Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

Why do so many Americans fear Muslims?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? Page: [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 8:08:15 AM   
heavyblinker


Posts: 3623
Status: offline 		This is a great article.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/18/why-do-so-many-americans-fear-muslims-decades-of-denial-about-americas-role-in-the-world/

Of course the RWNJs will dismiss the Intercept as left-wing propaganda, but at the very least they are as hard on Obama and the Democrats as they are on Trump.

This is the most telling part:

quote:

Trump’s story about why it’s necessary is, factually speaking, garbage. But a normal human being can at least understand it and its moral: These incomprehensible foreigners are all potential psychotics, we’ve got to keep them out. Under these circumstances, who cares that no one from any of these seven countries has killed any Americans yet? They’re all part of a huge morass of ticking time bombs.
By contrast, the Democratic, liberal perspective laid out by Obama makes no sense at all. We’ve never done anything particularly bad in the Middle East, yet … some people over there want to come here and kill us because … they’ve been exploited by violent extremists who’ve perverted Islam and … gotta run, there’s no time to explain.
Regular people could sense that anyone mouthing this kind of gibberish was hiding something, even if they didn’t realize that Obama was trying to keep the U.S. empire running rather than concealing his secret faith in Islam.
And because a coherent narrative always beats the complete absence of a story, no one should be surprised that many Americans find Trump’s fantasy of inexplicable Muslim hatred persuasive.


The most pointless war(s) that have ever been fought, started for purely political reasons, maintained by people who realize endless war is profitable... have led us to Americans who find inspiration in Trump's ugliness simply because the Democrats know it would be political suicide to admit that America itself is to blame.
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 8:10:40 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline
quote:


Why do so many Americans fear Muslims?


Because they were told to, and facts don't matter.

(in reply to heavyblinker)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 8:19:02 AM   
heavyblinker


Posts: 3623
Status: offline 		Well, yes... but I don't think it only amounts to blind partisanship.
The Democrats need a new, much clearer narrative on ISIS if they're going to drum up support.

This Russia thing is a scandal and if it's a means to impeachment then great, but it doesn't affect anyone personally except Trump and his administration.

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 8:21:59 AM   
kdsub


Posts: 12180
Joined: 8/16/2007
Status: offline 		I think it makes no difference how political a war is... The bottom line is we should all fear ANY religion whose members think it is their God's will to destroy us.

Butch

_____________________________

Mark Twain:

I don't see any use in having a uniform and arbitrary way of spelling words. We might as well make all clothes alike and cook all dishes alike. Sameness is tiresome; variety is pleasing

(in reply to heavyblinker)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 8:22:28 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline 		Well, it seems a trite comparison here, but if I have a business presentation/pitch, when I'm done with content and data, I go back and structure it around stories. Because stories work.

(in reply to heavyblinker)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 8:24:46 AM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline 		all wars are purely political and created by zionists who have undermined most of the gubmints of the western world and established a theocracy in europe, now america.

_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to heavyblinker)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 8:26:50 AM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

I think it makes no difference how political a war is... The bottom line is we should all fear ANY religion whose members think it is their God's will to destroy us.

Butch



never had a muslim impose their religion on me but the gubmint does all the time.

_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to kdsub)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 8:36:37 AM   
Greta75


Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline 		FR
I tell ya what I don't like about Islam

1) Bacon slowly disappearing from every food places, like where I am, it's almost impossible to get ceasar salad with authentic real pork bacon bits at any salad places anymore, and you can almost be sure BLT sandwiches all don't have real Bacon in it anymore! It's all Turkey Bacon! And I can't get a bacon cheeseburger with real bacon anymore! All of these to please 13% of the population of the country! I mentioned this before but subways in the UK threw out bacon from their menu too. Pork ham too! BTW! Ya can't get simple ham and cheese sandwich with real pork ham anymore in my country too. It's all chicken ham or turkey ham.

2) This isn't my country problem but "Feminists" in the US thinking that covering up is super cool because men will respect them for their brains and not their bodies, which I personally find very insulting to women liberation in Muslim countries where women don't have that choice whether to cover up or not.

3) When you read about schools in the US delaying prom dinners to after Ramadan break fast, it's like WTF! I assume a high school has about 500 to 1000 students, so food gets delayed because of 24 muslim students? More of this type of majority catering to minority is gonna happen and it only happens specifically for Muslim people but not anybody else. That is like if there were 24 vegans, and then not serving meat at all at the Prom. People would get mad at vegans! But in companies now, just because of 24 Muslims, they can't eat at places where it's non-halal. They don't give such consideration to Buddhist vegetarians or Hindu Vegetarians. It's exclusive to Muslims.

Too much special treatment given to Muslims is my biggest problem! Why do we bend for them? Why exclusively them?

Can you imagine Hindu and Buddhist do not eat beef at all, and if every year, company functions cannot serve beef anymore because of a few Hindu and Buddhists in the company? And basically all places cannot serve steaks or beef burgers anymore in sensitivity to Buddhist and Hindu special diet of no beef. Also Beef are so revered in those religion as like the holy cow! It would be rude to eat beef infront of a Hindu or Buddhist isn't it? It's like never heard of to stop eating beef in respect of those 2 religions. But with Muslims, we gotta abstain from pork infront of them.

And when I think about it, at least I know in Buddhism, the cow actually saved Buddha's life and out of respect to the cow, we aren't suppose to eat them to thank them for saving Buddha's life. That is kinda a nice reason.

With Muslims, they don't eat pork just because they think pork is dirty.

And what kind of religion say that Man's Best Friend, the Dog are dirty creatures too! In my country, Muslims are not permitted to associate with Dogs too! Can't touch them or have any contact with them!

It's like Dogs are the most loyal animal on earth to humans and Muslims vilify them!

< Message edited by Greta75 -- 5/29/2017 8:45:40 AM >

(in reply to Real0ne)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 8:42:30 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline 		1) It's not for exclusively them.
2) Because we're considerate.
3) It's not a big deal to eat slightly later.

Bacon. That's your biggest problem.

Well, here, there's bacon everywhere and in everything.

Btw, it's common at functions to have vegetarian or vegan entrees as well. Not a big deal.

(in reply to Greta75)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 8:51:34 AM   
Greta75


Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Bacon. That's your biggest problem.

Well, here, there's bacon everywhere and in everything.

For now until Islam takes over! Say bye bye to Pork Ham or Bacon for the rest of your life! Because how it starts is Muslim will complain about employment discrimination by these food establishments serving pork in their restaurants or fast food restaurants which discriminates against them from getting a job as they cannot work in a pork environment. That's how it all starts.

quote:

Btw, it's common at functions to have vegetarian or vegan entrees as well. Not a big deal.

I have no problem supplying Muslims with pork-free food specially for them. If only that would be good enough to make them happy and they could accept that arrangement.

But Muslims NEEDS the EVERYBODY to abstain from pork for them to be able to dine with us. So it would be like Vegans expecting EVERYBODY to abstain from meat for Vegans to be able to participate in a company dinner function.

Over here, if the place isn't pork free, the Muslims are boycotting the company dinner function. As they feel it's rude and insensitive to them to go to a place that serves pork.

It would be the same as Vegans getting upset to have to go to a place that serves meat.


< Message edited by Greta75 -- 5/29/2017 8:52:01 AM >

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 8:54:23 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		Islam isnt going to take over, Jews have not made any kind of dent in our fucking bacon eating, nor will muslims.


_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to Greta75)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 8:55:05 AM   
heavyblinker


Posts: 3623
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Well, it seems a trite comparison here, but if I have a business presentation/pitch, when I'm done with content and data, I go back and structure it around stories. Because stories work.


No, no... that's definitely it, and the point of the article was that Trump's logical delusions hit home harder than the Democrats' deliberate vagueness.

I keep wondering if Americans are ready to vote for someone who openly says 'it's our own fault-- we murdered their families, destroyed their economy, and now they have turned into this... but instead of denying that we did this and then wondering why they want to kill us, let's take steps to repair the damage'

Probably not.

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 8:57:22 AM   
Greta75


Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Islam isnt going to take over, Jews have not made any kind of dent in our fucking bacon eating, nor will muslims.

I have never met a jewish person who kick up a big fuss about people eating pork around them the way Muslims get really offended and upset. I don't think it's comparable.

Muslims seriously boycott company functions, getting very very upset, feeling like they are forced to skip the company function because the company chose to hold it in a restaurant that serves pork. It's often a big issue. HR in order to have harmony, has no choice but to choose restaurants with no pork in them.


(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 8:58:40 AM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Islam isnt going to take over, Jews have not made any kind of dent in our fucking bacon eating, nor will muslims.




why would they the zionists run the joint.

_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 9:00:18 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		No, they dont, you dont go down to the sons of zion cafe and get blts. sorry.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to Real0ne)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 9:00:48 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Bacon. That's your biggest problem.

Well, here, there's bacon everywhere and in everything.

For now until Islam takes over! Say bye bye to Pork Ham or Bacon for the rest of your life! Because how it starts is Muslim will complain about employment discrimination by these food establishments serving pork in their restaurants or fast food restaurants which discriminates against them from getting a job as they cannot work in a pork environment. That's how it all starts.

quote:

Btw, it's common at functions to have vegetarian or vegan entrees as well. Not a big deal.

I have no problem supplying Muslims with pork-free food specially for them. If only that would be good enough to make them happy and they could accept that arrangement.

But Muslims NEEDS the EVERYBODY to abstain from pork for them to be able to dine with us. So it would be like Vegans expecting EVERYBODY to abstain from meat for Vegans to be able to participate in a company dinner function.

Over here, if the place isn't pork free, the Muslims are boycotting the company dinner function. As they feel it's rude and insensitive to them to go to a place that serves pork.

It would be the same as Vegans getting upset to have to go to a place that serves meat.


There's not a hint of truth to any of this.

Totally your imagination.

Sorry your country sucks (in your view).

(in reply to Greta75)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 9:03:38 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Well, it seems a trite comparison here, but if I have a business presentation/pitch, when I'm done with content and data, I go back and structure it around stories. Because stories work.


No, no... that's definitely it, and the point of the article was that Trump's logical delusions hit home harder than the Democrats' deliberate vagueness.

I keep wondering if Americans are ready to vote for someone who openly says 'it's our own fault-- we murdered their families, destroyed their economy, and now they have turned into this... but instead of denying that we did this and then wondering why they want to kill us, let's take steps to repair the damage'

Probably not.

It's true Democrats lost their way -- first being too spineless to take a stand during the Bush years, then deciding maybe they should be an outright corporate party too, instead of standing for anything worth supporting (except that Clinton was a woman and she wasn't Trump).

(in reply to heavyblinker)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 9:09:43 AM   
Greta75


Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
There's not a hint of truth to any of this.

Totally your imagination.


Well, wait and see.
Depending on the type of Muslims. You'd see they want breaks for their 5 times a day prayers too.

I tell ya, I hate all this special shit. When I was a waitress, I used to hate smokers, because smokers keep getting loads of smoke breaks, while non-smokers like me get zero breaks because I don't smoke.

So ya got these Muslims who got their 5 times a day prayers, and they need about 15 to 20 minutes each time to perform these prayers, and get all the breaks to do that, and I don't get any breaks because I'm a non-Muslim.

I hate all these special nonsense!

quote:

Sorry your country sucks (in your view)

My country is an example of bending over backwards for Muslims. They get 4 wives legally. They get their pre pubescent marriage and divorce. And basically alot of accommodation for their religion. Their female babies can legally get circumcised.

13% of them gets entitled to all these special privileges. And out of religious sensitivity. Just like the Ramadan Prom thingy where you see nothing wrong in delaying dinner for everybody to be sensitive to Muslims who are fasting, everything becomes about only specifically being sensitive to Muslims.

< Message edited by Greta75 -- 5/29/2017 9:11:13 AM >

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 9:13:02 AM   
BoscoX


Posts: 11260
Joined: 12/10/2016
Status: online 		For the same reason we once feared Nazis

They're a mass murdering fascist cult of personality

Slaughtered 270 million innocents so far and counting. Enslaves entire national populations to the demands of their pig god Allah, as dictated by Mohammad and other false prophets. "Prophets" who would be laughable if 95% of the armed conflicts happening right now on this planet didn't involve Muslims

The Koran tells them to lie to you about their intentions, and they have historically waited until their numbers were sufficient before seizing control

Islam is very young compared to real religions etc, yet in many Islamic states all other peoples have been utterly decimated

History speaks to you, open your ears


_____________________________

Thought Criminal

(in reply to heavyblinker)
Profile   Post #: 19
RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? - 5/29/2017 9:14:21 AM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline 		no need they come to you spreading their damobcracy.

_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 20
Page:   [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? Page: [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094