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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
Interestingly do you think that most Muslims agree with FGM? T

100% of Muslim people in my country agree with FGM. 100% of Muslim women in my country have been FGMed.

So this is what the Muslims in my country believe in. And they believe this practice is mandated by Muhammad. It's not from their Malay culture. Literally they believe it's mandated by their Prophet. And they quote hadiths for it.

This is the reality in my world, and in my country. You are only in contact with Western born Muslims who may not be brought up in Islamic values and some may be educated with western ideas, but it doesn't mean that they are representative of the real Islam. And an example of Western Born Muslim is like the only that contributes in this forum, but her claim is that, All Muslim countries in the world are practicing fake Islam that only Western Born Muslims are practicing the real Islam because she cannot believe the real Islam practice in whole Islamic countries could possibly be the real Islam. She was brought up in western culture.

I feel like I am around real Muslims, in a country that legally permits certain aspect of Sharia Law. Like 4 wives and Sharia marriage and divorce. Some western born Muslims try to claim that 4 wives is an Arabic practice and nothing to do with Islam, but that's not what Muhammad said.

And am neighbours with 2 whole Muslim countries. Literally the two closest countries to me are full Islamic countries. Malaysia just permitted public caning for breaking Sharia law. Something like 100 lashes for adultery. But Malaysia is assuring non-muslims that it only applies to Muslims, so I guess that's what make them moderate. And Indonesia is the most populous Islamic country who prosecuted their governor for simply saying it's permitted for muslims to vote for non-muslims. That is probably one of the most radical things ever for a moderate Muslim country. And this wasn't even from their most radical part but by their civil government.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
100% of Muslim people in my country agree with FGM. 100% of Muslim women in my country have been FGMed.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
Interestingly do you think that most Muslims agree with FGM? T

100% of Muslim people in my country agree with FGM. 100% of Muslim women in my country have been FGMed.

So this is what the Muslims in my country believe in. And they believe this practice is mandated by Muhammad. It's not from their Malay culture. Literally they believe it's mandated by their Prophet. And they quote hadiths for it.

This is the reality in my world, and in my country. You are only in contact with Western born Muslims who may not be brought up in Islamic values and some may be educated with western ideas, but it doesn't mean that they are representative of the real Islam. And an example of Western Born Muslim is like the only that contributes in this forum, but her claim is that, All Muslim countries in the world are practicing fake Islam that only Western Born Muslims are practicing the real Islam because she cannot believe the real Islam practice in whole Islamic countries could possibly be the real Islam. She was brought up in western culture.

I feel like I am around real Muslims, in a country that legally permits certain aspect of Sharia Law. Like 4 wives and Sharia marriage and divorce. Some western born Muslims try to claim that 4 wives is an Arabic practice and nothing to do with Islam, but that's not what Muhammad said.

And am neighbours with 2 whole Muslim countries. Literally the two closest countries to me are full Islamic countries. Malaysia just permitted public caning for breaking Sharia law. Something like 100 lashes for adultery. But Malaysia is assuring non-muslims that it only applies to Muslims, so I guess that's what make them moderate. And Indonesia is the most populous Islamic country who prosecuted their governor for simply saying it's permitted for muslims to vote for non-muslims. That is probably one of the most radical things ever for a moderate Muslim country. And this wasn't even from their most radical part but by their civil government.

All fascinating stuff but it is just really an indication of how given half a chance you will turn any subject into more general Muslim-bashing.

FGM is a culturally specific practice, not one observed by all Muslims. The key risk factors are based on geography not religion.

Doesn't stop you coming out with a good rant about Muslims though, does it?

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

the meaningless of your posts is beyond compare...

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

And, apparently, yours.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

And, apparently, yours.

hey mnottertroll, look, one of your fellow comrades agrees with me!

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

honestly, im not aware of one of them really worth talking with.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
Interestingly do you think that most Muslims agree with FGM? T

100% of Muslim people in my country agree with FGM. 100% of Muslim women in my country have been FGMed.

So this is what the Muslims in my country believe in. And they believe this practice is mandated by Muhammad. It's not from their Malay culture. Literally they believe it's mandated by their Prophet. And they quote hadiths for it.

This is the reality in my world, and in my country. You are only in contact with Western born Muslims who may not be brought up in Islamic values and some may be educated with western ideas, but it doesn't mean that they are representative of the real Islam. And an example of Western Born Muslim is like the only that contributes in this forum, but her claim is that, All Muslim countries in the world are practicing fake Islam that only Western Born Muslims are practicing the real Islam because she cannot believe the real Islam practice in whole Islamic countries could possibly be the real Islam. She was brought up in western culture.

I feel like I am around real Muslims, in a country that legally permits certain aspect of Sharia Law. Like 4 wives and Sharia marriage and divorce. Some western born Muslims try to claim that 4 wives is an Arabic practice and nothing to do with Islam, but that's not what Muhammad said.

And am neighbours with 2 whole Muslim countries. Literally the two closest countries to me are full Islamic countries. Malaysia just permitted public caning for breaking Sharia law. Something like 100 lashes for adultery. But Malaysia is assuring non-muslims that it only applies to Muslims, so I guess that's what make them moderate. And Indonesia is the most populous Islamic country who prosecuted their governor for simply saying it's permitted for muslims to vote for non-muslims. That is probably one of the most radical things ever for a moderate Muslim country. And this wasn't even from their most radical part but by their civil government.

All fascinating stuff but it is just really an indication of how given half a chance you will turn any subject into more general Muslim-bashing.

FGM is a culturally specific practice, not one observed by all Muslims. The key risk factors are based on geography not religion.

Doesn't stop you coming out with a good rant about Muslims though, does it?

Standing up for Muslim girls isn't Muslim bashing

You are an idiot

Muslim bashing is what you do, pretend that they are retards so anything they do including mutilate girls is okay

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Which, speaking the truth about such things can only mean that you hate Muslims...

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
whereas attacking all Muslims for supporting FGM, when it is a minority practice concentrated in certain cultural groups, is just prejudice.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
it's catching the perpetrators in the first place because of the conspiracy of silence that surrounds FGM. In other words it isn't necessarily a democrat versus republican issue in the first place.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
whereas attacking all Muslims for supporting FGM, when it is a minority practice concentrated in certain cultural groups, is just prejudice.

My view is that Islam made FGM mandatory for women. IF there are Muslims on this Universe who are mere humans and unable to fulfill every single obligation required of their religion, that is normal for most religious people, but it is false to say that FGM is not mandatory in Islam. The truth is not prejudice, just facts. FGM is Islam!

For more reading on this:
https://islamqa.info/en/60314

Circumcision is not an inherited custom as some people claim, rather it is prescribed in Islam and the scholars are unanimously agreed that it is prescribed. Not a single Muslim scholar – as far as we know – has said that circumcision is not prescribed.

Their evidence is to be found in the saheeh ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which prove that it is prescribed, for example:

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The hadeeth narrated by al-Bukhaari (5889) and Muslim (257) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him), that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The fitrah is five things – or five things are part of the fitrah – circumcision, shaving the pubes, cutting the nails, plucking the armpit hairs, and trimming the moustache."

This hadeeth includes circumcision of both males and females.

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Muslim (349) narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) mentioned the two circumcised parts, i.e., the circumcised part of the husband and the circumcised part of the wife, which indicates that a woman may be circumcised just like a man.

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Abu Dawood (5271) narrated from Umm ‘Atiyyah al-Ansaariyyah that a woman used to do circumcisions in Madeenah and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: “Do not go to the extreme in cutting; that is better for the woman and more liked by the husband.” But the scholars differed concerning this hadeeth. Some of them classed it as da’eef (weak) and others classed it as saheeh. It was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood. The fact that circumcision for women is prescribed in Islam is confirmed by the ahaadeeth quoted above, not by this disputed hadeeth.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

honey you dont even know where your peehole is...
your medical knowledge dont mount to a hill o beans.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation