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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/15/2017 1:26:37 AM   
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it's catching the perpetrators in the first place because of the conspiracy of silence that surrounds FGM. In other words it isn't necessarily a democrat versus republican issue in the first place.

If you actually read the article that OP posted.

8 cases of FGM happened. Current laws were helpless in prosecuting those crimes, because of some loopholes in definition that were vague interpretations. This whole "Medically necessary for "health reasons", is seriously a giant loophole. As when it comes to medical science, when people can justify why chemo which are practically poison can be beneficial. Anything can be argued for the sake of health. Just like morphine is illegal as a recreational drug but still heavily used in hospitals when medically necessary.

It leaves a big gapping hole.

I think the court needs to come out with very very clear definition of what type of problems would FGM be necessary for babies to be extra crystal clear and make sure if FGM happens, it wasn't for some frivolous "health reasons" that a very intelligent Muslim doctor who believes in FGM could easily come up with.

Or alternatively, ALL FGM are banned. IF doctors feel FGM is necessary to save a baby's life, then they need to apply to courts and justify the reason and seek approval.

After all, Charlie Gard parents have to apply to courts permission to just seek experimental treatment to save their baby life.

All pro-FGM doctors should do the same.

The whole point of OP is what is going on with this state that they refuse to set clearer laws to protect babies from FGM. This shouldn't even be a confusing thing. Everyone should be a no brainer 100% for it.

I can't even think there would be many situations where FGM is medically necessary to save a baby's life.


Have you spoken to a lawyer or a doctor about these issues?

The whole concept of "medically necessary" or "health benefits" is not a vague legal concept.

There are some rare cases where operations are medically necessary on a woman's external genitals, where there is cancer, trauma or severe infection. Very rarely there might be severe disfigurement at birth. Rather worryingly labial reduction cosmetic surgery is also justified on psychological grounds. FGM does not fall into either of these categories and can be clearly identified.

There should be more prosecutions but the main problem is social values of the communities carrying it out and secrecy surrounding both the practice and its effects. Some states and countries have tried harder or been more successful than others but FGM remains illegal in many countries including the US and Europe.

You seem to be really struggling to find other people you can blame for this other than the specific perpetrators.

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/15/2017 1:45:14 AM   
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honey you dont even know where your peehole is...
your medical knowledge dont mount to a hill o beans.


It doesn't matter. Fact is that 8 FGM cases could not be prosecuted due to loopholes.

You guys citing Federal covers it are sideswiping the point that federal law is not air tight enough. Infact, they have to keep amending it to make it more and more air tight. Last amendments in 2013 I think to prosecute parents who bring their daughters overseas to do FGM too.

But still loop holed somewhere, medically. I don't have to be a medical expert to see that, there is enough concern that 8 cases went through scot free due to insufficient clear definition in the law.

You guys ridicule Bosco by saying it is already the Federal Law are like totally ignoring that the Federal law has loopholes and which is puzzling why this state knows there are loopholes but are hesitating to close them.

ridicule because like you,bosco brushes everyone with the same brush, and lies







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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/15/2017 2:12:56 AM   
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

I gave you an authentic Islamic Q&A site for Muslims to seek advice and clear their doubts about Islam.

And you give me Wikipedia? Who is not an authority in Islam? Not run by Islamic Imams.

Love it!

Islam originated from this man called Muhammad. Muhammad may have stolen the circumicsion ideas from African Tribes, but he IS the originator of Islam who set the law that FGM is necessary for women.

The Quran is not the only official holy book of Islam. It does not work like Christianity where there is only the bible. The Hadiths are as authentic as the Quran, and Islam is practically based on how the Hadith explains how the Quran verses are interpreted.

"Quran-Only-Muslims" is a Western Born Muslim idea to find a way to make Islam more compatible with western laws. But not what the real Islam is.


That is just so wrong in so many ways I can hardly even start to explain it.

All Hadiths are not all the same and every Hadith is not accepted by every Muslim so you can't just pick a single Hadith and say that is what every Muslim believes or must do. Different Hadiths support very different interpretations of Islam so they cannot all be equally "right" or "authentic".

You are also wrong about Christianity only having the bible. There are books of common prayer etc which actually define worship, which is not defined in the bible. There are also numerous texts which interpret the bible. They do not any longer have the standing of the Hadiths because Christianity, unlike Islam, is based on well defined "Churches", e.g. Orthodox, Catholic, Episcopal, Presbyterian, which have moved so far away from each other that, ecumenicalism aside, followers often do not think they are even in the same faith as people from another church.

So don't quote me what an Imam has said or what any individual Hadith says and tell me it's the settled view of all Muslims, because it's just not true, just as your views do not represent all Singaporeans. And don't start on that subject either because I know Chinese Singaporeans who have radically different views to yours.

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/15/2017 5:55:08 AM   
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You refuse to allow Muslims to be defined, even by someone who lives among them every day

Which is very typical of the leftist mindset - "We must remain ignorant, for facts and knowledge make us bigoted and judgmental"

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/15/2017 6:21:05 AM   
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ridicule because like you,bosco brushes everyone with the same brush, and lies



No lies, ever. That's just your desperation to remain as ignorant as possible speaking

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/15/2017 6:04:26 PM   
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You refuse to allow Muslims to be defined, even by someone who lives among them every day

Which is very typical of the leftist mindset - "We must remain ignorant, for facts and knowledge make us bigoted and judgmental"

I mix with Muslims in my everyday life you twonk.

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/15/2017 6:39:15 PM   
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You refuse to allow Muslims to be defined, even by someone who lives among them every day

Which is very typical of the leftist mindset - "We must remain ignorant, for facts and knowledge make us bigoted and judgmental"

I mix with Muslims in my everyday life you twonk.


You are a moron, even if you really do see Muslims at your work that doesn't change the truth of what I wrote

You refuse to allow Greta to describe what she sees on a daily basis, you are determined to remain stupid

It's what leftists do

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/15/2017 10:47:01 PM   
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Surely, muslims can only really be defined by themselves ? Others definitions tend to be only labels we put on them with our own biases and opinions and have no grounding in reality.

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/16/2017 5:22:31 AM   
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Surely, muslims can only really be defined by themselves ? Others definitions tend to be only labels we put on them with our own biases and opinions and have no grounding in reality.

Yes. Indeed! (I know it's a big ask but could you please make that point to rm sometime at your convenience please?)

Another major flaw with definitions imposed on others is that they are very often derogatory and designed to marginalise that group.

It's amazing that these points have to be made on a kink site isn't it? I would have thought that most of us have been on the receiving end of these derogatory labels at some point in our lives, know the pain and damage they can cause and really ought to know better. But you can never tell with looney Right wingers can you?

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/16/2017 6:13:52 AM   
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Surely, muslims can only really be defined by themselves ? Others definitions tend to be only labels we put on them with our own biases and opinions and have no grounding in reality.


That's the insane game leftists tries to play, anyway

Muslims define themselves every day, read the news

Greta makes observations based on them defining themselves

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/16/2017 6:29:03 AM   
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Muslims define themselves every day, read the news

So do republicans. Maybe we should remove all of their civil rights as well? They've done your country a lot more harm since the turn of the millennium than the moslems have managed, after all.

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/16/2017 8:25:18 AM   
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Yeah, let's keep pretending that the pussyhats are right to encourage and support the spread of the Islamic cult

From National Geographic:

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Widows and the Law

There are about 259 million widows, and nearly half live in poverty, according to the United Nations. Even where laws protect their rights, widows are sometimes mistreated. In parts of Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, widows can suffer discrimination, sexual assault, and the seizure of their property and children.


The Muslim parts - see the chart about 2/3ds down the article

"Inheritance rights are not equally guaranteed under the law, or widows have no inheritance rights."

Islam is the law there


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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/16/2017 1:08:52 PM   
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You refuse to allow Muslims to be defined, even by someone who lives among them every day

Which is very typical of the leftist mindset - "We must remain ignorant, for facts and knowledge make us bigoted and judgmental"

I mix with Muslims in my everyday life you twonk.


You are a moron, even if you really do see Muslims at your work that doesn't change the truth of what I wrote

You refuse to allow Greta to describe what she sees on a daily basis, you are determined to remain stupid

It's what leftists do

The best you can do is to insult me and completely misrepresent what I am saying.

Your contribution to this entire thread is based on the following flawed reasoning.

The Democrats in Maine have not enacted a state law to supplement the Federal law on FGM. They are therefore condoning FGM and complicit in it. This of course is what you would expect from lefties who love Muslims and support everything they do. The lefties loving Muslims so much is of course a huge problem because Muslims are all ordered to engage in a jihad against the West, and anybody who isn't against Muslims is supporting terrorism and all sorts of other things like stoning and corporal punishment. Anyone on these Boards therefore who argues to the contrary on any of these points is a a lefty, a Muslim lover and condones any crime carried out by Muslims.

The following statements are therefore made for the avoidance of doubt.

The Maine Democrats are not pro FGM, nor I imagine is any politician in Maine.

Nobody posting on this thread (lefty or not) is pro FGM.

There have been failures and successes prosecuting FGM as a crime across the world. The most significant factor is the secrecy around FGM, which means that there is frequently too little evidence for prosecutions, not the law itself. Sustained public information campaigns and very careful work with victims is required to overcome this.

FGM is culturally specific and is concentrated in certain countries and regions. It not carried out by all Muslims everywhere in the world. Even where FGM is carried out it is not exclusively Muslim, being carried out by local Christians for example, and often the majority of Muslim families reject it as barbaric. In many regions which have Muslim majorities there is no FGM. Most FGM is carried out by Muslims but this is not the same as saying that most Muslims support FGM.

The idea that all Muslims follow the same teachings is a myth. There are different, mutually exclusive, schools of thought, expressed in different Hadiths. All Muslims are not being required by their Imams or anyone else to carry out FGM, nor are all Muslims hell-bent on the destruction of the West or Western culture. Some Muslims may well believe their culture is superior but you too believe your culture is superior as well BoscoX.

Nobody on these Boards supports everything that every Muslim does in the world. That would be ridiculous. They may object to you characterising every Muslim as a potential terrorist or supporter of FGM, but the so-called "lefty Muslim lovers" you so ridicule all tend to be against violence, disfigurement and the oppression of women. They may disagree with you about how to address these problems and tell you that condemning Muslims as a group will not help. That does not constitute condoning everything that every Muslim does, any more than they would support everything every Christian or Atheist does. I think the US is a great country but some fairly terrible things happen there. I do not condemn every American for every bad thing their citizens do. Opposing FGM and being anti-Muslim are not the same thing however hard you try to make it so.

Greta is not an authority on Muslims. She is a Board user with an enormous prejudice against Muslims, who believes that they are infiltrating her life, stopping her eating pork and taking over her country, despite the fact that the Chinese are the majority ethnic group in Singapore and Islam comes a poor fourth in terms of religion after Buddhism, Christianity and no religion. Other Board users are better informed than Greta, are Muslims themselves or live in areas with a higher proportion of Muslims than Singapore. I mix with Muslims in my personal and professional life, as well as on the streets. Greta's perspective is therefore just one point of view, and a particularly prejudiced one. There is no basis for calling other people "morons" if they do not share her views.

Your obsessive ideation about a global Muslim conspiracy, combined with your "if you're not for me you're against me ideology" leads to you seeing reds under every bed threatening your way of life, whatever the evidence to the contrary.

I live in a country where FGM is illegal, where doctors and family members have been successfully prosecuted, and where Muslims have come forward to the Police to report FGM as a crime. It is not a left wing or right wing issue. Both sides of the political spectrum are against FGM, as are Muslim politicians.

It is your obsession which tries to link "lefties" in Maine, and "lefties" on this site, with FGM because of your bizarre belief that they are in league with the global Muslim conspiracy.

It's all in your head.

Give yourself a break.

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/16/2017 2:12:13 PM   
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It's all in your head.



You are a moron

I cited a legitimate news source

Keep trying though, those Muslims aren't going to apologize for themselves

They think that FGM (and every other atrocity they carry out in Allah's name) is great, many of them.

Very large percentages





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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/17/2017 12:06:56 AM   
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Looks like its nutsucker sponsered FGM to any intelligent American they have run the legislature for how long now, and all they have done is some FGM and named postoffices after St. Wrinklemeat, and borrowed and spent like innumerate nutsuckers.

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/17/2017 1:25:32 AM   
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I told everyone on this one to leave it well alone

Anyone worked out why?

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/17/2017 12:07:24 PM   
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That is just so wrong in so many ways I can hardly even start to explain it.

All Hadiths are not all the same and every Hadith is not accepted by every Muslim so you can't just pick a single Hadith and say that is what every Muslim believes or must do. Different Hadiths support very different interpretations of Islam so they cannot all be equally "right" or "authentic".

Dude, for Muslims who believe in Hadiths, there are only 2 most undisputed Hadiths. Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. Any Muslims who do not believe in those 2 Hadith would not believe in any other Hadith and are Quran Only Muslims (Mainly Western born Muslims).

So, I don't think you even understand the ranking of the authenticities of the Hadiths in Islam universally. AND, the verses quoted that support FGM in Islam are from one of the 2 most authentic Hadith.

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You are also wrong about Christianity only having the bible. There are books of common prayer etc which actually define worship, which is not defined in the bible.

Now this is bullshit. I have never known Christianity to ever have other books except the Bible. This is now totally lying to say that there are other books in Christianity as authentic about Jesus life as the bible. Name one that universally ALL Christians of the world respect.

Sahih Bukahari is universally respected by ALL Muslims world wide as authentic guide to the Quran, except the fake Quran Only Muslims who are Western born.

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/17/2017 12:09:41 PM   
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You seem to be really struggling to find other people you can blame for this other than the specific perpetrators.

Do you even understand what the OP post was about?

This was about doctors legally doing FGM in the US. Due to loopholes of the law. And since the whole article was about the refusal of state law to have FGM more clearly defined to protect those women and are happy to stick to just the Federal Law Definition.

I am questioning what people AGAINST FGM is having against having even more strict and precise definitions?

And it is my speculation that "for health reason" is vague definition. This is the US after all where circumcision of male is deem necessary for "health reasons".

Not people doing it illegally in their homes or whatever.

I mean US is like this non-jew, non-muslim country who practically got all their males circumcised for "health reasons". That's how crazy that definition is and how dangerous.

The male circumcision is so bad in the US that females there are gross out by a normal looking cock with foreskin on it.

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/18/2017 5:17:06 AM   
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So much complete faeces in one thread.

So many accusations. So much Muslim bashing.

Good night.

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RE: The Pussyhat Party Goes Easy On Female Genital Muti... - 7/18/2017 5:19:43 AM   
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So much complete faeces in one thread.

So many accusations. So much Muslim bashing.

Good night.

And your heart bleeds for the very religion that is the cause of alot of oppression in this world happening right now. Not in the safety of UK because it's not a Muslim country that is subjected to the laws of that religion.

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