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Saadia -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/28/2017 2:35:03 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Greta75
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/05/26/trumps-statement-on-ramadan-is-almost-entirely-about-terrorism/
“We, as American Muslims, shouldn’t be defined solely in our relationship to bad things that we have nothing to do with,” Hamid said. “We’re also normal people who happen to be Muslim and to see us and our history in America so narrowly is plain out offensive.”
“I mean do you really want us to fight ISIS during Ramadan?” Ali said. “We’ll be weak. I’m fasting from dawn until sunset. Not even water? Not even water! I mean, I could kill terrorists with my Ramadan breath.”
The things I quoted here, is precisely my problem with the Muslims.
1) People who follow your religion, a large number of them, whole countries, are doing terrible things. Beyond Terrorism, oppressing women, killing gay people, preventing Muslims who want to leave from leaving through legal consequences etc. So at the moment, the religion that they have by choice as Americans chosen to be a part of, has been involved, WHOLE countries have been involved in atrocious things. So don't even try to say that, whatever they do has nothing to do with me. We just happen to believe in the same things, but doesn't mean I will do what they do!
Hell, how about stop trying to like shirk it and really address the issues your religion is causing! This whole side tracking is my biggest problem with self-proclaim moderate Muslims.
2) A Muslim Whining about how weak they are because they cannot even drink water. Sounds familiar even at work. That they are too weak to do anything at their jobs during this month. Because they voluntarily chose to starve themselves all day.
That's not getting any sympathy.
I am glad Trump is bringing up Terrorism during Ramadan. Because while Muslims are busy voluntarily playing starvation diet for one month! Their religion is busy running terror over the world!
What the hell do they want Trump to say. "Omg you Muslims are so awesome to be able to starve yourself for a month! Kudos to your ability to do that!"
Speaking as someone who is Muslim and has grown up as one allow me to reply to your post.
1) Yes, people who follow my religion, and some 'Muslim' Countries are indeed doing terrible things. However: a) A large number of Muslims do not commit acts of violence, nor do they believe in committing acts of violence. If you're actually interested in fact based analysis you might want to read the following book: Who speaks for Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think. (there is an excerpt and review on this link if you don't want to read the book: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=878603780 ) b) When protestants and Catholics were committing acts of violence or when a conservative Christian targets abortion clinics etc. we do not accuse all white people or Christians of being violent, nor do we expect them to apologize for acts of violence committed by their fellow members of faith. In fact, based on FBI data (again, actual date), there are more acts of terrorism committed in the US by white supremacist groups than Muslims. c) Muslims by large numbers do NOT support the so called Muslim nations. In fact, if you were to conduct a pole of Muslims in the US, a significant majority is against the oppressive Saudi regime. It's troubling that the US is supporting these oppressive regimes. d) If you read that book or the article from the link, you will notice factual analysis that indicates Muslims by large number do NOT support act of terrorism, and in fact, majority of the victims of terrorism are Muslims. And even the minority that supported acts of terrorism base their support as political motivation, not religious one. e) This is not to say there isn't a problem with Muslims committing acts of violence. There is a very real problem that needs to be dealt with. Muslims are as much afraid of being the victims of violence and terrorism as anyone else. And you may not know this, but a lot of the arrests of so called Muslim terrorists are made because of tip off from other Muslims. The man who committed the brutal act of terrorism in Manchester was also tipped of by Muslims and mosque leaders, unfortunately their warning was unheard: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/salman-abedi-manchester-attack-reported-family-imam-friends-did-nothing-a7757726.html
2) Those Muslims who 'whine' about fasting as an excuse to perform poorly at work are wrong. There bad people who will make all kind of excuses for their poor performance, Muslims or not.
Again, I am not saying there isn't a problem. There is a real problem with some Muslims who tend to think violence is the only way. And we need eradicate those extremists and extremist ideas. But if you keep pointing fingers instead of realizing the bigger issues at play and work together, there is a better chance of solving these issues than if we keep pointing fingers.
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