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The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 7:05:43 PM   
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Patriarchy blaming is one of my pet hates with feminism. It's used to be blamed for nearly everything without any evidence supporting it. Patriarchy theory is based on feminist fantasy.
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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 7:53:14 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEd0ehNinbc

Patriarchy blaming is one of my pet hates with feminism. It's used to be blamed for nearly everything without any evidence supporting it. Patriarchy theory is based on feminist fantasy.

Not fantasy . . . . well documented history. . . an inescapable narrative borne in the testimonies, the writing, and the art that depict our history drawn in Walt Disney colors.

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 8:04:49 PM   
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So care to show these documentations? Like actual citations and irrefutable evidence, not theory, that patriarchy is the blame and cause for this or that and whatever loony feminists claim?

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 8:30:03 PM   
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So care to show these documentations? Like actual citations and irrefutable evidence, not theory, that patriarchy is the blame and cause for this or that and whatever loony feminists claim?

No, I don't care to spend my valuable time and insights trying to educate someone who has repeatedly showed that his opinion was locked in. Fuck no.

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 8:57:49 PM   
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Or could it be that there is nothing out there that is factual evidence and not just theory that supports the feminist narrative of patriarchy.

In other words, it's assumption, not fact.

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 9:16:43 PM   
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Most people call it history.

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 9:21:34 PM   
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History as in blacks selling blacks into slavery in Africa?

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 9:26:36 PM   
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before that, idiot

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 9:33:28 PM   
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before that, idiot


Ok... let's just find a convenient piece of history that you want to consider and ignore everything else that happened. You're the idiot.

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 9:40:12 PM   
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Most people call it history.


What I see as history is an feminist inspired theory on patriarchy that has plagued academia and the mainstream media which has made it an socially accepted mindset to randomly blame patriarchy on anything without any factual standing.

There is a huge difference between theory/assumption than there is to fact.


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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 9:41:16 PM   
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History as in blacks selling blacks into slavery in Africa?


Or Arab slavery to blacks being worse than white slavery to blacks.

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 9:43:04 PM   
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History as in blacks selling blacks into slavery in Africa?


Or Arab slavery to blacks being worse than white slavery to blacks.


Quite, since all of the men had their dicks cut off... to start.

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 9:44:54 PM   
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you see? ............this what you get when you tell little girls that their opinion matters.........insanity in the end.

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 9:54:13 PM   
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before that, idiot


Ok... let's just find a convenient piece of history that you want to consider and ignore everything else that happened. You're the idiot.

You seem to be the one that is focussing on slavery and the blacks, not any of the history from outside the US, or before or after history from around the world.
English history, Italian French History, African History, American history
Patriarchy covers so very much
Religion, Any of the big three are patriarchal
Have been for centuries.
Even the governement of your country right now, there are no women sorting out what is happening with healthcare essentials for insurance purposes.
Grow up you ignorant dumb bitch

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 10:03:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

before that, idiot


Ok... let's just find a convenient piece of history that you want to consider and ignore everything else that happened. You're the idiot.

You seem to be the one that is focussing on slavery and the blacks, not any of the history from outside the US, or before or after history from around the world.
English history, Italian French History, African History, American history
Patriarchy covers so very much
Religion, Any of the big three are patriarchal
Have been for centuries.
Even the governement of your country right now, there are no women sorting out what is happening with healthcare essentials for insurance purposes.
Grow up you ignorant dumb bitch


What should it matter how many men vs women there are if everyone is THE SAME. EQUAL. NOT DIFFERENT. Calling me names because you are a fool doesn't change your reality.

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 10:06:22 PM   
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before that, idiot


Ok... let's just find a convenient piece of history that you want to consider and ignore everything else that happened. You're the idiot.

You seem to be the one that is focussing on slavery and the blacks, not any of the history from outside the US, or before or after history from around the world.
English history, Italian French History, African History, American history
Patriarchy covers so very much
Religion, Any of the big three are patriarchal
Have been for centuries.
Even the governement of your country right now, there are no women sorting out what is happening with healthcare essentials for insurance purposes.
Grow up you ignorant dumb bitch



Patriarchy covers so very much

Do you remember this Lucy?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4454964/Female-rulers-27-likely-wage-WAR-males.html

Again, you're randomly blaming patriarchy without any basis behind it.


Grow up you ignorant dumb bitch.

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 10:09:09 PM   
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Misinterpreting Patriarchy

http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/04/misinterpreting-patriarchy/

The gender discourse of today is ripe with words such as “patriarchy” and “structural oppression”, words that are meant to convey that men as a group hold power over women as a group. At the same time, more and more people are starting to question whether these terms can be said to accurately describe reality. Some even go as far as to claim that “the patriarchy” is a fantasy that has no correlate in real life.

Personally, I don’t believe that the word patriarchy is a fantasy, but I do believe that it has been misinterpreted–or misconstrued–more or less beyond recognition.

So what is the patriarchy, in the true sense of the word? Patriarchy is a system where men work in the public sphere and women work in the private sphere. No more, no less.

The contemporary gender discourse, however, tends to focus exclusively on the fact that important and influential roles in society are filled by men in a patriarchy, and use this observation to conclude that patriarchy is about male dominance and male power. Through this generalization, the power of a small subset of men, is taken to represent all men, without investigating whether other men really have any power. Another factor that also isn’t investigated is whether the small subset of men with power use their power to help other men. If not, it cannot really be said to be a male power.

Yet another example of how the concept of patriarchy is misunderstood, was given to me through a press release of a Swedish book investigating closed networks of men with power between the years 1890 and 1960. The focus of the author is how these networks were explicitly closed to women, through jargon and invisible codes. In other words, there is an assumption that the jargon was used to keep women out of the boardrooms and other seats of power. In my opinion, however, this is a clear misrepresentation and misunderstanding of the workings of patriarchy.

The jargon and invisible codes of these powerful Swedish men of the past were not mean to shut out women, they were meant to shut out everyone who wasn’t part of the group–men and women alike. Furthermore, the women who were married to these men were likely very happy with their situation, and not at all looking to take over their husbands’ jobs. This was at a time when biological sex and gender roles had yet to be differentiated.

Today’s gender experts therefore misinterpret patriarchal societies in a number of ways:

The power of a tiny subset of men is taken to represent all men, instead of seeing the powerlessness of most men. It is assumed that the men at the top helped other men, but in reality they used other men for wars, mining, construction, etc. There is no evidence that the men in power were reluctant to use other men to build society, regardless of the hardships, injuries and deaths that were required. So called male networks were really networks for the rich and powerful. Women didn’t ask to be part of these networks, since gender roles were still fused with biological sex in the cultural awareness.

My take on the word “patriarchy” is that it was once an adequate term for describing traditional societies that had agrarian farming as their base. However, through repeated misuse of the word, it has been hijacked and misconstrued to mean something very different. At this point in time, there’s not much point in using the word at all, since there is no longer a clear definition.

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 10:47:18 PM   
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before that, idiot


Ok... let's just find a convenient piece of history that you want to consider and ignore everything else that happened. You're the idiot.

You seem to be the one that is focussing on slavery and the blacks, not any of the history from outside the US, or before or after history from around the world.
English history, Italian French History, African History, American history
Patriarchy covers so very much
Religion, Any of the big three are patriarchal
Have been for centuries.
Even the governement of your country right now, there are no women sorting out what is happening with healthcare essentials for insurance purposes.
Grow up you ignorant dumb bitch


What should it matter how many men vs women there are if everyone is THE SAME. EQUAL. NOT DIFFERENT. Calling me names because you are a fool doesn't change your reality.



Patriarchy is the subject. Im not the one using race. its gender rule.
Im not interested in female supremacy, Im into diversity, Im not into patriarchy.

And you are whinging about insults?
Pot calling the kettle grimy arse, hypocritical and laughable.




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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/15/2017 10:53:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

before that, idiot


Ok... let's just find a convenient piece of history that you want to consider and ignore everything else that happened. You're the idiot.

You seem to be the one that is focussing on slavery and the blacks, not any of the history from outside the US, or before or after history from around the world.
English history, Italian French History, African History, American history
Patriarchy covers so very much
Religion, Any of the big three are patriarchal
Have been for centuries.
Even the governement of your country right now, there are no women sorting out what is happening with healthcare essentials for insurance purposes.
Grow up you ignorant dumb bitch


What should it matter how many men vs women there are if everyone is THE SAME. EQUAL. NOT DIFFERENT. Calling me names because you are a fool doesn't change your reality.



Patriarchy is the subject. Im not the one using race. its gender rule.
Im not interested in female supremacy, Im into diversity, Im not into patriarchy.

And you are whinging about insults?
Pot calling the kettle grimy arse, hypocritical and laughable.





Patriarchy is the world being ruled by men. Feminism says that women are the equals of men. The idea is that men and women are not different but the same. If women are the same as men then they will not be different outcomes regardless of whether women are involved or not.

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RE: The Everyday Hatred of Men - Part One, Patriarchy - 5/16/2017 12:52:54 AM   
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The contemporary gender discourse, however, tends to focus exclusively on the fact that important and influential roles in society are filled by men in a patriarchy...

I think the problem goes deeper than this. Radical feminism's social constructionist stance is anti-scientific garbage. But even just taking the statement at face value, any view that dismisses the bearing and nurturing of the young as not an important and influential role in society is too divorced from reality to merit debate.

K.




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