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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 6:44:41 AM

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Natural laws regarding the "right" to be made dependent on handouts:

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:04:13 AM

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while you might believe you are a "wild animal", most humans arent.
theres a reason for that.
I know its beyond you and your ilks ken, but nice try, no ceegar...

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:06:25 AM

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You may be a mindless alt left robot, sure

But the rest of us are mammalian animals

And our dna is almost exactly the same as chimpanzee dna

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:10:15 AM

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Chimpanzees are social animals.

If you think hard, you may be able to identify some differences. It's why (most of us) don't mate with them.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:14:25 AM

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Chimpanzees are social animals.

If you think hard, you may be able to identify some differences. It's why (most of us) don't mate with them.

Many mammals are social animals. Did you have a point other than the one on your tiny little troll head

Whales, wolves, groundhogs... All social animals

How many do well when made dependant on handouts

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:16:09 AM

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They look after their own.

We have become a nation without values, however. Not even animal values.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:17:22 AM

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They look after their own.

We have become a nation without values, however. Not even animal values.

In your make-believe world, some animals work for their food while other laze about waiting to be fed

That's really special

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:19:07 AM

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I know facts don't matter to you anymore than values.

Btw, you whine and whine about people calling you names, and here's a page of you doing little else.

Find some meaning in that empty life.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:20:07 AM

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America is a nation without values, morals, empathy etc. Animals is an apt generalisation.

They have forgotten what it is to be human.
UK isn't that far behind.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:21:39 AM

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They look after their own.

We have become a nation without values, however. Not even animal values.

I've got YOUR values, right here

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In Venezuela, because some people believe socialism is the answer to inequality, people starve

Venezuela descends into chaos. Its people, once the wealthiest in Latin America, starve. Even The New York Times runs headlines like "Dying Infants and No Medicine."

My Venezuelan-born friend Kenny says his relatives are speaking differently. Cousins who once answered "Fine" or "Good" when asked, "How are you?" now say, "We're eating."

Eating is a big deal in the country that's given birth to jokes about a "Venezuelan diet." A survey by three universities found 75 percent of Venezuelans lost an average 19 pounds this year.

So are American celebrities who championed Venezuela's "people's revolution" embarrassed? Will they admit they were wrong?

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:23:25 AM

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:25:09 AM

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Chimpanzees are social animals.

If you think hard, you may be able to identify some differences. It's why (most of us) don't mate with them.

Many mammals are social animals. Did you have a point other than the one on your tiny little troll head

Whales, wolves, groundhogs... All social animals

How many do well when made dependant on handouts

Whales and wolves work together to be sure everyone is fed. Groundhogs work together to avoid becoming food for predators. The key words there are "work together".

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:26:30 AM

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Forget the venezuelan diet - you need to go on a shit diet, because you have eaten so much that you are full of it

I love how all you empty-headed little trolls do is rely on fallacies. I love your dependance on name-calling in a "debate". If you had real arguments, you would look more like normal, well adjusted adults - rather than the juvenile, empty-headed mindless little alt left trolls that you are

Keep up the good work. I have always said you do more to elect conservatives (and President Trump) than anyone else ever could

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:27:48 AM

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Of course you do. That's your description, and if there's one thing you love, it's yourself.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:27:59 AM

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Whales and wolves work together to be sure everyone is fed. Groundhogs work together to avoid becoming food for predators. The key words there are "work together".

How many healthy ones sit on their stoops smoking reefers and chugging cheap liquor while waiting around for their handouts

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 7:29:03 AM

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How many need to, because things weren't allowed to get to that point.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 8:18:16 AM

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Do you believe in Jesus or and God - what were there take on all of this?

Anyway I thought all your presidents heard the voice of god in their heads

In god we trust - or are you telling me otherwise?

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 12:30:31 PM

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What food and shelter to you get because you are a human in nature? Fiddleheads in the spring? Mushrooms? A cave? A pile of leaves? I suppose it would depend on where your physical form is currently residing. I am pretty sure that self-defense is a much more "natural" right than food and shelter.

The question in this thread is not what do I get but what am I entitled to as an American.

In Nature man is at war with all other men; we fall into a “survival of the fittest” (Spencer) and life is “short and brutish” (Hobbes) Individual self-defense is inadequate.

That is why we formed a social contract and gave up some of our liberties to a central authority.

In addition, we have developed a high sense of moral authority which leads us to support each other. Poverty and hunger are immoral and a failure of the social contract.

Actually we are debating whether such a contract exists, right? I mean, if you read the book Stone Soup, everyone brought something.

But then there are the lame and mentally ill. Are they to be stopped at the door? I believe there is a social compact. I also believe it is continually violated by selfish, greedy, murderous people.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 12:42:48 PM

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What food and shelter to you get because you are a human in nature? Fiddleheads in the spring? Mushrooms? A cave? A pile of leaves? I suppose it would depend on where your physical form is currently residing. I am pretty sure that self-defense is a much more "natural" right than food and shelter.

The question in this thread is not what do I get but what am I entitled to as an American.

In Nature man is at war with all other men; we fall into a “survival of the fittest” (Spencer) and life is “short and brutish” (Hobbes) Individual self-defense is inadequate.

That is why we formed a social contract and gave up some of our liberties to a central authority.

In addition, we have developed a high sense of moral authority which leads us to support each other. Poverty and hunger are immoral and a failure of the social contract.

Actually we are debating whether such a contract exists, right? I mean, if you read the book Stone Soup, everyone brought something.

But then there are the lame and mentally ill. Are they to be stopped at the door? I believe there is a social compact. I also believe it is continually violated by selfish, greedy, murderous people.

The Russian folk story "Stone Soup" that was widely spread around primary schools in the Soviet Union as an example of how socialism is supposed to work?
Weird reference point for a libertarian trumptooner to produce, that.

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RE: Is every American is entitled to eat? - 5/31/2017 12:44:29 PM

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Vincent, if jesus himself is saying "you will always have the poor with you", then "poverty and hunger" are not failures of the social contract per se---they are a part of the fallen nature of the world.

Then you would have to put the blame on God.

in light of that "contract" consider our founding---"that governments are created to protect our inalienable rights (those that come from god)...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..."

that sentiment cannot rightly be construed to mean that governments exist to make sure we are fed, but rather that no man can take our lives, or our freedom, and that with our lives and freedom we can pursue our own course of actions.

But some suffer limitations beyond their control. Are we to step over and ignore the homeless schizophrenic who is slumped on the sidewalk? Or should we lift him up? Feeding and healing are part of the civil guarantee of Life, wouldn't you say?

if you find poverty and hunger immoral, that's commendable---I would ask you what you yourself are doing about it other than voting for politicians that want to coerce others through taxation to address the matter?

if you are indeed doing something---donating to food pantries, volunteering to cook or deliver meals, etc, then that is a right moral response.

What I do individually is besides the point of this debate.

if you are forcing me and others to do so by taking our money, even if the ends are "good", you have NOT done something morally good.

We are not forcing other than by legislative authority we have agreed upon that all must participate in the compact. It is civil "insurance" that we spread the risk among the healthy and wealthy.

Your notion of Liberty arises from the flawed writings of John Locke.

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