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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 11:48:23 PM   
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CCW holders have les than 1/3 the crime rate of the police.


Your statement would make it would appear that cops are just crooks in uniform


A certain small percentage are.
Unfortunately, the vast majority who are good people seem to always want to protect them.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 11:57:34 PM   
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Well, for the first thing, someone who legally owns a gun is very UNLIKELY to get involved in a gun fight with the police, anyone with two (or more) brain cells that communicate with each other knows that.

Wait, did you read OP news? It was about a gun carrying civilian who shot the police who was choosing to use the benevolent taser instead of a gun against him.

So what's this about gun owners not getting into a gun fight with the police again?

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Secondly, if police were to assume that ALL people stopped or encountered are armed, you can sure as hell count on the number of unarmed civilians shot or killed by cops to go up, (and you seem to have a lot to say about unarmed people being killed by police in the US as wrong.)

The police DOES assume every civilian carry guns. That's why some of the right leaning folks here keep emphasizing about proper protocol when a police approach you, keep both hands within sight away from their bodies and no sudden jerky movement. They keep talking about the correct way to behave when a police officer approaches you, so that you won't get shot. It's precisely because the officer assume you have a concealed gun somewhere that's why all these precautions needed. And seriously I KNOW I am gonna get shot if a US Police ever approach me. I am gonna be all Jerky movement and not co-operating and getting angry.

Whereas in a gun free country, I can over-react ALL I want with Police approaching me. No worries about being shot or getting tasered at all. Because the police isn't worried you have a gun. The police aren't worried for their own safety. So they can just relax and watch you melt down and be chill.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 3:04:21 AM   
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He fit the description of the person trying to steal groceries. Any reasonably intelligent person would have taken their hands out of their pocket. Orr is an idiot, his actions almost assured a confrontation and he instigated the violence.

I agree: Orr is an idiot. But he was not given a specific reason to stop, other than threats of harm. He was not advancing on the officer.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 3:14:26 AM   
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In the video, the people in the store (multiple witnesses) described the criminal behavior and pointed him out to the cop, saying "that's him"


Yes, that seems to be true. Or at least, "The one wearing the red bandana." But again, the cop does not give a specific reason for the stop command, and Orr was walking away from the cop. So, the cop's life was not endangered, and Orr was well known in the neighborhood.

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The cop got shot because he was being way too PC in the face of obvious danger, probably playing to the body cam he was wearing
That is just your assumption.


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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 3:16:15 AM   
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Are you telling me he was stealing food?

I am telling you that he was
A stealing food
and
B an idiot

No, he was a person of suspicion. There was no claim that he actually stole food.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 3:26:58 AM   
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Are you telling me he was stealing food?

Iced tea and skittles, d00d, which is a shooting offence in Florida at least.

Arizona watermelon iced tea and skittles are two of the three ingredients to make "Taht Purple Drank". An illigal intoxicant. Which, of course, your liberal web sites just forgot to mention.

They mention the fact that the concoction in question normally uses jolly ranchers rather than skittles.
I'd be interested to know how the dead thug was planning to make that stuff without cough syrup, myself.


And, let's not forget that it's usually Sprite or Mountain Dew as the mixer, not Arizona watermelon iced tea (never knew there was even a watermelon tea; seems ridiculous to me, but, whatever).

The cough syrup could have already been procured, too.


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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 3:41:03 AM   
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Well, for the first thing, someone who legally owns a gun is very UNLIKELY to get involved in a gun fight with the police, anyone with two (or more) brain cells that communicate with each other knows that.

Wait, did you read OP news? It was about a gun carrying civilian who shot the police who was choosing to use the benevolent taser instead of a gun against him.
So what's this about gun owners not getting into a gun fight with the police again?


You missed two points, one of which is incredibly vital, Greta. Jeff referenced someone who LEGALLY owns a gun being very unlikely to get involved in a gun fight with the police.

Your question to that statement demonstrates that you don't understand that "incredibly unlikely" does not mean "never." Thus, just because someone is incredibly unlikely to do a thing, that doesn't mean that person will never do that thing. And, your question also demonstrates that you don't understand the difference between someone who legally owns a gun and someone who does not legally own a gun. In Ohio (which is my State, and my statement may or may not be valid for any other State), it is legal to openly carry a gun, but you need a permit to legally carry a gun concealed. So, if I'm walking down the street while armed, I had either be carrying so the gun isn't concealed, or have a permit to carry it concealed.

Was Orr legally allowed to carry a gun? If he was, that still doesn't make Jeff's claim any less true.


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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 4:14:44 AM   
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Specifically in the US, you are dealing with people who everyone is carrying guns. A taser is useless in their situation. When all the civilians have guns, all the cop can do is aim his gun at them too.

Because usually all these shooting incident starts with the police fearing the guy is taking out his gun to shoot.


Gun ownership in the US has declined from around 50% in the 1970s to ~ 30% today.

What has changed is that there are more nut cases thinking like you do in the US, that it's all just a big WWE wrestling match re politics and everything else.

Most of the gun owners I know haven't taken the thing out of the side drawer or whatever cabinet it was in for 20 years. Other than this one commie 'far far left!' guy I know (by sanity/bozo standards) who loves target practice and range shooting.

So the shooting starts because apparently it has become requisite in police hiring in the US to take on within the force only those who are the biggest chickenshits and most amenable to any kind of nonsense they are told with out question. So then they can't understand those who are not as unquestioning as they are and and are too easily freaked out in that occurrence.

So to be more specific; any country that would allow someone with your mind to have a gun would be gone in the next five years. There's a reason why guns are verboten in Singapore. It's called national self preservation, considering the mindset of people like you within their borders.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 4:48:53 AM   
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Are you telling me he was stealing food?

I am telling you that he was
A stealing food
and
B an idiot

No, he was a person of suspicion. There was no claim that he actually stole food.


If you watched the video then it's obvious that you choose to be ignorant.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 4:54:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire
Are you telling me he was stealing food?

Iced tea and skittles, d00d, which is a shooting offence in Florida at least.

Arizona watermelon iced tea and skittles are two of the three ingredients to make "Taht Purple Drank". An illigal intoxicant. Which, of course, your liberal web sites just forgot to mention.

They mention the fact that the concoction in question normally uses jolly ranchers rather than skittles.
I'd be interested to know how the dead thug was planning to make that stuff without cough syrup, myself.


And, let's not forget that it's usually Sprite or Mountain Dew as the mixer, not Arizona watermelon iced tea (never knew there was even a watermelon tea; seems ridiculous to me, but, whatever).

The cough syrup could have already been procured, too.


To be honest, it's just the jolly ranchers that stuck in my head out of the recipe as you can't get those over here. Good point about the mixer, though. If something's sold as iced tea, it might not even be carbonated.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 6:14:15 AM   
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To be honest, it's just the jolly ranchers that stuck in my head out of the recipe as you can't get those over here. Good point about the mixer, though. If something's sold as iced tea, it might not even be carbonated.


WTF?!?!? You can't get Jolly Ranchers in Venezuela?!?!?


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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 7:25:30 AM   
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To be honest, it's just the jolly ranchers that stuck in my head out of the recipe as you can't get those over here. Good point about the mixer, though. If something's sold as iced tea, it might not even be carbonated.


WTF?!?!? You can't get Jolly Ranchers in Venezuela?!?!?



That communist oppression's a real bitch sometimes, mate.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 7:46:10 AM   
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To be honest, it's just the jolly ranchers that stuck in my head out of the recipe as you can't get those over here. Good point about the mixer, though. If something's sold as iced tea, it might not even be carbonated.


WTF?!?!? You can't get Jolly Ranchers in Venezuela?!?!?



You want Jolly Ranchers in Venezuela?

Get in line.



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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 8:07:20 AM   
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To be honest, it's just the jolly ranchers that stuck in my head out of the recipe as you can't get those over here. Good point about the mixer, though. If something's sold as iced tea, it might not even be carbonated.


WTF?!?!? You can't get Jolly Ranchers in Venezuela?!?!?



You want Jolly Ranchers in Venezuela?

Get in line.


Do you know how they programme the NPCs in videogames to pretend to converse with the player, sport? They're given a set of stock responses to to specific keywords.
Not that you're the only poster on here who probably couldn't pass a Turing test, mind...

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 9:25:02 AM   
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Well, for the first thing, someone who legally owns a gun is very UNLIKELY to get involved in a gun fight with the police, anyone with two (or more) brain cells that communicate with each other knows that.

Wait, did you read OP news? It was about a gun carrying civilian who shot the police who was choosing to use the benevolent taser instead of a gun against him.

So what's this about gun owners not getting into a gun fight with the police again?

quote:

Secondly, if police were to assume that ALL people stopped or encountered are armed, you can sure as hell count on the number of unarmed civilians shot or killed by cops to go up, (and you seem to have a lot to say about unarmed people being killed by police in the US as wrong.)

The police DOES assume every civilian carry guns. That's why some of the right leaning folks here keep emphasizing about proper protocol when a police approach you, keep both hands within sight away from their bodies and no sudden jerky movement. They keep talking about the correct way to behave when a police officer approaches you, so that you won't get shot. It's precisely because the officer assume you have a concealed gun somewhere that's why all these precautions needed. And seriously I KNOW I am gonna get shot if a US Police ever approach me. I am gonna be all Jerky movement and not co-operating and getting angry.

Whereas in a gun free country, I can over-react ALL I want with Police approaching me. No worries about being shot or getting tasered at all. Because the police isn't worried you have a gun. The police aren't worried for their own safety. So they can just relax and watch you melt down and be chill.


LEGITIMATE gun owners don't get into gunfights with the police.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 9:27:52 AM   
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Are you telling me he was stealing food?

I am telling you that he was
A stealing food
and
B an idiot

No, he was a person of suspicion. There was no claim that he actually stole food.

He was pointed out by the victims, and as usual the tape doesn't show everything.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 9:31:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75
Specifically in the US, you are dealing with people who everyone is carrying guns. A taser is useless in their situation. When all the civilians have guns, all the cop can do is aim his gun at them too.

Because usually all these shooting incident starts with the police fearing the guy is taking out his gun to shoot.


Gun ownership in the US has declined from around 50% in the 1970s to ~ 30% today.

What has changed is that there are more nut cases thinking like you do in the US, that it's all just a big WWE wrestling match re politics and everything else.

Most of the gun owners I know haven't taken the thing out of the side drawer or whatever cabinet it was in for 20 years. Other than this one commie 'far far left!' guy I know (by sanity/bozo standards) who loves target practice and range shooting.

So the shooting starts because apparently it has become requisite in police hiring in the US to take on within the force only those who are the biggest chickenshits and most amenable to any kind of nonsense they are told with out question. So then they can't understand those who are not as unquestioning as they are and and are too easily freaked out in that occurrence.

So to be more specific; any country that would allow someone with your mind to have a gun would be gone in the next five years. There's a reason why guns are verboten in Singapore. It's called national self preservation, considering the mindset of people like you within their borders.


Do remember that it was the cop, and not the thug who was shot.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 9:38:54 AM   
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Are you telling me he was stealing food?

I am telling you that he was
A stealing food
and
B an idiot

No, he was a person of suspicion. There was no claim that he actually stole food.

He was pointed out by the victims, and as usual the tape doesn't show everything.


At about 1:05 into the video a witness points at the criminal and says "that's him under that tree right there" "with the red bandanna" and the cop tells here, yes, I see him"

There was no doubt who the suspect was

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 10:02:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Are you telling me he was stealing food?

I am telling you that he was
A stealing food
and
B an idiot

No, he was a person of suspicion. There was no claim that he actually stole food.

He was pointed out by the victims, and as usual the tape doesn't show everything.


At about 1:05 into the video a witness points at the criminal and says "that's him under that tree right there" "with the red bandanna" and the cop tells here, yes, I see him"

There was no doubt who the suspect was

The video I saw didn't start till the cop was up close telling him to take his hands out of his pockets.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/12/2017 10:05:37 AM   
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Go to the article I posted in the OP, the video there.

http://nypost.com/2017/08/10/shocking-video-shows-moment-cop-is-shot-at-point-blank-range/?ref=yfp

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