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RE: PRIDE - 7/4/2017 3:41:53 AM   
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More and more people are coming to the honest conclusion that the left have collectively lost their fucking minds. Many people use the same sort of description for their behavior that I have been using, that they live in cartoonish alternate realities

And nothing can reach them. No facts, no realities. They can justify anything, stretch any nothing into the crime of the century... And they seem to think this is working for them somehow



Don't you find it a bit spooky that pretty much the entire world says exactly the same of Trump and his supporters?



I might find it spooky if I believed the ENTIRE world was saying that, but I know better. And while I am aware that there are people in other countries who do not like us or our leaders, that has pretty much been the case for as long as I can remember so not really big news.


How do you know better? Have you asked everyone in the world? Well, neither have I. I would probably break down under intensive and extended interrogation and admit there are some people who do like Trump. (Actually, my friend's nutty son likes Trump. But he's only 18. Long story.)

As for the bit about those who 'don't like us or our leaders' - don't lump all Americans with Trump and his supporters, presumably the better to make it look like a straightforward anti-USA thing. Also: Trump is a special case amongst all foregoing US presidents. Bottom line: The USA has had good presidents and bad ones - but never one who so much looks like he really has no place being in the White House. He's in a league of his own when it comes to international dislike.


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RE: PRIDE - 7/4/2017 9:45:49 AM   
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Well maybe we have to determine whether this is legitimately a real thing and a real status or whether this is somehow a threat to the overall system on which humanity is based.


What threat do you feel is over you?

Allow me to assure you. Whatever fears you have, you're not going to catch teh gay, or the HIV, or anything else you've got going on in your head. If it did, I'd be dead.



You don't know much about HIV evidently. It is a serious health threat.

A lot of people think that much of this bisexual et al stuff that is so prevalent right now because it is a fetish/fad.

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RE: PRIDE - 7/4/2017 4:50:12 PM   
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RE: PRIDE - 7/4/2017 5:08:40 PM   
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I'm a blood player.

Even before I was a blood player, I was schooled on blood born pathogens.

If you're going to be a teacher..... Teach.





Teach what? Teach that we should legalize and support behavior that causes chronic disease in our society? Like spreading hiv to innocent people because you believe nothing could happen to you? Try to argue that the behavior is perfectly natural which is why it causes deadly diseases.

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RE: PRIDE - 7/4/2017 6:16:19 PM   
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Yup, you're still an idiot.

Your ad hominem just makes you look childish.


While yours do not make you look childish? How is that possible? Is it sanity's special gift to you?


You know, sometimes, you post in this forum like a 15 yr old bratty child, but I guess you can take that as a compliment, since for women, being called youthful is not even really a bad thing.

Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

You and Stef should hook up. You are perfect match for each other. Same character.

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RE: PRIDE - 7/4/2017 6:21:15 PM   
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You don't know much about HIV evidently. It is a serious health threat.

And it technically is true that HIV is spread specifically from gay men. That's how it all started.
And more gay men have HIV from sexual intercourse than heterosexual people.

This just tells me for some reason. Many gay men just don't believe in protected sex. But they are essentially, killing their own.

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RE: PRIDE - 7/4/2017 7:07:55 PM   
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RE: PRIDE - 7/4/2017 7:11:03 PM   
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You don't know much about HIV evidently. It is a serious health threat.

And it technically is true that HIV is spread specifically from gay men. That's how it all started.
And more gay men have HIV from sexual intercourse than heterosexual people.

This just tells me for some reason. Many gay men just don't believe in protected sex. But they are essentially, killing their own.


Well unfortunately many are very promiscuous and spread the disease beyond the boundary of other gay homosexual people.

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RE: ' you - 7/4/2017 10:48:27 PM   
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I'm a blood player.

Even before I was a blood player, I was schooled on blood born pathogens.

If you're going to be a teacher..... Teach.





Teach what? Teach that we should legalize and support behavior that causes chronic disease in our society? Like spreading hiv to innocent people because you believe nothing could happen to you? Try to argue that the behavior is perfectly natural which is why it causes deadly diseases.


How is YOUR behavior? Would you like to tell me how 'clean and pristine' you are? How about your sexual partner?

I'm not supporting a BEHAVIOR. I'm supporting a sexual orientation. I'm supporting my family, my neighbors, and friends. I'm supporting the people who want to buy a house down the street and want to raise their children. I support people who want EQUAL medical care and the ability to make end of life decisions. I support people having basic human rights.

And, you should, too.


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RE: ' you - 7/4/2017 10:50:58 PM   
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I'm a blood player.

Even before I was a blood player, I was schooled on blood born pathogens.

If you're going to be a teacher..... Teach.





Teach what? Teach that we should legalize and support behavior that causes chronic disease in our society? Like spreading hiv to innocent people because you believe nothing could happen to you? Try to argue that the behavior is perfectly natural which is why it causes deadly diseases.


How is YOUR behavior? Would you like to tell me how 'clean and pristine' you are? How about your sexual partner?

I'm not supporting a BEHAVIOR. I'm supporting a sexual orientation. I'm supporting my family, my neighbors, and friends. I'm supporting the people who want to buy a house down the street and want to raise their children. I support people who want EQUAL medical care and the ability to make end of life decisions. I support people having basic human rights.

And, you should, too.



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RE: PRIDE - 7/5/2017 2:29:36 AM   
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In addition, queers were subject to police harassment, physical attacks by gangs of 'queer bashers' who invariably went unpunished, and from time to time, murder. . . .

So queers were forced to live their lives in the shadows, living in dread of exposure, imprisonment and ostracism. The queer rights movements that began after Stonewall in the late 1960s reversed all that.


Well thank goodness.

How did we ever lose that wonderful term? I'm glad somebody else has held onto it.

I always liked the designation because in the first place, "queer" said "different," which always attracted me, since I was 'different' even if not attracted to males. In fact, I'm about as hyper-heterosexual as they come.

I'm tired of having to distinguish between 'gay' and 'lesbian' all the time. Why can't we just do like in the good old days, say "queer" and be done with it?


Because a lot of folks think being labeled as different isn't necessarily a good thing.


The problem is the labeling, not in the people being labelled, and drawing attention to it by those labelled themselves legitimizing labeling by having "the power!" to make their own labels isn't going to rectify the matter. One would hope that 100-200 years from now nobody even understands the terms 'gay' or 'lez' or 'queer' or whatever, -due to lack of interest-.


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But I can understand why you would want them to go ahead and put up with it if it's so tiring for you to distinguish between gay and lesbian. After all, this is all about you, isn't it? So what if a group of people don't like the label you stuck on them, So what if they find it insulting, that's nothing compared to the pain of having to distinguish between the two. I guess they never realized the bullshit they were making you go through in order to feel better about themselves, those bastards.


Things change as time goes on.

In any case I never claimed the gay/lez designations as 'bullshit,' It's just that as time goes on, I get tired of keeping up with the latest determination as to what's supposed to be an insult or not. No matter what we call it now, it will be an insult in five-ten years. That's just how it works.

Queer Nation magazine was one of my favorite radical mags back when I was interested in radicalism. I'd already figured out the phenomenon of some people being more attracted to own gender years before, and had no issue. But the magazine attracted me because the scope of the mag was on overall issues, if some of it being to purpose of how it affected their own situation.

I've long since learned that radicalism isn't the way to nirvana, much less any decent society, but if a radical government is in place, it's hard to expect passive response.

In any case; Viva la Queer Nation magazine.

For your information:

It wasn't me or tweakable who "stuck them with that term."

Queer Nation




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RE: PRIDE - 7/5/2017 8:12:57 AM   
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You don't know much about HIV evidently. It is a serious health threat.

And it technically is true that HIV is spread specifically from gay men. That's how it all started.
And more gay men have HIV from sexual intercourse than heterosexual people.

This just tells me for some reason. Many gay men just don't believe in protected sex. But they are essentially, killing their own.

Or maybe it suggests that lacking a vag more gay men transmit HIV through anal intercourse than do heteros, and that anal tissue is more susceptible to infection when riding bareback.

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RE: PRIDE - 7/5/2017 8:15:02 AM   
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I'm a blood player.

Even before I was a blood player, I was schooled on blood born pathogens.

If you're going to be a teacher..... Teach.





Teach what? Teach that we should legalize and support behavior that causes chronic disease in our society? Like spreading hiv to innocent people because you believe nothing could happen to you? Try to argue that the behavior is perfectly natural which is why it causes deadly diseases.


Ummm. . . sneezing is perfectly natural; it can cause deadly disease.

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RE: PRIDE - 7/5/2017 1:08:41 PM   
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I've long since learned that radicalism isn't the way to nirvana, much less any decent society, but if a radical government is in place, it's hard to expect passive response.


" but if a radical government is in place (like the one we have now), it's hard to expect passive response."

I meant to insert that, it being the whole point of the sentence. In a rush to finish it, I was.

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RE: PRIDE - 7/5/2017 2:14:05 PM   
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You don't know much about HIV evidently. It is a serious health threat.

And it technically is true that HIV is spread specifically from gay men. That's how it all started.
And more gay men have HIV from sexual intercourse than heterosexual people.

This just tells me for some reason. Many gay men just don't believe in protected sex. But they are essentially, killing their own.


That's not universally true, nor has it been the case throughout the epidemic.

Look at the statistics in the African countries where heterosexual spread has been far greater than homosexual spread pretty much from the beginning. In the UK although homosexual spread has picked up again recently, in every year between 1999 and 2010 heterosexual spread was greater than homosexual spread. In fact it is postulated with some evidence that heterosexuals are less aware of HIV and pass it on more because they take longer to recognise that they have the disease. The old stereotype of gay men and drug users is just that - an old inaccurate stereotype.

Interestingly some of the most prolific spreaders of STDs & HIV are recently divorced middle-aged heterosexual women rediscovering their mojos, not exactly the stereotype. (By the way there is nothing wrong with being middle-aged and rediscovering your mojo, but forgetting about protection because you are no longer fertile can be fatal for you and others. I mention this group only because it is the group people think of least when they are considering the spread of HIV. Logically the heterosexual men they have unprotected sex with are just as culpable.)

There is no group who are uniquely responsible for how HIV spreads. Scapegoating homosexual men for the spread of AIDS is just ignorance and prejudice against the gay community. Preventing the spread of STDs including HIV is everyone's business and straight people do it too.

The comments about promiscuity and unprotected sex are also not matched by evidence - plenty of straight people of all ages have multiple partners and don't use condoms. Just ask the staff at your local STD/GUM clinic.

I've posted a few quick links because I couldn't be bothered ploughing through all the UK public health data at my disposal, but the examples below are good enough for a starting point.


https://www.aidstruth.org/misuse-of-studies/padian/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/may/01/hiv-not-gay-disease
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/11/10/more-straight-people-than-gay-people-being-diagnosed-with-hiv-in-kent/

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RE: PRIDE - 7/5/2017 2:17:56 PM   
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You don't know much about HIV evidently. It is a serious health threat.

And it technically is true that HIV is spread specifically from gay men. That's how it all started.
And more gay men have HIV from sexual intercourse than heterosexual people.

This just tells me for some reason. Many gay men just don't believe in protected sex. But they are essentially, killing their own.


Well unfortunately many are very promiscuous and spread the disease beyond the boundary of other gay homosexual people.



Quite apart from the offensiveness of talking about gay men as if they are not our brothers or part of our community, you are just plan wrong.

Plenty of people who are not gay are involved in the transmission of HIV.

Your entire attitude is old-fashioned, offensive and doesn't accord with the facts.

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RE: PRIDE - 7/5/2017 4:18:29 PM   
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You don't know much about HIV evidently. It is a serious health threat.

And it technically is true that HIV is spread specifically from gay men. That's how it all started.
And more gay men have HIV from sexual intercourse than heterosexual people.

This just tells me for some reason. Many gay men just don't believe in protected sex. But they are essentially, killing their own.


Well unfortunately many are very promiscuous and spread the disease beyond the boundary of other gay homosexual people.



Quite apart from the offensiveness of talking about gay men as if they are not our brothers or part of our community, you are just plan wrong.

Plenty of people who are not gay are involved in the transmission of HIV.

Your entire attitude is old-fashioned, offensive and doesn't accord with the facts.


You are offended if someone sneezes the wrong way. Grow some balls.

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RE: PRIDE - 7/5/2017 4:21:29 PM   
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RE: PRIDE - 7/5/2017 7:42:37 PM   
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if you are offended that men have sex with other men, then you need to grow something bigger than balls, try your brain.



It has nothing to do with being offended. Try growing your brain. I doubt you are capable.

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RE: PRIDE - 7/5/2017 10:36:53 PM   
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You are offended if someone sneezes the wrong way. Grow some balls.


I am not offended at all.

I find your attitude towards gay men offensive.

It's not the same thing.

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