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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

Knock the animal unconscious by driving a bolt in the animal's skull (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol) or electrocute with electrodes, then cut the throat.

The whole point of bolt in animal skull is like a bullet in the head. If done to precision correctness. The animal will die a peaceful and quick instant death. As a human being, I will choose death by bolt to skull BEFORE I choose death by throat being slit.

I am sure bolt to skull will help me die faster!

Whatever you been "informing" yourself with is just Vegan people trying to make people stop eating ALL meat nonsense claiming that sometimes the bolt miss some vital points and the animal fails to die. But that is precision machine failure which can be fixed and improved to perform with more accuracy.
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Whatever you think how it works - it does not work that way at all.
The usual machinery is non-penetrating since the days of mad cows disease. Not a matter of precision, a matter of avoiding spreading brain mass all over and into the animal.

It has nothing to do with what method you would prefer to be applied to you.

Short version: Knockout, not kill.
Kill by throat cut - for centuries, until present and into foreseeable future. Anywhere, any religion involved, no religion involved.


The animal does, however, not fail to die any way.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

Knock the animal unconscious by driving a bolt in the animal's skull (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol) or electrocute with electrodes, then cut the throat.

The whole point of bolt in animal skull is like a bullet in the head. If done to precision correctness. The animal will die a peaceful and quick instant death. As a human being, I will choose death by bolt to skull BEFORE I choose death by throat being slit.

I am sure bolt to skull will help me die faster!

Whatever you been "informing" yourself with is just Vegan people trying to make people stop eating ALL meat nonsense claiming that sometimes the bolt miss some vital points and the animal fails to die. But that is precision machine failure which can be fixed and improved to perform with more accuracy.
...

Whatever you think how it works - it does not work that way at all.
The usual machinery is non-penetrating since the days of mad cows disease. Not a matter of precision, a matter of avoiding spreading brain mass all over and into the animal.

It has nothing to do with what method you would prefer to be applied to you.

Short version: Knockout, not kill.
Kill by throat cut - for centuries, until present and into foreseeable future. Anywhere, any religion involved, no religion involved.


The animal does, however, not fail to die any way.

Dont be fooled by the name it drives a spike into their brain then it retracts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VnLwJo_7Ns

http://www.google.com/patents/US6135871


pretty humane all things considered, you dont see any jittering nerves, zippo.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

This conversation seems to have gone to meat. So be it.

What I have gleaned is that Halal is very close to Kosher. The ritual Kosher slaughter has been outlawed by a couple of countries. I saw a video of it and indeed the throat is cut, the animal is bound feet together and has to lay there and bleed to death. And they bring their kids to watch. How's that sound for a school field trip ?

It has been said that if you knew what is i hot dogs you would never eat them, and if you ever stood i a slaughterhouse you might well become a vegan. Or your sister. Seriously, a kid in my chosen family worked for Cargill. He was well educated but they had this policy that if you get an office you have to be able to do every job there. He is pretty good at descriptions. It is pretty fucking gross, no matter where it is. You want to blame the Jews go ahead, because their book does describe a particularly inhumane method, but it is probably not unique to them.

No matter the method of death, the whole process is nasty. They got intestines ripped open and feces flying all over the place. Then the carcasses are washed off with a bleach solution with hoses. Now this is why you cook ground meat. When you have a steak or other type of slab of meat and you cook it at least on the outside, you have generally killed all the E. coli. But when the meat is ground the outside could be on the inside. Better meat places grind their own. I used to grind my own but lost one of the blades for the grinder.

But all the people who work in that environment change clothes after work and probably shower as well. There is blood and shit (literally) flying all over the place, and of course the company wants the most production so there is no time to care if you want to keep your job.

The pragmatic side of me wants to know what is wrong with the blood. There are dishes that include the blood, why are Semites afraid of it ? I guess blood would make the meat spoil faster, but that does not form any basis for religious law, unless they are just making shit up. I have bought beef tenderloins and the ones that are the best are the ones soaking in blood. They make a bunch of money on that as well because that blood is mostly water and water is eight pounds per gallon. The last one I bought was like $18 a pound I think. It was from a good meat shop and was not full of blood. But if they had added one pint of water to it they would have sold me a pint of water for $18.

But getting the blood out ? Why ? Did some Wise Man connect the blood with some disease ?

Well, it is too late to ask them and if you ask an MD they will probably go "Duh, what now ?".

T^T

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The more I learn about how meat and poultry are prepared on an industrial scale, the more I find vegetarian alternatives attractive. I haven't eaten fried chicken since watching a doco on how KFC and their suppliers breed and treat their chickens at their ghoulish factory farms. The poor chickens are in-bred to gross deformity. Unable to digest their 'food', it goes straight through them and is recycled - they exist on a diet of their own shit. Just to think about it sickens me to this day. UUUgggggghhhhh!!!!!

I couldn't be bothered sitting through 34 mins of a vid recommended by RM in the OP. In my book a recommendation from RM is akin to a kiss of death, and has the effect of ensuring I don't read or view whatever it is that RM is recommending. This is the result of experience - I used to check out his OPs only to find that they were a complete waste of time.

If anyone made it to the end, did the vid claim that halal certification is a world wide conspiracy to fund Islamist terrorism? This piece of insanity is quite popular among our looney Right Islamophobes here - people like RM and our versions of Sanity, Nnanji etc. They manage to work themselves into quite a state over this. However as is so often the case, they are unable to produce the tiniest shred of evidence to support their lurid claims. Much ado about nothing at all ....

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The more I learn about how meat and poultry are prepared on an industrial scale, the more I find vegetarian alternatives attractive. I haven't eaten fried chicken since watching a doco on how KFC and their suppliers breed and treat their chickens at their ghoulish factory farms. The poor chickens are in-bred to gross deformity. Unable to digest their 'food', it goes straight through them and is recycled - they exist on a diet of their own shit. Just to think about it sickens me to this day. UUUgggggghhhhh!!!!!

I couldn't be bothered sitting through 34 mins of a vid recommended by RM in the OP. In my book a recommendation from RM is akin to a kiss of death, and has the effect of ensuring I don't read or view whatever it is that RM is recommending. This is the result of experience - I used to check out his OPs only to find that they were a complete waste of time.

If anyone made it to the end, did the vid claim that halal certification is a world wide conspiracy to fund Islamist terrorism? This piece of insanity is quite popular among our looney Right Islamophobes here - people like RM and our versions of Sanity, Nnanji etc. They manage to work themselves into quite a state over this. However as is so often the case, they are unable to produce the tiniest shred of evidence to support their lurid claims. Much ado about nothing at all ....

So cool, thanks, I love to see how you'll only pay attention to that which you've been inculcated to agree and reject even viewing anything that doesn't conform to it. Lol.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The more I learn about how meat and poultry are prepared on an industrial scale, the more I find vegetarian alternatives attractive. I haven't eaten fried chicken since watching a doco on how KFC and their suppliers breed and treat their chickens at their ghoulish factory farms. The poor chickens are in-bred to gross deformity. Unable to digest their 'food', it goes straight through them and is recycled - they exist on a diet of their own shit. Just to think about it sickens me to this day. UUUgggggghhhhh!!!!!

I couldn't be bothered sitting through 34 mins of a vid recommended by RM in the OP. In my book a recommendation from RM is akin to a kiss of death, and has the effect of ensuring I don't read or view whatever it is that RM is recommending. This is the result of experience - I used to check out his OPs only to find that they were a complete waste of time.

If anyone made it to the end, did the vid claim that halal certification is a world wide conspiracy to fund Islamist terrorism? This piece of insanity is quite popular among our looney Right Islamophobes here - people like RM and our versions of Sanity, Nnanji etc. They manage to work themselves into quite a state over this. However as is so often the case, they are unable to produce the tiniest shred of evidence to support their lurid claims. Much ado about nothing at all ....

So cool, thanks, I love to see how you'll only pay attention to that which you've been inculcated to agree and reject even viewing anything that doesn't conform to it. Lol.

Which part of:
"I don't read or view whatever it is that RM is recommending. This is the result of experience - I used to check out his OPs only to find that they were a complete waste of time."
.. don't you understand?

Moron.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The more I learn about how meat and poultry are prepared on an industrial scale, the more I find vegetarian alternatives attractive. I haven't eaten fried chicken since watching a doco on how KFC and their suppliers breed and treat their chickens at their ghoulish factory farms. The poor chickens are in-bred to gross deformity. Unable to digest their 'food', it goes straight through them and is recycled - they exist on a diet of their own shit. Just to think about it sickens me to this day. UUUgggggghhhhh!!!!!

I couldn't be bothered sitting through 34 mins of a vid recommended by RM in the OP. In my book a recommendation from RM is akin to a kiss of death, and has the effect of ensuring I don't read or view whatever it is that RM is recommending. This is the result of experience - I used to check out his OPs only to find that they were a complete waste of time.

If anyone made it to the end, did the vid claim that halal certification is a world wide conspiracy to fund Islamist terrorism? This piece of insanity is quite popular among our looney Right Islamophobes here - people like RM and our versions of Sanity, Nnanji etc. They manage to work themselves into quite a state over this. However as is so often the case, they are unable to produce the tiniest shred of evidence to support their lurid claims. Much ado about nothing at all ....

So cool, thanks, I love to see how you'll only pay attention to that which you've been inculcated to agree and reject even viewing anything that doesn't conform to it. Lol.

Which part of:
"I don't read or view whatever it is that RM is recommending. This is the result of experience - I used to check out his OPs only to find that they were a complete waste of time."
.. don't you understand?

Moron.

Love it, so butt hurt the cutesy little girl is all gone.

The part where you boldly and proudly proclaim it so you can be simpatico with all "right thinking" lefty friends. The part where you take pride in your, and your lefty friends, closed minds because that is your general state of being. I just enjoy people seeing that. Sure, most of the people on here are sympathetic fellow travelers and they won't even understand, nor probably will you. But I just enjoy having evil come out of the closet and state it's true purpose.

So carry on now.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

For those interested in the origin of religious dietary rules and their social function, this paper "The Abominations of Leviticus" by anthropologist Mary Douglas is illuminating:

Douglas analyses the dietary and other injunctions laid down in Leviticus in the Bible, and relates these to the ways in which the ancient Jews understood their world, God and the order of things. She concludes:
"the dietary laws would have been like signs which at every turn inspired meditation on the oneness, purity and complete­ness of God. By rules of avoidance, holiness was given a physical expression in every encounter with the animal kingdom and at every meal. Observance of the dietary rules would thus have been a meaningful part of the great liturgical act of recognition and worship which culminated in the sacrifice in the Temple. "
http://kodu.ut.ee/~cect/teoreetilised%20seminarid_2011/teoreetiline%20seminar%2015.03.2011/Douglas.pdf

At first glance religious dietary laws seem arbitrary. Douglas' analysis offers a perspective that enables one to make sense of these complex rules, and why they are afforded such importance in religious practice.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The more I learn about how meat and poultry are prepared on an industrial scale, the more I find vegetarian alternatives attractive. I haven't eaten fried chicken since watching a doco on how KFC and their suppliers breed and treat their chickens at their ghoulish factory farms. The poor chickens are in-bred to gross deformity. Unable to digest their 'food', it goes straight through them and is recycled - they exist on a diet of their own shit. Just to think about it sickens me to this day. UUUgggggghhhhh!!!!!

I couldn't be bothered sitting through 34 mins of a vid recommended by RM in the OP. In my book a recommendation from RM is akin to a kiss of death, and has the effect of ensuring I don't read or view whatever it is that RM is recommending. This is the result of experience - I used to check out his OPs only to find that they were a complete waste of time.

If anyone made it to the end, did the vid claim that halal certification is a world wide conspiracy to fund Islamist terrorism? This piece of insanity is quite popular among our looney Right Islamophobes here - people like RM and our versions of Sanity, Nnanji etc. They manage to work themselves into quite a state over this. However as is so often the case, they are unable to produce the tiniest shred of evidence to support their lurid claims. Much ado about nothing at all ....

So cool, thanks, I love to see how you'll only pay attention to that which you've been inculcated to agree and reject even viewing anything that doesn't conform to it. Lol.

Which part of:
"I don't read or view whatever it is that RM is recommending. This is the result of experience - I used to check out his OPs only to find that they were a complete waste of time."
.. don't you understand?

Moron.

Love it, so butt hurt the cutesy little girl is all gone.

The part where you boldly and proudly proclaim it so you can be simpatico with all "right thinking" lefty friends. The part where you take pride in your, and your lefty friends, closed minds because that is your general state of being. I just enjoy people seeing that. Sure, most of the people on here are sympathetic fellow travelers and they won't even understand, nor probably will you. But I just enjoy having evil come out of the closet and state it's true purpose.

So carry on now.

You sound utterly deranged. It's "evil" to decline to watch RM's OPs because all of those I have watched in the past turned out to be a complete waste of time ..??? Are you serious? What planet are you on?

The bit I have bolded could quite easily be part of a psychopath's confession. 'No one but me understands the real evil out there ..blah blah blah.' Next you will be claiming you are on a mission from God. You need professional help.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

For those interested in the origin of religious dietary rules and their social function, this paper "The Abominations of Leviticus" by anthropologist Mary Douglas is illuminating:

Douglas analyses the dietary and other injunctions laid down in Leviticus in the Bible, and relates these to the ways in which the ancient Jews understood their world, God and the order of things. She concludes:
"the dietary laws would have been like signs which at every turn inspired meditation on the oneness, purity and complete­ness of God. By rules of avoidance, holiness was given a physical expression in every encounter with the animal kingdom and at every meal. Observance of the dietary rules would thus have been a meaningful part of the great liturgical act of recognition and worship which culminated in the sacrifice in the Temple. "
http://kodu.ut.ee/~cect/teoreetilised%20seminarid_2011/teoreetiline%20seminar%2015.03.2011/Douglas.pdf

At first glance religious dietary laws seem arbitrary. Douglas' analysis offers a perspective that enables one to make sense of these complex rules, and why they are afforded such importance in religious practice.

Abominations of leviticus? Are you serious? That says nothing about its 'origin', only that the jews practiced it and made it their religion and ultimately law. So what? So they had a food list same as the FDA and gubmint does today of what you can and cant eat UNDER their law.

So since you have properly placed before us and laid out the scope of 'what is religion for 10,000', how about tell us the origins of why pot is against the gubmint gods ....or tryptophane and the HUGE list of other religious edicts identical to leviticus that statism adheres to in the worship of their god?

2000 years from now we can read the abominations of the 20th century da mobcracy gods

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The more I learn about how meat and poultry are prepared on an industrial scale, the more I find vegetarian alternatives attractive. I haven't eaten fried chicken since watching a doco on how KFC and their suppliers breed and treat their chickens at their ghoulish factory farms. The poor chickens are in-bred to gross deformity. Unable to digest their 'food', it goes straight through them and is recycled - they exist on a diet of their own shit. Just to think about it sickens me to this day. UUUgggggghhhhh!!!!!

I couldn't be bothered sitting through 34 mins of a vid recommended by RM in the OP. In my book a recommendation from RM is akin to a kiss of death, and has the effect of ensuring I don't read or view whatever it is that RM is recommending. This is the result of experience - I used to check out his OPs only to find that they were a complete waste of time.

If anyone made it to the end, did the vid claim that halal certification is a world wide conspiracy to fund Islamist terrorism? This piece of insanity is quite popular among our looney Right Islamophobes here - people like RM and our versions of Sanity, Nnanji etc. They manage to work themselves into quite a state over this. However as is so often the case, they are unable to produce the tiniest shred of evidence to support their lurid claims. Much ado about nothing at all ....

So cool, thanks, I love to see how you'll only pay attention to that which you've been inculcated to agree and reject even viewing anything that doesn't conform to it. Lol.

Which part of:
"I don't read or view whatever it is that RM is recommending. This is the result of experience - I used to check out his OPs only to find that they were a complete waste of time."
.. don't you understand?

Moron.

Love it, so butt hurt the cutesy little girl is all gone.

The part where you boldly and proudly proclaim it so you can be simpatico with all "right thinking" lefty friends. The part where you take pride in your, and your lefty friends, closed minds because that is your general state of being. I just enjoy people seeing that. Sure, most of the people on here are sympathetic fellow travelers and they won't even understand, nor probably will you. But I just enjoy having evil come out of the closet and state it's true purpose.

So carry on now.

You sound utterly deranged. It's "evil" to decline to watch RM's OPs because all of those I have watched in the past turned out to be a complete waste of time ..??? Are you serious? What planet are you on?

The bit I have bolded could quite easily be part of a psychopath's confession. 'No one but me understands the real evil out there ..blah blah blah.' Next you will be claiming you are on a mission from God. You need professional help.

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White males never talk back at school