a traumatic event, but it really is just a stamp.

So a parents will not respond to text message, that's why stamping on a child works? Because why? Because you shame their child and they realise their child is getting punished for their own tardiness. That's why it works! Punish the child, and not the parent.

Where is the justice in this when a child gets punishment for the parent's tardiness?

I don't even know what is going on?




Greta75 -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 8:07:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. A lunch money stamp just does not fit the definition.
Shame results from comparison of the self's action with the self's standards. The parent MAY feel shame in a stamp situation. It is highly likely that the parent may even project that feeling onto the child. So, again, the definition does not really fit.

The parent and the CHILD may feel shame from the actions. The child is being punished for their parent's fuck up. THAT is the bullying there. They can't get to the parents, so they shame the child.

A whole state in the US felt this was enough bullying to an innocent child to ban it.





Greta75 -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 8:11:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

So again, when can I expect you to send me a blank check, or make a donation to ANY school in the states to help pay off these charges?


So your only solution is to punish the child and not the parent? Or demanding money from other people who is against shaming of children?

I mean seriously, what happens if the child died in school from food poisoning for example and you can't contact the parent when you call/email or sms them? You gonna send the child corpse back with a stamp that says, "Your child died"?

What bullshit is this?







JstAnotherSub -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 12:15:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

So again, when can I expect you to send me a blank check, or make a donation to ANY school in the states to help pay off these charges?


So your only solution is to punish the child and not the parent? Or demanding money from other people who is against shaming of children?

I mean seriously, what happens if the child died in school from food poisoning for example and you can't contact the parent when you call/email or sms them? You gonna send the child corpse back with a stamp that says, "Your child died"?

What bullshit is this?





omg I had a really bad day and this literally just made me snort laughing. Thank you so much, my face hurts from laughing

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Aylee -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 2:15:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. A lunch money stamp just does not fit the definition.
Shame results from comparison of the self's action with the self's standards. The parent MAY feel shame in a stamp situation. It is highly likely that the parent may even project that feeling onto the child. So, again, the definition does not really fit.

The parent and the CHILD may feel shame from the actions. The child is being punished for their parent's fuck up. THAT is the bullying there. They can't get to the parents, so they shame the child.

A whole state in the US felt this was enough bullying to an innocent child to ban it.




If the child is not being treated as though some terrible, horrible, traumatic thing has happened, then the child is not going to feel that way.

The negativity is going to come from the oh-so-sensitive-and-very-very-caring crowd that flip out about a child being used as a messenger.

I have commented on how to deal with it. Tell the child, "Ooops, sorry, I forgot, let me get you your lunch money / Oops, let them know that I will send money on Thursday when I get paid." Deal with it calmly and matter of factly, like you would any other easily fixable issue. A stamp on the arm as a reminder for lunch money is a classy problem. Easily fixable (you can even wash it off) and then one can move on to homework, swim lessons, or whatever.




Aylee -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 2:25:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

So again, when can I expect you to send me a blank check, or make a donation to ANY school in the states to help pay off these charges?


So your only solution is to punish the child and not the parent? Or demanding money from other people who is against shaming of children?

I mean seriously, what happens if the child died in school from food poisoning for example and you can't contact the parent when you call/email or sms them? You gonna send the child corpse back with a stamp that says, "Your child died"?

What bullshit is this?







This is the problem. The arm stamp is being falsely viewed as a punishment. It is not one. It is a form of communication. It is a reminder.

No one is being punished in this situation. A resolution is being requested.

You have an irrational belief that is consequently making you upset. You should work on attaining an effective new belief in order to cease and desist of negative side effect.






tamaka -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 2:31:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

So again, when can I expect you to send me a blank check, or make a donation to ANY school in the states to help pay off these charges?


So your only solution is to punish the child and not the parent? Or demanding money from other people who is against shaming of children?

I mean seriously, what happens if the child died in school from food poisoning for example and you can't contact the parent when you call/email or sms them? You gonna send the child corpse back with a stamp that says, "Your child died"?

What bullshit is this?







This is the problem. The arm stamp is being falsely viewed as a punishment. It is not one. It is a form of communication. It is a reminder.

No one is being punished in this situation. A resolution is being requested.

You have an irrational belief that is consequently making you upset. You should work on attaining an effective new belief in order to cease and desist of negative side effect.





Why not just write a note on their forehead then. You are missing the basic point.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 2:37:51 PM)

~FR~

Having a kid in elementary school who manages to lose, forget, misplace, or delay 3/4 of the paperwork the school sends home, I would relish the idea of the school stamping important communications on him.

In fact, his teachers (this has gone on multiple years) and us have tried so many different methods which have failed that I think I'll bring up the stamp idea with his current one the next time we talk.

Lunch money reminders* NEVER reach us, because when the cafeteria hands them out, they're about to have lunch, and then recess. By the time he reaches his class room afterwards, there's no telling where that slip of paper ended up.

Heck, I'll buy the stamps. Maybe then he'll finally get to go on every field trip, instead of having half of his permission slips never filled out...

* And yeah, we need lunch money reminders, because with divorced households, and the kids not buying lunch at school every day (sometimes they bring their own) it's sometimes not clear how much money they still have left over in their accounts. If their mother has them eat school lunches for a while without putting money in, sometimes we're much lower than we thought.




tamaka -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 4:09:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

~FR~

Having a kid in elementary school who manages to lose, forget, misplace, or delay 3/4 of the paperwork the school sends home, I would relish the idea of the school stamping important communications on him.

In fact, his teachers (this has gone on multiple years) and us have tried so many different methods which have failed that I think I'll bring up the stamp idea with his current one the next time we talk.

Lunch money reminders* NEVER reach us, because when the cafeteria hands them out, they're about to have lunch, and then recess. By the time he reaches his class room afterwards, there's no telling where that slip of paper ended up.

Heck, I'll buy the stamps. Maybe then he'll finally get to go on every field trip, instead of having half of his permission slips never filled out...

* And yeah, we need lunch money reminders, because with divorced households, and the kids not buying lunch at school every day (sometimes they bring their own) it's sometimes not clear how much money they still have left over in their accounts. If their mother has them eat school lunches for a while without putting money in, sometimes we're much lower than we thought.


Perhaps you should see special ed support for your child if he has serious organizational issues. It's only going to get worse as he gets older and is expected to be able to organize himself and be able to self-manage his affairs.




DommeinRochester -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 5:04:25 PM)

FR:
Not all homes have internet access. So how can they read the school's email?
Not all homes have computers. How can they access the internet to read the school's email?
Not all homes have phones. How is the school supposed to call home with a reminder?
Not all parents have cell phones. How is the school supposed to call or text?

So now what? How do you communicate with parents then?




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 5:26:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

~FR~

Having a kid in elementary school who manages to lose, forget, misplace, or delay 3/4 of the paperwork the school sends home, I would relish the idea of the school stamping important communications on him.

In fact, his teachers (this has gone on multiple years) and us have tried so many different methods which have failed that I think I'll bring up the stamp idea with his current one the next time we talk.

Lunch money reminders* NEVER reach us, because when the cafeteria hands them out, they're about to have lunch, and then recess. By the time he reaches his class room afterwards, there's no telling where that slip of paper ended up.

Heck, I'll buy the stamps. Maybe then he'll finally get to go on every field trip, instead of having half of his permission slips never filled out...

* And yeah, we need lunch money reminders, because with divorced households, and the kids not buying lunch at school every day (sometimes they bring their own) it's sometimes not clear how much money they still have left over in their accounts. If their mother has them eat school lunches for a while without putting money in, sometimes we're much lower than we thought.


Perhaps you should see special ed support for your child if he has serious organizational issues. It's only going to get worse as he gets older and is expected to be able to organize himself and be able to self-manage his affairs.



I don't know why you'd assume we haven't yet, considering that I mentioned that we've been in close cooperation with his teachers on this, and many different methods have been tried.




tamaka -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 5:42:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DommeinRochester

FR:
Not all homes have internet access. So how can they read the school's email?
Not all homes have computers. How can they access the internet to read the school's email?
Not all homes have phones. How is the school supposed to call home with a reminder?
Not all parents have cell phones. How is the school supposed to call or text?

So now what? How do you communicate with parents then?


A colored folder that your child brings home each night with their important notes stapled in it. Kid gets home, parent says "let"s look at your folder Johnny".




Wayward5oul -> RE: Lunch Shaming (5/9/2017 5:47:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

So again, when can I expect you to send me a blank check, or make a donation to ANY school in the states to help pay off these charges?


So your only solution is to punish the child and not the parent? Or demanding money from other people who is against shaming of children?

I mean seriously, what happens if the child died in school from food poisoning for example and you can't contact the parent when you call/email or sms them? You gonna send the child corpse back with a stamp that says, "Your child died"?

What bullshit is this?





This coming from the person who just a few months ago was on here saying that if the little boy who was left in the forest by the parents who wanted to teach him a lesson were to die, then that would serve the parents right and would teach them a lesson. And if I remember correctly, laughed about it.

You hardly have any sort of moral authority to be judging anyone over this. Nor do you have any sort of familiarity with the situation. Or knowledge of the circumstances.

Only a bunch of hypothetical, hypocritical BS.




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