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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 3:31:55 PM   
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Could be. But I also made it clear that I did not write that there are no gay Republicans or conservatives, and rather than seeking clarification he played the troll game

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 3:35:22 PM   
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Could be. But I also made it clear that I did not write that there are no gay Republicans or conservatives, and rather than seeking clarification he played the troll game


Yeah well... unfortunately that seems to be his MO lately.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 3:40:02 PM   
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Yeah well... unfortunately that seems to be his MO lately.



It is unfortunate.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 3:42:25 PM   
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Yeah well... unfortunately that seems to be his MO lately.



It is unfortunate.


It is. He has really gone downhill. Sad to see.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 4:03:26 PM   
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Could be. But I also made it clear that I did not write that there are no gay Republicans or conservatives, and rather than seeking clarification he played the troll game

Well, of course there are gay republicans and conservatives. However, they are all hiding in a toilet booth in Minneapolis International Airport.

The problem is, Bosco, right from the gitgo you politicized the issue. You did, yes you, no one else. You just couldn't resist. You made such a warm humane observation and then you pissed all over it.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 4:05:21 PM   
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Do you not sometimes consider that it's exactly because so many before you have fought so hard that people like you are able to go through your lives so easily and comfortably now? And if you don't carry on making noise, regularly, you'll get stamped down again? Even I consider that, often - and I'm a white, middle class male. Nonetheless as a kinkster I'm pretty damned sure that the gays of years gone by - the ones who shouted and argued and deliberately got in people's faces and would not give up - have made my life as comfy as it is now.

Thank you. That's part of the point.

ETA - So much of what we have now, we have because other people fought for it.

The stuff I do on the regular? My kink expression, my leatherism, my engaging BDSM *most* of the time? Those opportunities didn't just happen. Having that didn't just spring out of the ground. Other people WORKED for it.



Umm, no. They went to jail for it mostly.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 4:14:20 PM   
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The concept of Gay Pride celebrations as a venue to overcome social stigmas really gets sabotaged by some of the gay community. At least that is the impression about U.S. pride celebrations in many cities. The parades in the U.S. often bring to mind the term "flaming queen". I don't think it is in any way conducive to alleviating social stigma to have a platoon of gay men walking around in leather chaps, leather vests, and nothing else. (Noted on the Vieux Carre this year in New Orleans.) The outrageous behaviors rather feed the stereotype of "gay is deviant and dangerous" to the mainstream. No, I don't want it banned. I do disagree it is about alleviating social stigma but is about shocking the breeders.



It offends your sensibilities, which it is meant to do, to be in your face. It is the same strategy employed by black comedians who repeatedly say "nigger" in their monologues. They have taken ownership of the caricature by offending your titties. Good for them. Too bad for you.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 4:41:22 PM   
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Could be. But I also made it clear that I did not write that there are no gay Republicans or conservatives, and rather than seeking clarification he played the troll game

Well, of course there are gay republicans and conservatives. However, they are all hiding in a toilet booth in Minneapolis International Airport.

The problem is, Bosco, right from the gitgo you politicized the issue. You did, yes you, no one else. You just couldn't resist. You made such a warm humane observation and then you pissed all over it.


News flash vincent

This is the section set aside for things to get all kinds of politicized all of the time.

Surprising, isn't it


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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 4:41:24 PM   
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Umm, no. They went to jail for it mostly.

OK. I was trying to be all serious and stuff.

Then, I thought about it, and realized you're right.

The majority of my Leather Elders have spent the night in jail. Mostly for crap like demonstrating, congregating...

They did that stuff, so I wouldn't have to. The Next Generation probably won't have to, either.

Why do we still march at Pride???

Because we have to.


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RE: PRIDE - 6/25/2017 4:06:38 AM   
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Do you not sometimes consider that it's exactly because so many before you have fought so hard that people like you are able to go through your lives so easily and comfortably now? And if you don't carry on making noise, regularly, you'll get stamped down again? Even I consider that, often - and I'm a white, middle class male. Nonetheless as a kinkster I'm pretty damned sure that the gays of years gone by - the ones who shouted and argued and deliberately got in people's faces and would not give up - have made my life as comfy as it is now.

Thank you. That's part of the point.

ETA - So much of what we have now, we have because other people fought for it.

The stuff I do on the regular? My kink expression, my leatherism, my engaging BDSM *most* of the time? Those opportunities didn't just happen. Having that didn't just spring out of the ground. Other people WORKED for it.




I agree entirely.

Seems to me that many people look backwards through the lens of today and take today's opportunities or freedoms for granted.

The non-het members of my family had some really shit times in the recent past including problems with employment and abuse (verbal and physical) that I think would be far less likely today. People forget this just like they forget how recently in the past you would get abuse hurled at you on the street if you were in a mixed-race relationship. Funny how people forget this things if they didn't personally suffer the abuse.

Plenty of groups celebrate who they are. Who is anyone else to object, especially if their only objection is that their sensibilities that are being offended or people are drawing to much attention to themselves?

Frankly I'm surprised the OP even started this thread.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/25/2017 4:39:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Homosexual acts between consenting adults were illegal in many Western countries until comparatively recently. Here in New South Wales, Australia, such acts were illegal until (IIRC) 1983. There were regular prosecutions of gay men in particular up to that date. Convictions were often accompanied by social ostracism, being sacked from their jobs (especially in the public service) and public exposure.

In addition, queers were subject to police harassment, physical attacks by gangs of 'queer bashers' who invariably went unpunished, and from time to time, murder. The rate of conviction for murdering gay men in those days was abysmally low, police attitudes reflecting the widespread public distaste for non-heterosexual acts. There were also medical interventions that sought to "cure" homosexuality, that included incarceration in mental asylums, lobotomies and other outrageous 'treatments' such as electro shock therapy. Homosexuality was officially listed as a mental disorder by the psychiatric profession, to their eternal disgrace. The situation here was typical of Western societies in the days before queer rights movements

So queers were forced to live their lives in the shadows, living in dread of exposure, imprisonment and ostracism. The queer rights movements that began after Stonewall in the late 1960s reversed all that. Legal prohibitions were abolished, queers proclaimed their sexuality openly challenging the bigotry of the times. It was through this political activism that the persecution of queers stopped, that people's rights to love the person of their choice were acknowledged and the possibility of an 'normal' life was available to queers. This activism reversed the public perception of queers, ushering in the widespread acceptance in the West today.

With a background and history like this, is it any surprise that queers celebrate their current acceptance? It is not 'flaunting' one's sexuality - it is celebrating the fact that one can have a legal sexuality, it is making a very public statement against homophobia and queerphobia which are still influential in some backward sections of society. Until the scourges of homophobia and transphobia are finally removed totally from society, there will be an ongoing need for queers to challenge it confront it and change it.

Only when discrimination and queerphobia cease to exist will the need for public statements affirming queer sexualities cease to exist.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/25/2017 5:08:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		tamaka. your post just proves you are a MORON. or just a very sad person.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/25/2017 5:09:56 AM   
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tamaka. your post just proves you are a MORON. or just a very sad person.

That's not an either/or thing: she could quite easily be both.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/25/2017 5:15:32 AM   
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RE: PRIDE - 6/25/2017 5:54:11 AM   
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No parades necessary.


Do you not sometimes consider that it's exactly because so many before you have fought so hard that people like you are able to go through your lives so easily and comfortably now? And if you don't carry on making noise, regularly, you'll get stamped down again? Even I consider that, often - and I'm a white, middle class male. Nonetheless as a kinkster I'm pretty damned sure that the gays of years gone by - the ones who shouted and argued and deliberately got in people's faces and would not give up - have made my life as comfy as it is now.



Well if they did, it wasn't intentional. In fact the gays of years gone by wouldn't have let you in their club let alone done anything to make life easier for you. For a group that is now screaming about how we should include everyone, they sure excluded a lot in the past.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/25/2017 8:24:36 AM   
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No parades necessary.


Do you not sometimes consider that it's exactly because so many before you have fought so hard that people like you are able to go through your lives so easily and comfortably now? And if you don't carry on making noise, regularly, you'll get stamped down again? Even I consider that, often - and I'm a white, middle class male. Nonetheless as a kinkster I'm pretty damned sure that the gays of years gone by - the ones who shouted and argued and deliberately got in people's faces and would not give up - have made my life as comfy as it is now.



Well if they did, it wasn't intentional. In fact the gays of years gone by wouldn't have let you in their club let alone done anything to make life easier for you. For a group that is now screaming about how we should include everyone, they sure excluded a lot in the past.


It didn't need to be intentional at all. (Though, actually, back in the 80s I used to frequent a gay club - it was one of the few in the rough part of London where the locals didn't give the students a hard time.) But the fact is that if ordinary hets were 'loosened up' regarding their view of gay people, this was bound to have had a knock-on effect for kinkroids, too. Or so I'd presume. One thing's for sure, though: what those people did in the 70s and 80s certainly helped free up my own view of myself.


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RE: PRIDE - 6/25/2017 8:27:01 AM   
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It is not 'flaunting' one's sexuality - it is celebrating the fact that one can have a legal sexuality


That is called 'Liberty', something that is merely given lip service by the Lord thy God, the USA.

Its no stretch of imagination what so ever that the homosexual issue has been and is a religious issue since the beginning of time proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that the western gubmints ARE RELIGIOUS ESTABISHMENTS that puts everyones religion down, to impose theirs.

Liberty is nothing more than lip service, you have the right to do what the state 'allows' nothing more, period.


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RE: PRIDE - 6/25/2017 9:09:32 AM   
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I don't. I'm being honest. From everything i've ever read, gays wish that they weren't gay. They were born this way and they often have prayed that God would fix them and make them straight. In any case, it's a personal struggle. Now they put rainbows on everything and use the word PRIDE (isn't that one of the 7 Deadly Sins).

I brought this comment back up because I think there are some things that should make sense to folks, but maybe they haven't thought it through. Some of this has already been mentioned by other posters. It's just my thought process right now.

Humans are social enough creatures that most of us don't want to feel different than everyone around us. Having that different sexual orientation means you are going to spend a huge part of your life being different than roughly 95% of everybody else around you. Your family members, co-workers, neighbors, and dang near anybody else. That part is hard enough.

You mentioned praying to God. That's something you should think about, too. If your particular path of faith is any of the various denominations of Christianity, and you choose to attend church, you've got a certain chance that the person behind that pulpit is going to tell you all about how you are an abomination, and you're going to hell. Oh, and at least some of the people sitting around you hate you based on nothing more than who you are sexually attracted to. Not to mention, certain other members of your faith, will actively campaign for your rights to be taken away from you.

On another thread, you mentioned being a teacher in the past. What age children did you teach? I know this is an area of improvement since back in the days when I was a student, but I still remember now, even all these years later what happened to the one gay kid that was in my class. His/my fellow students made his life a living hell. Not a day went by that he wasn't picked on, threatened, bullied, and God knows what else. And people wonder why gay teens have a higher suicide rate.

We're probably doing better in this country than we have at any other time about gay issues, which really isn't saying much. In our lifetimes, it wasn't that long ago that stuff like "rolling fags" (my apologies to the folks in other countries; it doesn't mean what you think it means) was considered a contact sport and/or a form of entertainment. All it took for a person to lose their job, their home, or their doctor if people found out a person was gay. People's families disowned them. I still know gay people my age that were tossed out and became homeless. This and all of the other things that gay people have had to face, not really all that long ago? Is it really any wonder that people might wish they didn't have to and just be like everybody else?




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RE: PRIDE - 6/25/2017 9:19:15 AM   
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Could be. But I also made it clear that I did not write that there are no gay Republicans or conservatives, and rather than seeking clarification he played the troll game





You sad little man.

Instead of clarifying, you just keep repeating "Nuh-uh! Troll! Didn't say that" when in fact, you did.

What in fact DID you mean to say? Because none of this has jack-shit to do with "leftist" anything.


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RE: PRIDE - 6/25/2017 9:44:48 AM   
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Where in the modern world is anyone treated by Christians the way Muslims treat gays


Russia.
You're a fucking idiot. Russia is an instance of the finest in atheist tradition - the persecution of religious people for their beliefs.

Socialists and communists are atheist by fucking definition - you ill-informed bigot.


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