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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 4:55:36 PM   
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Food stamps work. Each month they help feed 43 million poor and low-income Americans, most in families with children and working parents. Food stamps, officially the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, keep millions of people from falling into poverty each year and prevent millions of poor people, many disabled or elderly, from falling deeper into poverty.

They also improve the future prospects of poor children by fostering better health and graduation rates.

Benefits average only $1.40 per person per meal, ineligible recipients are rare and incorrect payments are few. Into the bargain, food stamps support the farm economy and the broader economy by creating a bigger market for food and supplying cash that is quickly spent.

President Trump’s budget plan would destroy the food stamp program, on the pretense that it discourages work. That’s nonsense, because most adult recipients either work or are unable to do so because of age or disability. A more plausible explanation is that cutting food stamps would help to offset the cost of huge tax cuts for the rich.

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The damage would likely be permanent. Food stamps would be reduced by 25 percent — $193 billion over 10 years — much of which would be achieved by shifting costs to the states, which could not afford to make the payment, leading them to cut food aid.

Disparities in hunger and poverty across the states, typical before the modern food stamp program began in the 1970s, would return, as would more hunger over all, especially in recessions, when states are forced to cut spending.


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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 4:59:59 PM   
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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 5:12:23 PM   
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Not addressed to me, but.....there are summer feeding programs. The one my school system is involved with offers 2 of the 3 meals per day, which 2 is determined by the people or person picking them up or having them delivered.

They are distributed at schools, daycares and delivered directly to neighborhoods and individual homes too.

It doesn't feed all that need it during the break, but it is a start that grows every year.

thats awesome:)
do you have any idea of what the figures are? its purely self interest.
there are so many that still fall thru the cracks I know , but having them is more important than not.
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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 5:13:40 PM   
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They will never pass cutting food stamps. Too many moderate republicans have a conscience.


Voting to help the truly needy in a responsible manner, is not the same as affirming that everyone is "entitled" to this or that

What the alt left would do, would be far more destructive than allowing the poor to starve. Going steeply into debt so that leftists can buy votes with trillions in borrowed money is the surest path to destruction known so far for a democratic republic

Except perhaps for suicide by Muslim



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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 5:14:05 PM   
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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 5:16:31 PM   
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Not addressed to me, but.....there are summer feeding programs. The one my school system is involved with offers 2 of the 3 meals per day, which 2 is determined by the people or person picking them up or having them delivered.

They are distributed at schools, daycares and delivered directly to neighborhoods and individual homes too.

It doesn't feed all that need it during the break, but it is a start that grows every year.



Yes, i just looked online and our local area has a summer feeding program for kids up to age 18 too.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 5:18:17 PM   
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They will never pass cutting food stamps. Too many moderate republicans have a conscience.


Voting to help the truly needy in a responsible manner, is not the same as affirming that everyone is "entitled" to this or that

What the alt left would do, would be far more destructive than allowing the poor to starve. Going steeply into debt so that leftists can buy votes with trillions in borrowed money is the surest path to destruction known so far for a democratic republic

Except perhaps for suicide by Muslim




We are deeply into debt. And it wasn't just the democrats who put us there.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 5:27:49 PM   
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23,000 families the last I remember, 2013 numbers.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 5:30:44 PM   
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What about Military families relying on SNAP?
23,000 families the last I remember, 2013 numbers.


They won't cut that either. They just want us to think they are heroes so they scare everyone.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 5:31:10 PM   
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http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/05/24/proposed-food-stamp-cuts-would-hit-military-families.html

Thank you google...
President Donald Trump's proposals to cut eligibility for food stamps would hit hard on thousands of military families who receive the benefit, the Pentagon said Tuesday.

"It's a very unfortunate situation," Army Lt. Gen. Anthony R. Ierardi, the Pentagon's Joint Staff Director for force structure, readiness and assessment, said of the difficulties of troops who have to resort to food stamps.

Ierardi did not immediately have an estimate on how many troops were on food stamps but said he had personally dealt with the problem of families struggling to meet their dietary needs in a previous post as a division commander. He said the military would seek to mitigate the impact on families if the proposed cuts to the food stamp program were approved by Congress.

Amy Bushatz of Military.com last year cited a report by the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office which said that the Department of Defense lacked the data or coordination with other federal agencies to keep an accurate track on how many troops were receiving food stamps.

The report found that about 23,000 active duty service members received food stamps in 2013, according to U.S. Census data. In addition, information from the Department of Defense Education Activity showed that in September 2015, 24 percent of 23,000 children in U.S. DoDEA schools were eligible for free meals, while 21 percent were eligible for reduced-price meals.

"While it is known that service members use food assistance programs and that information on recipients can be obtained, specific data on service members' use of these programs are not available because there is no requirement or need that has been established for agencies" to collect the information, the GAO report said.

In a White House briefing Monday on the budget, Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney indicated that the Trump administration was ready to press a crackdown on eligibility for food stamps and other benefits as part of sweeping cuts on federal anti-poverty programs.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 5:35:29 PM   
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They will never pass cutting food stamps. Too many moderate republicans have a conscience.


Voting to help the truly needy in a responsible manner, is not the same as affirming that everyone is "entitled" to this or that

What the alt left would do, would be far more destructive than allowing the poor to starve. Going steeply into debt so that leftists can buy votes with trillions in borrowed money is the surest path to destruction known so far for a democratic republic

Except perhaps for suicide by Muslim




We are deeply into debt. And it wasn't just the democrats who put us there.



Drain the swamp

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 5:39:36 PM   
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They will never pass cutting food stamps. Too many moderate republicans have a conscience.


Voting to help the truly needy in a responsible manner, is not the same as affirming that everyone is "entitled" to this or that

What the alt left would do, would be far more destructive than allowing the poor to starve. Going steeply into debt so that leftists can buy votes with trillions in borrowed money is the surest path to destruction known so far for a democratic republic

Except perhaps for suicide by Muslim




We are deeply into debt. And it wasn't just the democrats who put us there.



Drain the swamp

oh agreed, get rid of the nutsuckers and the Il Douchovitch administration. Drain the swamp.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 5:45:45 PM   
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What about Military families relying on SNAP?
23,000 families the last I remember, 2013 numbers.


They won't cut that either. They just want us to think they are heroes so they scare everyone.

Oh so the link is lying to you?
Tell me what would actually get to realise that this is not a hoax.
I get it might not affect you or yours, but really get a grip with reality over what the repubs ARE doing to americans millions of them.

DO you think that just before trump signs into law, its going to be APRIL FOOLS day?
WHy not look up how many times "benefits" have been cut, federally and state wide in the past 15 years,

I really dont expect the bill to pass in the present state, but why are the republicans so fucking despicable to even try it...... yet want to give all those cuts to the billionaires?

oh yeah, ahem, they are the job makers, that trickle....down,
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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 6:07:06 PM   
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the short answer is: "if a man will not work, he shall not eat"

if he cannot work, then the question is who's responsible to help feed him.

some will say the government.

others will say the man's family, friends, the church and the local charities and lastly, LOCAL government.

the latter is far more successful and ultimately, more humanizing.





But is there anything wrong with feeding those that do not have a support group? Is it in your heart to let someone starve simply because they do not fit your requirements? Would you let a child starve when they have no control over their lives? Seems pretty heartless to me.

Would it not be better to weed the loafers from the program rather then allow the innocent and truly needy to suffer?

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 6:10:55 PM   
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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 6:54:55 PM   
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It's a painful process to pull welfare from underneath from millions of people who uses it as their clutch.

But if the whole country is gonna transition into less reliant on government for their daily basic living. Something as basic as food.

I think hard decisions has to be made. And as I said, the result of this is. The only difference in the future is. When there is a gap for such programs to help these people. Private organizations will take over. People themselves who genuinely want to help these people will start their own thing, Feed the poor programs or whatever. It will basically get people more pro-active in wanting to help others and not rely on the government to do all that. In my country, all types of "welfare" programs are not even by the government. But by private organizations who voluntarily came up with their own and gets by through volunteer donations from the people who are worried about this matter and genuinely want to do something to help. Basically, we don't see this as the government's problem. But people who give a shit, work together, form organizations to provide this "welfare".

For me, the government job is to make sure they prudently spend taxpayers money, and I want to see a surplus year after year and not them spending taxpayers money on programs they cannot afford.

People are upset kids are gonna starve. I am upset parents have kids when they can't even feed themselves. Gawd that is Africa mentality! So basically, pop out kids, expect the government to feed your kids.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 7:07:55 PM   
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Basically, I think every American citizen should be "entitled" to eat, if that is not the case, what does America stand for?

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 7:12:18 PM   
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This is a complicated issue, with many layers related to it.

Basically, I think every American citizen should be "entitled" to eat, if that is not the case, what does America stand for?


Actually, historically America has stood for 'Freedom to fend for yourself'. We are traditionally a capitalist nation where you work to support yourself.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 7:45:07 PM   
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Actually, historically America has stood for 'Freedom to fend for yourself'. We are traditionally a capitalist nation where you work to support yourself.


It's like a child who wants freedom to make their own decisions but wants the parent to bail them out when they have consequences.

These are full grown adults treating the government like their nannies and parents. Expecting to be fed.

People shouldn't have children if they cannot afford it. This whole children starving thingy angers me. Because the cause of that problem is literally, I feel parents deliberately have kids so that they can use the kids for sympathy and get more welfare.

One of the prevalent problems with helping the "poor" with kids in my country is, even private organizations realise this. Alot of them have addiction problems. So cash in hand to them, feeling sorry they got kids to feed. Kids still starve, cash goes into feeding their addictions.

That's why people seriously got to tweak the way help works very carefully to make sure the kid is the one who benefits.

What's more effective for example is to have an after school centre where kids could attend, to basically get help with their school work, learn more educationally, and has free food provided and hang out.



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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/28/2017 7:49:42 PM   
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This is a complicated issue, with many layers related to it.

Basically, I think every American citizen should be "entitled" to eat, if that is not the case, what does America stand for?


Actually, historically America has stood for 'Freedom to fend for yourself'. We are traditionally a capitalist nation where you work to support yourself.


As far as it goes, yes, Americans do generally like to fend for themselves. But this has also always been a country that has been willing to help those in need. In the frontier west, if a farmer or rancher was sick or injured, the neighbors pitched in to get the work done. To get the crops planted and harvested, and the animals taken care of. During the Great Depressions there were soup kitchens to make sure people got something to eat. Today there are food banks, and programs to feed kids during the summer. And yes, there are programs like SNAP that are there to help people.

Sadly, there is getting to be more and more people that don't like that "help your neighbor" attitude. People that just say, "Don't have food? Tough shit." People that think it is more important to give tax breaks to the rich instead of helping the people that have lost their jobs to overseas manufacturers. Or helping single parents. Or helping the disabled. Yes, that is really making America great again, isn't it?

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