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Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/19/2017 8:35:39 AM   
WickedsDesire


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Status: offline 		Chicago goes high-tech in search of answers to gun crime surge

Just take the fuking guns off the lot of them- How high tech is that?

....The strategic centres were established in February after more than 4,000 shootings and 762 homicides in 2016 - a massive 59% increase on the previous year and more murders than New York and LA combined. President Trump threatened in January to "send in the Feds" if the city didn't fix "the horrible carnage".....pretty graphs if you scroll down a wee bit in the article

nevertheless remind me never to go Chicago

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/19/2017 3:51:24 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		You are a fucking idiot. there are practically no gun shops in Chicago. The guns are brought in from surronunding aread over which they have no jurisdiction, as gun o phobes have said repeatedy.

If the ready avilability of guns is the cause of gun crime, then how come those other communuties are not experiencing a surge in gun crimes ?

Nobody has ever been able to make any argument here, can you ? Oh, the answer is to take away gun rights from people in these safer communities because some gangs want to have a war ? Are you just going to keep taking away people's rights all the time ?

Go right ahead because there are 100 million of us who will not put up with it and we will show you how to kill. We built this civilisation and we are not going to let you take it apart.

You go ahead and give up yoyr guns and when you come here to impose your libersal asshole mamby pamby views on us we will just shoot you.

Fair enough ?

I am done with the bullshit. I am one of the last true conservatives, and I have ZERO relations with the republicans of today.

If you keep on destroying the civilisation it took us 6,000 fucking years to build, we will have something to say about it.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/19/2017 4:54:03 PM   
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So now we are up to 85% WD OP Flood.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/19/2017 6:10:11 PM   
WinsomeDefiance


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Status: offline 		I won't even drive through Chicago, which is a shame, as My unofficially adopted son and granddaughter live just outside Chicago.

I hate to say this, but there are areas in Detroit, Chicago and other big cities where the police just won't go. There are also innocent children and families in those areas. If the President decides to send in the Feds to disarm civilians, it could get ugly real fast.

They may be gang bangers, but many of them are children. With racial and political tensions the way they are now, it could only take one dead child to spark a shitstorm of trouble.


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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/19/2017 7:40:38 PM   
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I won't even drive through Chicago, which is a shame, as My unofficially adopted son and granddaughter live just outside Chicago.

I hate to say this, but there are areas in Detroit, Chicago and other big cities where the police just won't go. There are also innocent children and families in those areas. If the President decides to send in the Feds to disarm civilians, it could get ugly real fast.

They may be gang bangers, but many of them are children. With racial and political tensions the way they are now, it could only take one dead child to spark a shitstorm of trouble.



Disarming the civilians is unconstitutional.
Disarming the gangbangers is another matter.
With the level those cities have decsended to the guard would likely be needed and it would be house to house fighting like Nam.
You are right, one kid gets hurt and the people fixing the problem, not the ones who let it get this bad, would cathch hell for it.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/19/2017 8:18:45 PM   
WinsomeDefiance


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Status: offline 		"Disarming the civilians is unconstitutional"

So is unlawful search and seizure.

How exactly are the Feds going to do what police gang task forces and drug enforcement task forces aren't doing?

I thought Feds had to be invited in, unless a crime falls under Federal Jurisdiction. Murder doesn't typically fall under Federal jurisdiction (as I understand it) so the President inserting Feds (who usually aren't interested in murder cases) would be stepping all over the toes of local LEO's, as well as raising all sorts of civil right violation concerns. People owning guns unlawfully aren't going to just hand them in - so what is the President expecting to happen?

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/19/2017 8:42:35 PM   
servantforuse


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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/19/2017 8:55:12 PM   
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"Disarming the civilians is unconstitutional"

So is unlawful search and seizure.

How exactly are the Feds going to do what police gang task forces and drug enforcement task forces aren't doing?

I thought Feds had to be invited in, unless a crime falls under Federal Jurisdiction. Murder doesn't typically fall under Federal jurisdiction (as I understand it) so the President inserting Feds (who usually aren't interested in murder cases) would be stepping all over the toes of local LEO's, as well as raising all sorts of civil right violation concerns. People owning guns unlawfully aren't going to just hand them in - so what is the President expecting to happen?


Murder doesn't fall under Federal juristiction, unless local authorities ask for help.
There are, however many Federal gun laws which they don't need local approval to go after.
Anytime a gangbanger is picked up for anything and have a firearm the Feds can prosecute to the max.
Taking away those guns which are legally owbed would do no good, we just go back to only the gangs have guns.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/20/2017 12:08:07 AM   
Greta75


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Status: offline 		chicago is an example of lib gun laws failures. As I said, this is the USA. Banning guns literally means only bad guys will have access to guns. And all the good guys will be left defenseless. Their police force is incompetent.

That's what banning guns in US would mean. It would be like Chicago.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/20/2017 12:09:56 AM   
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So now we are up to 85% WD OP Flood.


I think people who don't bother contributing to more interesting OP on a regular basis shouldn't comment on one of the only person bothering to come up with OP's for discussions.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/20/2017 3:32:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: Edwird

So now we are up to 85% WD OP Flood.


I think people who don't bother contributing to more interesting OP on a regular basis shouldn't comment on one of the only person bothering to come up with OP's for discussions.


Yeah but some of us are getting sick of the drivel from an asshole who has no horse in this race.

Why doesn't he post something about his own country ?

And shit like this is not even international, he is just criticising. And not being constructive at all. And he has the gall to pick on our President who has done shit he could never do in his best day. He can go fuck himself.

That asshole tries to flood this forum to make it look like the liberals are in the majority, when in fact they are just more mouthy. The People of this country spoke last November and it is over. And he still has no horse in the race. Unless he is lying and actually does live in the US.

God damn that is a scary thought, I would not want him here under any conditions.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/20/2017 5:20:34 AM   
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Go right ahead because there are 100 million of us
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Roll call must be a bitch.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/20/2017 5:34:42 AM   
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Go right ahead because there are 100 million of us
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Roll call must be a bitch.

No wonder he's so scared of the moslems: they have his lot way outnumbered if there's only 100 million in his crew.


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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/20/2017 5:43:28 AM   
Greta75


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Yeah but some of us are getting sick of the drivel from an asshole who has no horse in this race.

Why doesn't he post something about his own country ?

And shit like this is not even international, he is just criticising. And not being constructive at all. And he has the gall to pick on our President who has done shit he could never do in his best day. He can go fuck himself.

That asshole tries to flood this forum to make it look like the liberals are in the majority, when in fact they are just more mouthy. The People of this country spoke last November and it is over. And he still has no horse in the race. Unless he is lying and actually does live in the US.

God damn that is a scary thought, I would not want him here under any conditions.

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Lol, you know I am a Trump supporter, but the entire Europe is anti-Trump, that's expected.

Europe is majority Liberal.

Being a foreigner, I find American politics and system more interesting to discuss than my own country. The thing is, I am happy and content with my own government. Like, even our recent "scandal", our PM said that he is gonna deal with this as transparently as possible and invited all the oppositions to come out with their toughest questions and leave no stones unturn. He will answer everything to everyone's satisfaction. And this will be broad cast live on national TV, the interrogation process. As his siblings accuse him of abuse of power to stop the demolition of their father's home and wanting to preserve the father's home for political purposes.

And I just feel good that our PM works like that. And how crazy that the biggest issue in our country right now, is that squabble between PM and his siblings that is family feuding made public. The worst thing that happened recently in my country is probably someone killed an otter for food. And we only have 60 wild otters which we lovingly think are cute to have around and everybody is outrage!

But I agree UK is one big mess right now. But the problem is, every time there is topics about UK politics, nobody really participates as Americans are the majority here.

And there are very little interesting new topics either way.


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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/20/2017 5:44:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I won't even drive through Chicago, which is a shame, as My unofficially adopted son and granddaughter live just outside Chicago.

I hate to say this, but there are areas in Detroit, Chicago and other big cities where the police just won't go. There are also innocent children and families in those areas. If the President decides to send in the Feds to disarm civilians, it could get ugly real fast.

They may be gang bangers, but many of them are children. With racial and political tensions the way they are now, it could only take one dead child to spark a shitstorm of trouble.



Disarming the civilians is unconstitutional.
Disarming the gangbangers is another matter.
With the level those cities have decsended to the guard would likely be needed and it would be house to house fighting like Nam.
You are right, one kid gets hurt and the people fixing the problem, not the ones who let it get this bad, would cathch hell for it.


Gangbangers ARE civilians.
If it isn't nation-wide, gun control isn't going to work.

So either people like you and the GOP stop blocking it, or just admit that you are willing to accept higher gun crime rates simply because you love to daydream about killing imaginary threats to your safety, hunting liberals and feeling like a big man.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/20/2017 5:46:52 AM   
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Why doesn't he post something about his own country ?


Because it wouldn't be as fun.
America is a hilariously gaudy shitshow of epic proportions.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/20/2017 6:44:50 AM   
WinsomeDefiance


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Why doesn't he post something about his own country ?


Because it wouldn't be as fun.
America is a hilariously gaudy shitshow of epic proportions.


American politics maybe, but America is beautiful. Individual states have blended different cultures into unique flavors of dining and living. The landscapes and climates are varied. In most places, the people are friendly and helpful and pull together in times of need.

America is neither gaudy, nor a shitshow.

As far as I can tell, politics across the globe are a cesspool of corruption.

Even in Detroit, a city know. For its violence and people being too afraid or indifferent to help others, my first day there I locked my keys in my truck and Kay said, "This is Detroit, no one here is going to help us." Within a few minutes there were 6 people trying to help and the store clerk offered us free water.

I think you find what you attract, and see what isn't around you but in you.


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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/20/2017 7:19:12 AM   
WinsomeDefiance


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I won't even drive through Chicago, which is a shame, as My unofficially adopted son and granddaughter live just outside Chicago.

I hate to say this, but there are areas in Detroit, Chicago and other big cities where the police just won't go. There are also innocent children and families in those areas. If the President decides to send in the Feds to disarm civilians, it could get ugly real fast.

They may be gang bangers, but many of them are children. With racial and political tensions the way they are now, it could only take one dead child to spark a shitstorm of trouble.



Disarming the civilians is unconstitutional.
Disarming the gangbangers is another matter.
With the level those cities have decsended to the guard would likely be needed and it would be house to house fighting like Nam.
You are right, one kid gets hurt and the people fixing the problem, not the ones who let it get this bad, would cathch hell for it.


Gangbangers ARE civilians.
If it isn't nation-wide, gun control isn't going to work.

So either people like you and the GOP stop blocking it, or just admit that you are willing to accept higher gun crime rates simply because you love to daydream about killing imaginary threats to your safety, hunting liberals and feeling like a big man.


Yes, gang members are civilians. I agree. Whether they can legally be in possession of a firearm depends on if they have a felony.

Which, these days damn near everything is a felony. It is ridiculous.

Our problem, in America, is the damn war on drugs which has created an endless supply of poverty stricken youths trying to make money and getting pulled into a system where they are treated like animals and come out better and smarter criminals who recruit more young kids that perpetuate the cycle.

Our problem is, lawful gun owners aren't giving our guns to criminals, corrupt cops, officials and theft are putting guns into hands of them. Even if every damn lawful gun owning person were to surrender our guns, our corrupt system would happily sell the criminals guns.

So, yes. I accept that America has a higher rate of deaths by guns than other countries. I legally own and register my guns. I'm not apologizing for doing so.

America has its flaws, but no more so than any other country if you look close enough.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/20/2017 7:26:45 AM   
WinsomeDefiance


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Status: offline 		Also, I'm not picking on you HeavyBlinker. I just realized I quoted you twice in a row. I woke up feisty today, no offense was intended in my posts.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/20/2017 8:07:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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Why doesn't he post something about his own country ?


Because it wouldn't be as fun.
America is a hilariously gaudy shitshow of epic proportions.


and of course he does, only the UK is interested, nutsuckers dismissing them as socialist and sharia law and muslim, and liberals too busy laughing at the retardation of the nutsuckers to further comment.

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