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Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 1:29:16 PM   
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Rep. Adrian Smith (R-Neb.) refused to say whether “every American is entitled to eat” and the food stamps program is the best way to ensure that they have the food they need.

NPR’s Scott Simon interviewed Smith on Saturday about the farm bill and President Donald Trump’sproposed cuts to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, commonly known as food stamps. In the president’s budget, the White House is seeking $193 billion in cuts to SNAP over 10 years, an amount equal to more than one-quarter of the program’s cost over that period.

There is room for “very minor shifts” in SNAP that “make sure we do not harm the most vulnerable among us,” according to Smith.

“Especially for people in need we do not want to leave our most vulnerable without nutrition,” he said. “Looking at that, we always want to keep that in mind.”

But Simon pressed Smith on his views about the program’s underlying philosophy.

“Let me ask you this bluntly: Is every American entitled to eat?” he asked.

“Well, nutrition obviously we know is very important and I would hope that we can look to ―” Smith began.

“Well, not just important, it’s essential for life,” Simon interjected.

Smith conceded that nutrition is essential to life.

“So is every American entitled to eat and is food stamps something that ought to be that ultimate guarantor?” Simon persisted.

“I think we know that given the necessity of nutrition, there could be a number of ways that we could address that,” Smith answered.

As Smith later observed, a president’s budget is merely a set of suggestions that reflect the president’s fiscal priorities. It is up to Congress to allot the funds for federal programs. The president can then sign or veto budget legislation they craft.

Smith refused to rule out reductions in SNAP spending as part of that process, however.

“I want to look at our entire budget, look at all of the details,” he said.

Roughly 43 million low-income Americans receive SNAP benefits, which are vouchers to buy food. Enrollment has dropped significantly since 2014 due to improvement in the economy.

Mick Mulvaney, director of the White House Office of Management and Budget, by claiming there are people receiving benefits who do not need them given how long ago the recession was.

The administration has not been clear about its intentions for the means-tested aid program though. Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue, whose department oversees SNAP, has defended SNAP’s performance and claimed that it will be up to Congress to decide how much it wants to reduce the program’s spending.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-congressman-declines-whether-every-173031436.html


im wondering why people are so silent about this....



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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 1:53:42 PM   
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So is every American entitled to eat and is food stamps something that ought to be that ultimate guarantor?”


No, sorry. Get a job.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 1:54:13 PM   
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Socialist policies (such as those in Venezuela) are meant to guarantee such things, yet cause mass starvation

Which that "gotcha" propaganda question presupposes that government "entitling" everyone the 'right to eat" means everyone will eat, which the opposite is eventually true in most cases with socialism

As is the case with Venezuela, as was the case in the USSR and China etc etc etc

Answering the question in the affirmative, thus agreeing in principle to obvious socialist policies, which are extremely harmful, is not the correct reply

Because the premise is pure bs propaganda



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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 2:01:50 PM   
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ALERT ALERT ALERT deflection in post 3, troll needs fumigating.


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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 2:04:37 PM   
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ALERT ALERT ALERT deflection in post 3, troll needs fumigating.



Hilarious

Like most leftists, you are far too clueless to know what words like "deflection" even mean

Your own post above, that this is in reply to, was "deflection" idiot

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 2:05:59 PM   
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Like most leftists...

Give up on the alt-left broadbrush now, have we?

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 2:11:27 PM   
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So is every American entitled to eat and is food stamps something that ought to be that ultimate guarantor?”


No, sorry. Get a job.



I had an interesting convo with a woman last winter, she was at the register using food stamps talking with the clerk about how she will be well fed and freezing out on the street. Asked her if I could be nosy, what she meant. Well she lost her job, was too old and couldnt find another, the bank took her house, so the state gave her food stamps to keep her alive on one hand and on the other took her house forcing her out on the street so she dies anyway. Life it seems is not without irony. right to eat but no right to shelter.


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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 2:14:42 PM   
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So is every American entitled to eat and is food stamps something that ought to be that ultimate guarantor?”


No, sorry. Get a job.



I had an interesting convo with a woman last winter, she was at the register using food stamps talking with the clerk about how she will be well fed and freezing out on the street. Asked her if I could be nosy, what she meant. Well she lost her job, was too old and couldnt find another, the bank took her house, so the state gave her food stamps to keep her alive on one hand and on the other took her house forcing her out on the street so she dies anyway. Life it seems is not without irony. right to eat but no right to shelter.



More cruel irony is how if we guarantee everything as a "right" then eventually no one will have anything

Just as they are learning the hard way, in Venezuela.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 2:15:20 PM   
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I heard you know who eats people, starts with the fresh kids yet to bleeed

wolfs em up, between raping his wife Ivanaka


any 13 years kiddies on here anyway I am the president

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 2:19:00 PM   
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So is every American entitled to eat and is food stamps something that ought to be that ultimate guarantor?”


No, sorry. Get a job.

Most SNAP participants who can work, do work. SNAP rules require all recipients meet work requirements unless they are exempt because of age or disability or another specific reason. Children, seniors, and those with disabilities comprise almost two-thirds of all SNAP participants. Among households that include someone who is able to work, more than 75 percent* had a job in year before or after receiving SNAP. Forty-three percent of SNAP participants live in a household with earnings.

Some of these working individuals are ABAWDs, or able-bodied adults without dependents. ABAWDs must meet special work requirements, in addition to the general work requirements, to maintain their eligibility.
https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/able-bodied-adults-without-dependents-abawds

ABAWDs can only get SNAP for 3 months in 3 years if they do not meet certain special work requirements. This is called the time limit.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 2:35:31 PM   
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the short answer is: "if a man will not work, he shall not eat"

if he cannot work, then the question is who's responsible to help feed him.

some will say the government.

others will say the man's family, friends, the church and the local charities and lastly, LOCAL government.

the latter is far more successful and ultimately, more humanizing.



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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 3:12:44 PM   
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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 3:15:11 PM   
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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 3:18:17 PM   
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"Private Charity versus Government Entitlements"

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there are many examples of federal government waste, but one of the most obvious is government entitlement programs.

it makes logical sense that that private charities will be more efficient and effective than government entitlement programs...

Michael tanner director of health and welfare studies at the cato institute (just shut up about it comrades) testified to congress that 70% of every government entitlement dollar goes not to poor people but to government bureaucrats...

on average [recipients of private charities] receive 82 cents of every dollar...


http://www.softwaremetrics.com/Economics/Private%20Charity%20versus%20Government%20Entitlements.pdf

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 3:24:34 PM   
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And that is hardly true, there are many examples of private charities and corporations and massive waste. Consider Il Douchovitches charities designed for him and his enrichment, or say Healthcare and the siphoning off of life giving dollars there.

It aint so. Either way.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 3:29:41 PM   
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And that is hardly true, there are many examples of private charities and corporations and massive waste. Consider Il Douchovitches charities designed for him and his enrichment, or say Healthcare and the siphoning off of life giving dollars there.

It aint so. Either way.


There's no waste in government.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 3:29:41 PM   
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the short answer is: "if a man will not work, he shall not eat"

if he cannot work, then the question is who's responsible to help feed him.

some will say the government.

others will say the man's family, friends, the church and the local charities and lastly, LOCAL government.

the latter is far more successful and ultimately, more humanizing.





Speaking of charities, some while ago I had a charity appeal for starving children in my inbox. The usual terrible pictures of children looking really neglected. American children. Just astonishing. Too much irony in that email for my head to deal with.


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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 3:31:49 PM   
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the short answer is: "if a man will not work, he shall not eat"

if he cannot work, then the question is who's responsible to help feed him.

some will say the government.

others will say the man's family, friends, the church and the local charities and lastly, LOCAL government.

the latter is far more successful and ultimately, more humanizing.





Speaking of charities, some while ago I had a charity appeal for starving children in my inbox. The usual terrible pictures of children looking really neglected. American children. Just astonishing. Too much irony in that email for my head to deal with.



If the children are starving in the US it's because parents are trading foodstamps for drugs.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 3:39:02 PM   
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And that is hardly true, there are many examples of private charities and corporations and massive waste. Consider Il Douchovitches charities designed for him and his enrichment, or say Healthcare and the siphoning off of life giving dollars there.

It aint so. Either way.


There's no waste in government.


I dont know why you would say that, its as stupid as saying that markets are efficient.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 3:39:48 PM   
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"Private Charity Versus Government Welfare"

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...In Charity in Truth, Pope Benedict cites Pope Paul VI, who:

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had an articulated vision of development. He understood the term to indicate the goal of rescuing peoples, first and foremost, from hunger, deprivation, endemic diseases, and illiteracy. It meant their evolution into educated societies marked by solidarity; from a political point of view, it meant the consolidation of democratic regimes capable of ensuring freedom and peace.


However, Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict both emphasize the principle of solidarity, which can be defined as “a sense of or responsibility on the part of every one with regard to everyone.” Benedict is clear that this cannot be delegated to the state alone. It seems, given his insistence on the virtue of caritas — love — that one cannot see the State as the principal caretaker of welfare or so-called “social justice.” Benedict insists again and again on what he terms “gratuitousness,” which is a reference to the long-time heart of Joseph Ratzinger’s theology: the emphasis on the sincere gift of self. We could also translate this as the “self-gift,” and find in this formulation a second meaning, since through it a person finds his true self in charity. Private charity is preferable because it is a means of growing in grace for the donor. Clearly this cannot be the case of the Leviathan government, which has no moral subject...

Today, the Church continues to be the world’s largest private agency of charity to the indigent, as it has been through the centuries...

The beauty of this principle is that it provides for charity only as needed while encouraging self-reliance as possible.Whether this assistance comes from the government at the local or federal level, from private charities, from the Church, or simply from relatives, it should normally be limited to getting people or families back on their feet, rather than fostering prolonged dependency — the compelling counterexample being the tens of millions of Americans on food stamps...

It is clear from Benedict’s tour de force survey of the current state of human development that private charity is preferable to public welfare, in that it satisfies the principles of subsidiarity, solidarity, and gratuitousness, or self-giving, which ennoble those who provide it and enable those who receive it as needed.

On the other hand, government assistance generally should serve as temporary help when private charity is not available or effective — the proverbial safety net — but not as a form of bribery for political purposes or as a means of gaining power over people, as if oppressive taxation and inflationary monetary policy were not means enough. After all, as the saying goes, what the government can do for you, it can also do to you.


http://www.crisismagazine.com/2011/private-charity-versus-government-welfare

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