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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: Nnanji
ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Really Thompson, explain that in the context to which I was responding to blondie. I think youre full of shit. But you show me where I'm wrong.


Still awaiting your cite re: pain as a result of bleeding.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

...Thompson, I think that was Greta or someone else. Like I said, try and keep up.


Well, yes. Your assumption that the animal was still alive after driving a bolt into its head just because the heart was still beating was nonsense.
While on the other hand the animal with a throat cut is still alive, aware and pumping adrenaline into the muscles for some time. One of the reasons that you want a quick clean kill,
other than respect for the animal, is so the meat isn't tainted from chemicals pumped by an animal in distress. The religious justification for draining the blood is because the life is in
the blood, Leviticus 17:11. In the old days draining the blood before life fled was gods law. With modern technology the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to
bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal and still observe the religious justification

Do you even read the moronic shit you post before you hit enter?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


Yea I read what I write Thompson. Is that all you got?


Perhaps if you got a grown up to explain what you wrote???
Then you might try to answer the question posed....prove that bleeding is painful.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to
bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal


Where is pain mentioned.

the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to
bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


OGINAL: Nnanji
ORIGINAL: thompsonx


the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to
bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal


Where is pain mentioned.

the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to
bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal









Where does it mention pain?

As mentioned earlier...perhaps you might seek the help of an adult.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
It is scientifically sound that if you shoot the correct part of the brain, the death is instant. You don't have time to feel pain. So yes, if the shot is done correctly, I prefer to being shot than having my throat slit where there can be up till 2 minutes of excruciating pain before I pass out. And IF the animal slaughter can calibrate their machines properly with proper brain scanning machines to identify the correct region in the animal brain and shoot into it correctly all the time, we can have painless death all the time. I know with technology this is possible, it's only whether the government wanna come down hard on them for making sure this happens.

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
It is scientifically sound that if you shoot the correct part of the brain, the death is instant. You don't have time to feel pain. So yes, if the shot is done correctly, I prefer to being shot than having my throat slit where there can be up till 2 minutes of excruciating pain before I pass out. And IF the animal slaughter can calibrate their machines properly with proper brain scanning machines to identify the correct region in the animal brain and shoot into it correctly all the time, we can have painless death all the time. I know with technology this is possible, it's only whether the government wanna come down hard on them for making sure this happens.

Sorry to spoil your morbid slaughter fantasies again.

In case you missed about 3 pages ago: Shooting into an animal's brain is neither "state of the art" nor desirable. Doing so spreads brain matter in and outside the animal and is the main agent for spreading BSE and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and is therefore no longer done wherever BSE occured.

But maybe you prefer Creutzfeldt-Jakob.

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
It is scientifically sound that if you shoot the correct part of the brain, the death is instant. You don't have time to feel pain. So yes, if the shot is done correctly, I prefer to being shot than having my throat slit where there can be up till 2 minutes of excruciating pain before I pass out. And IF the animal slaughter can calibrate their machines properly with proper brain scanning machines to identify the correct region in the animal brain and shoot into it correctly all the time, we can have painless death all the time. I know with technology this is possible, it's only whether the government wanna come down hard on them for making sure this happens.

Sorry to spoil your morbid slaughter fantasies again.

In case you missed about 3 pages ago: Shooting into an animal's brain is neither "state of the art" nor desirable. Doing so spreads brain matter in and outside the animal and is the main agent for spreading BSE and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and is therefore no longer done wherever BSE occured.

But maybe you prefer Creutzfeldt-Jakob.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
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But really, I think this having the heart pump the blood out is a religious thing and should be discarded. All religion has to go. I see nothing wrong with cutting the animal's head off and letting it just bleed naturally. That automatically eliminates the BSE from getting into it. It is probably more humane than other methods.
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ORIGINAL: blnymph
But that's the point: No, it is not at all. To get the blood out of the blood circuit is the most important thing to prevent it from decaying within hours - and the most efficient if not only way to get it done efficiently is by letting the still pumping heart (+gravity) do the emptying of the blood vessels. Whether religions or experience or whatever else say so is irrelevant to the outcome and largely to the procedure as such.

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Decapitation (chicken+axe, farmhouse style) works that way for sure. But do you think cows would wait patiently till you chop their heads off? Ever seen a bull's neck - do you think a single stroke would be sufficient? You might probably need a guillotine style machinery causing a new problem to get the animal in, the meat out, which sounds like the opposite of efficient to me.

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ORIGINAL: blnymph
But that's the point: No, it is not at all. To get the blood out of the blood circuit is the most important thing to prevent it from decaying within hours - and the most efficient if not only way to get it done efficiently is by letting the still pumping heart (+gravity) do the emptying of the blood vessels. Whether religions or experience or whatever else say so is irrelevant to the outcome and largely to the procedure as such.

Decapitation (chicken+axe, farmhouse style) works that way for sure. But do you think cows would wait patiently till you chop their heads off? Ever seen a bull's neck - do you think a single stroke would be sufficient? You might probably need a guillotine style machinery causing a new problem to get the animal in, the meat out, which sounds like the opposite of efficient to me.

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Decapitation (chicken+axe, farmhouse style) works that way for sure. But do you think cows would wait patiently till you chop their heads off? Ever seen a bull's neck - do you think a single stroke would be sufficient? You might probably need a guillotine style machinery causing a new problem to get the animal in, the meat out, which sounds like the opposite of efficient to me.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


And of course religious "laws".

Religious laws are fucking bullshit. Before synthetic insulin was developed, it came from pigs. What did the Semites do, just die ?

All this shit is shit. And Leviticus was a god damned nut. There ay have been a source of some wisdom, but his crazyness outweighed his weight in that department. He was a fucking nut. You want to be stoned to death for wearing silk and cotton at the same time ?

I am old and really ready to leave this world. As such I am becoming ore outspoken about my views. You either like it or not.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

All religion has to go.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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ORIGINAL: blnymph
But that's the point: No, it is not at all. To get the blood out of the blood circuit is the most important thing to prevent it from decaying within hours - and the most efficient if not only way to get it done efficiently is by letting the still pumping heart (+gravity) do the emptying of the blood vessels. Whether religions or experience or whatever else say so is irrelevant to the outcome and largely to the procedure as such.

Decapitation (chicken+axe, farmhouse style) works that way for sure. But do you think cows would wait patiently till you chop their heads off? Ever seen a bull's neck - do you think a single stroke would be sufficient? You might probably need a guillotine style machinery causing a new problem to get the animal in, the meat out, which sounds like the opposite of efficient to me.

Actually, in the case of chickens, it is preferable to render them unconscious before killing them. Farmhouse style is to wring the neck of the chicken THEN cut the head off. If you cut it off to kill the bird; instead of blood draining from the body you get blood spray all over the place and a chicken trying to run around with no head.

The commercial use of a bolt gun for large animals is considered the most humane. Brain trauma being an instant kill is the thought. When thinking of a guillotine; consider the accounts from when it was used for capital punishment of heads blinking and trying to mouth words for a few minutes after the axe dropped.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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ORIGINAL: blnymph
But that's the point: No, it is not at all. To get the blood out of the blood circuit is the most important thing to prevent it from decaying within hours - and the most efficient if not only way to get it done efficiently is by letting the still pumping heart (+gravity) do the emptying of the blood vessels. Whether religions or experience or whatever else say so is irrelevant to the outcome and largely to the procedure as such.

Decapitation (chicken+axe, farmhouse style) works that way for sure. But do you think cows would wait patiently till you chop their heads off? Ever seen a bull's neck - do you think a single stroke would be sufficient? You might probably need a guillotine style machinery causing a new problem to get the animal in, the meat out, which sounds like the opposite of efficient to me.

Actually, in the case of chickens, it is preferable to render them unconscious before killing them. Farmhouse style is to wring the neck of the chicken THEN cut the head off. If you cut it off to kill the bird; instead of blood draining from the body you get blood spray all over the place and a chicken trying to run around with no head.

The commercial use of a bolt gun for large animals is considered the most humane. Brain trauma being an instant kill is the thought. When thinking of a guillotine; consider the accounts from when it was used for capital punishment of heads blinking and trying to mouth words for a few minutes after the axe dropped.

well she thinks that because its called a stunner it just knocks the animal out, it doesnt as you said it fires a bolt into their brain. LOL


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That said, I watched a farmer who was pissed off because a bull gored him while trying to get it into the barn, he grabbed a hardwood baseball bat and set out after that bull, the damn bull charged at him and he took a swing connecting just above the eyes. The bull tumbled to the ground and laid there but before it came to, he said fuck this, slit the bulls throat, jumped on a tractor and picked it up by the rear hoofs and butchered it right on the spot, that said these animals could be knocked out before slitting their throats. The moral of the story is that the bull charged and he had kids and that was over the line, the bull was a danger to the kids, so it was end of the line.