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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/21/2017 1:06:10 PM   
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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/21/2017 1:24:59 PM   
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You do know that straw purchases are illegal so those guns are still illegally obtained.


I know I'm wasting my time here, but you do realize that my point wasn't whether or not they're illegal, but that straw purchases are made exceedingly easy by the widespread availability of guns?

So you think that penalizing the legal purchasers is the solution.
Its not as easy as you think, but it hasn't been prosecuted in the past.
Sessions says he is going to prosecute and his history says he will do it.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/21/2017 1:30:41 PM   
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You are clearly unaware of the fact that a gun dealer has to account for every one of their firearms to ATF, those who sell them illegally do keep their liscense long and go to jail. And again any firearms obtained this way are obtained illegally, so we have that one covered by law as well.


Oh, so I guess criminals aren't getting guns at all because the law is apparently stopping them.

That's good to know.

You know I didn't say that, I want those laws enforced. But you want to penalize the legitimate owners, cut the avaliability sounds so nutral but what it means is nail the legitimate owners and hope it trickels down to the criminals. That worked so well in DC.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/21/2017 1:37:16 PM   
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So you think that penalizing the legal purchasers is the solution..

Automatic jail time and additional criminal proceedings if the firearm is connected to a prior crime (regardless of who committed it) for illegal guns would be a lot simpler, but that would penalise law abiding gun owners who can't be bothered to license their firearms as well.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/21/2017 1:49:41 PM   
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So you think that penalizing the legal purchasers is the solution..

Automatic jail time and additional criminal proceedings if the firearm is connected to a prior crime (regardless of who committed it) for illegal guns would be a lot simpler, but that would penalise law abiding gun owners who can't be bothered to license their firearms as well.

Additional penalties fo the use of a firearm in a crime would be a good start, only hits the criminal.
Possesing a firearm when it is illegal for you to would be another good step, for some reason those offenses haven't been prosecuted, Sessions says he is going to change that.
Problem with going after previous owners by your standard is that while you are clearly unaware of this many places don't have firearms registration.
Additional time if a firearm was used in a previous crime by someone else is perhaps easy, but unfortunatly for your plan, it is just a tad unconstitutional.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/21/2017 1:55:47 PM   
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The problem isn't guns, it is the people who missuse them. Then of course there are the morons that think criminals would be good people if only good people couldn't get guns.


I got an idea. Just let them kill us with their pots and bottles or whatever. And then when we are dead, with their degrees in fucking basketweaving they can figure out how to build bridges, airports and highways.

How come all the people I know who are useful are not liberals ? The liberals either got a government job or are getting a check, and plenty of medication usually.

Notice how those pills used to be called medicine but are now called medication ?

Or did perhaps "medication" take your curiousity down to the point where you just swallow what the spoon out ?

As a race, humans are repulsive.

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And the biggest problem is that people like you are able to get guns.


Umm, YUP. Now what ? The supreme court has spoken, the Constitution has spoken.

YOU deal with it.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/21/2017 2:04:52 PM   
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The problem isn't guns, it is the people who missuse them. Then of course there are the morons that think criminals would be good people if only good people couldn't get guns.


I got an idea. Just let them kill us with their pots and bottles or whatever. And then when we are dead, with their degrees in fucking basketweaving they can figure out how to build bridges, airports and highways.

How come all the people I know who are useful are not liberals ? The liberals either got a government job or are getting a check, and plenty of medication usually.

Notice how those pills used to be called medicine but are now called medication ?

Or did perhaps "medication" take your curiousity down to the point where you just swallow what the spoon out ?

As a race, humans are repulsive.

T^T


And the biggest problem is that people like you are able to get guns.


And you really think I would shoot someone for no good reason ?

Is that projection ? A noted psychiatrist said that via projection, people think that because they might shoot someone over a trivial issue like a parking spot, they think that others would too.

Well that is not true. Oh, what she said is (go to JPFO and look up "Raging Against Self Defense) true, but your conception, even th0ough you have not iterated it, is that you do not trust other people in your presence when they have easy deadly force.

She says that this is projection, that you lack confidence in your own self control and therefore think others are also out of control.

Do you even understand the concept of this ? Of psychological projection ? This is easily found on the net, from reputable sources all over the place.

I have had guns most of my life and never shot anyone. Then there are people who have had a gin for five minutes and blasted a half dozen people to bits. Are you liberals so goddamn stupid as to not realize that these are different people with different values ?

Seems so. And I see no sign of it improving. Maybe we should have a gunfight.

Bring your knife.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/21/2017 2:07:48 PM   
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No one shoots anyone for no good reason -- they always think it's a good reason at the time.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/21/2017 2:17:26 PM   
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Do you know how many beetles songs I know? None - true ;)

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/21/2017 2:19:37 PM   
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40 000-50 000 of you dumbfuks shoot each other or yourself each year - did they all have good reasons do you think?

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/21/2017 2:22:11 PM   
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Do you know how many beetles songs I know? None - true ;)

It's "Beatles", not "Beetles".
Not even Help or Hey Jude?

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/21/2017 2:29:27 PM   
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Dont spell waffle me Mr Swanky Pants

Oh! hei Jude - ye heard that one I wager you no others though

Who were wings then?

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/21/2017 2:35:05 PM   
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Wings were the band McCartney formed between his first and second shitty solo records after leaving the Beatles. Despite his poor reputation as a solo artist, they did some great stuff, including the best Bond song of the '70s.

As for the Beatles, are you sure you've never heard I Am The Walrus or Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds?

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/21/2017 2:38:25 PM   
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Ah I did that song couple weeks ago....His best bond film imo

But honestly the Beatles and Stones I know shag all about - Paint it black, Jumping cock rash, and Bowie duet dancing on the straight people.

But other than that oh Christ monty python it is then

and all roads lead to Rome

better chuck in one for boscox too

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 4:12:46 AM   
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You are clearly unaware of the fact that a gun dealer has to account for every one of their firearms to ATF, those who sell them illegally do keep their liscense long and go to jail. And again any firearms obtained this way are obtained illegally, so we have that one covered by law as well.


Oh, so I guess criminals aren't getting guns at all because the law is apparently stopping them.

That's good to know.

You know I didn't say that, I want those laws enforced. But you want to penalize the legitimate owners, cut the avaliability sounds so nutral but what it means is nail the legitimate owners and hope it trickels down to the criminals. That worked so well in DC.


If it's simply bringing the US in line with every other country in the world that doesn't have mass shootings on a constant basis, is it really 'penalizing' people?
I don't understand why guns are so important to you... you're seriously acting like it's the same thing as taking away your right to vote or get an education.
You're addicted to feeling powerful, that's all-- you're sicker, not safer.

Gun control isn't going to work unless it's nationwide... I've said this.
It's not really gun control if someone can drive for 3 hours and easily pick up a gun to bring back and use in a crime.

It isn't trickle down if you reduce the overall supply.
Trickle down is what happens now-- you give some people unlimited access to guns and those guns trickle down into the hands of people who shouldn't be able to get them.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 8:49:54 AM   
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So you think that penalizing the legal purchasers is the solution..

Automatic jail time and additional criminal proceedings if the firearm is connected to a prior crime (regardless of who committed it) for illegal guns would be a lot simpler, but that would penalise law abiding gun owners who can't be bothered to license their firearms as well.


You do realize that gun registration is an exception and not the rule in the U.S. There is no "gun registration" except in a few regressive states.

From a quick google search"
https://www.google.com/search?q=states+requiring+registry+of+firearms&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Which states require gun registration?
States that Require Registration of Pre-Ban Assault Weapons, 50 Caliber Rifles, and/or Large Capacity Magazines: Six states (California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, and New York) have banned assault weapons,34 but allow continued possession of such weapons if they were lawfully owned on a specified date ...


And from:
http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/gun-owner-responsibilities/registration-of-firearms/
<b>
Summary of State Law

Six states and the District of Columbia require registration of some or all firearms. Hawaii and the District of Columbia require the registration of all firearms, and New York requires the registration of all handguns through its licensing law.10 Hawaii, New York and four other states also have a registration system for certain highly dangerous firearms, such as assault weapons. These states generally ban such firearms, but allow the continued possession of grandfathered weapons if they were owned before the ban was adopted and are registered. For more information about such laws, see our summaries on Assault Weapons, 50 Caliber Weapons, and Large Capacity Ammunition Magazines.

Additional states require the reporting of firearm sales and transfers to a state or local agency, which maintains these records. For information about such laws, see our summary on Maintaining Records & Reporting Gun Sales. California and Maryland also require new residents to report certain firearms that they bring into the state.

Conversely, eight states have statutes prohibiting them from maintaining a registry of firearms except in limited circumstances.</b>

I tend to do a giggle-snort every time a television mentions something like "and the gun was not registered". Too many people think that a firearm registry is an actual thing in the majority of the states. Nope, snowflakes, it isn't and had even been ruled as an invasion of privacy in some jurisdictions. Entertainment out of Hollyweird tends to have subtle propaganda like "gun registration" woven into the majority of scripts.

I listen to the arguments and consider. The anti-gun propaganda doesn't hold up in a statistical analysis. Attempts to get the emotions to override any semblance of critical thinking on the subject just confuse the issue. History has shown that disarming a populace is a precursor of totalitarianism over and over. Let's not go down that road again.

Added to the mixture is a difference of concept in what a government is intended to do. I'm talking the debate that is older than the U.S.; Jeffersonian vs Hamiltonian ideal of government. One side considers the purpose of government to protect personal, individual, liberty from enemies both foreign and domestic. The other side considers the purpose of government to control the population for the common weal administered by their betters.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 8:57:32 AM   
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"regressive"? LOL!

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 8:59:22 AM   
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And the biggest problem is that people like you are able to get guns.


Translation - the government should pick and choose who gets guns and who doesn't

(President Trump and the Republican congress)


No, fuckface... ideally people who actually understand things like mental illness and right versus wrong would be the ones making the decisions.

So then, not you. So then, your opinion isn't worth crap.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 9:56:29 AM   
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And the biggest problem is that people like you are able to get guns.


Translation - the government should pick and choose who gets guns and who doesn't

(President Trump and the Republican congress)


No, fuckface... ideally people who actually understand things like mental illness and right versus wrong would be the ones making the decisions.

So then, not you. So then, your opinion isn't worth crap.


I don't need to personally identify everyone who is mentally ill to say that there should be tighter controls when it comes to handing mentally ill people like Termyn8or gun permits.
You're not even making sense.

BTW, your opinion isn't worth crap because you're objectively a fucking moron who can't argue a coherent point.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 10:01:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
And the biggest problem is that people like you are able to get guns.


Translation - the government should pick and choose who gets guns and who doesn't

(President Trump and the Republican congress)


No, fuckface... ideally people who actually understand things like mental illness and right versus wrong would be the ones making the decisions.

So then, not you. So then, your opinion isn't worth crap.


I don't need to personally identify everyone who is mentally ill to say that there should be tighter controls when it comes to handing mentally ill people like Termyn8or gun permits.
You're not even making sense.

BTW, your opinion isn't worth crap because you're objectively a fucking moron who can't argue a coherent point.

Lol, there you go. Someone doesn't agree with you they don't know anything. Your basic argument. You do it so coherently too.

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