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DesideriScuri -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 8:59:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Well, I can also demand.
It may not get me far.
But I can if I choose.


Well, depending on the forcefulness of the demand, I'm sure it can get you quite far away from the freedoms you currently enjoy. lol I highly recommend when dealing with those in government that you stick close to being peaceable.

quote:

If we keep the focus on it, the haters will have their last hurrah, and the next few elections can relegate them finally to history.
I hope.


There will always be haters. They will never be relegated to history. I think if you're hoping that painting the President as a racist will prevent his re-election, I think you're hopes will be dashed. However, I truly believe that Trump himself will provide all the fodder for his not being re-elected. FFS, I truly believe he will be the next Franklin Pierce.




DesideriScuri -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 9:14:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Oh, horsehit. Since he didn't cow to your questioning, you're painting him with what-the-fuck-ever brush you want, with no actual evidence of you're being correct.

If that approach is good enough for all moslems, why isn't it good enough for the whole of the American right? If the first group can be assumed to all agree with their lunatic fringe, why can't the second?
(Not a rhetorical or leading question, or snark: I'm genuinely curious as to how you see the two groups differing over this.)


You are incorrect that the "whole of the American right" believes all Muslims are the same as the "lunatic fringe" of their group.

Do you consider me to be part of the "American right?" It's okay if you do, most will, and they wouldn't be wrong. As a Libertarian, I tend to side with the American right more than the American left. Granted, that rightward lean is strongly influenced by my belief that government has the responsibility for fiscal conservatism. If you read most of the posts on here, you'll see that I'm called a troll by BoscoX plenty of times, and mostly over our differing viewpoints on Muslims. While he seems to believe what you assigned to the American right, he and I still oppose each other on that viewpoint.

When Democrats assign a belief of a small subset to the entire set, I oppose it. When the GOP assigns a belief of a small subset to the entire set, I oppose it. I still believe the vast majority of politicians don't believe that about the opposing party members, but will use it to get a leg up in the polls.




WhoreMods -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 10:56:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
You are incorrect that the "whole of the American right" believes all Muslims are the same as the "lunatic fringe" of their group..


And as that bears no resemblance to what I asked, you're not merely incorrect, but either lying or otherwise evading a question.
Thanks for making it clear that answering a simple question instead of coming out with a load of evasive horseshit in an attempt to move the goalposts is too much to expect of you, though.




DesideriScuri -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 12:09:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
You are incorrect that the "whole of the American right" believes all Muslims are the same as the "lunatic fringe" of their group..

And as that bears no resemblance to what I asked, you're not merely incorrect, but either lying or otherwise evading a question.
Thanks for making it clear that answering a simple question instead of coming out with a load of evasive horseshit in an attempt to move the goalposts is too much to expect of you, though.


What did I get wrong?

You asked:
    quote:

    If that approach is good enough for all moslems, why isn't it good enough for the whole of the American right? If the first group can be assumed to all agree with their lunatic fringe, why can't the second?
    (Not a rhetorical or leading question, or snark: I'm genuinely curious as to how you see the two groups differing over this.)


Well, shit. I see what I did. I misread it as you were asking why it was okay for the American right to consider all Muslims agreeing with the lunatic fringe of Muslims. It was not an attempt to evade or anything.

Lemme try this again...

The approach isn't good enough for all Muslims. The very premise the rest of your post is based on is false.

However, I will say, it's just as good for the entire American right, as it is for all Muslims; iow, it isn't right to do that to either group.





Musicmystery -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 12:44:26 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Well, I can also demand.
It may not get me far.
But I can if I choose.


Well, depending on the forcefulness of the demand, I'm sure it can get you quite far away from the freedoms you currently enjoy. lol I highly recommend when dealing with those in government that you stick close to being peaceable.

quote:

If we keep the focus on it, the haters will have their last hurrah, and the next few elections can relegate them finally to history.
I hope.


There will always be haters. They will never be relegated to history. I think if you're hoping that painting the President as a racist will prevent his re-election, I think you're hopes will be dashed. However, I truly believe that Trump himself will provide all the fodder for his not being re-elected. FFS, I truly believe he will be the next Franklin Pierce.



Carrying Nazi flags is never going to make America great.

And those who carry them are not good people, whatever Trump says.




thompsonx -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 2:16:16 PM)


ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


Carrying Nazi flags is never going to make America great.

And those who carry them are not good people, whatever Trump says.

There was a time when the rules of engagement allowed one to 'pop a cap' in the ass of any motherphoquer carrying a Nazi flag.




thompsonx -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 2:18:06 PM)


ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri


I think if you're hoping that painting the President as a racist will prevent his re-election,

No one is painting the president as anything. The president is his own painter.




tamaka -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 2:20:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Well, I can also demand.
It may not get me far.
But I can if I choose.


Well, depending on the forcefulness of the demand, I'm sure it can get you quite far away from the freedoms you currently enjoy. lol I highly recommend when dealing with those in government that you stick close to being peaceable.

quote:

If we keep the focus on it, the haters will have their last hurrah, and the next few elections can relegate them finally to history.
I hope.


There will always be haters. They will never be relegated to history. I think if you're hoping that painting the President as a racist will prevent his re-election, I think you're hopes will be dashed. However, I truly believe that Trump himself will provide all the fodder for his not being re-elected. FFS, I truly believe he will be the next Franklin Pierce.



Carrying Nazi flags is never going to make America great.

And those who carry them are not good people, whatever Trump says.



There were other people who protested removing the statues that weren't Nazis. That is all he said.




Musicmystery -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 2:21:31 PM)

Right. The nice neo-confederate people.

[8|]

The ones marching with the neo-Nazis.




DesideriScuri -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 2:24:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Well, I can also demand.
It may not get me far.
But I can if I choose.

Well, depending on the forcefulness of the demand, I'm sure it can get you quite far away from the freedoms you currently enjoy. lol I highly recommend when dealing with those in government that you stick close to being peaceable.
quote:

If we keep the focus on it, the haters will have their last hurrah, and the next few elections can relegate them finally to history.
I hope.

There will always be haters. They will never be relegated to history. I think if you're hoping that painting the President as a racist will prevent his re-election, I think you're hopes will be dashed. However, I truly believe that Trump himself will provide all the fodder for his not being re-elected. FFS, I truly believe he will be the next Franklin Pierce.

Carrying Nazi flags is never going to make America great.
And those who carry them are not good people, whatever Trump says.


Was everyone that opposed tearing down the statue carrying a Nazi flag? Is it even a possibility that some of the people who opposed those statues being taken down WEREN'T opposed because they are racists and aren't white supremacists?

This lady opposes the removal of confederate statues.





tamaka -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 2:24:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Right. The nice neo-confederate people.

[8|]

The ones marching with the neo-Nazis.


Some people simply don't feel they want the history of their country erased and/or dismantled. Some people appreciate relics, etc.




Musicmystery -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 2:33:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Well, I can also demand.
It may not get me far.
But I can if I choose.

Well, depending on the forcefulness of the demand, I'm sure it can get you quite far away from the freedoms you currently enjoy. lol I highly recommend when dealing with those in government that you stick close to being peaceable.
quote:

If we keep the focus on it, the haters will have their last hurrah, and the next few elections can relegate them finally to history.
I hope.

There will always be haters. They will never be relegated to history. I think if you're hoping that painting the President as a racist will prevent his re-election, I think you're hopes will be dashed. However, I truly believe that Trump himself will provide all the fodder for his not being re-elected. FFS, I truly believe he will be the next Franklin Pierce.

Carrying Nazi flags is never going to make America great.
And those who carry them are not good people, whatever Trump says.


Was everyone that opposed tearing down the statue carrying a Nazi flag? Is it even a possibility that some of the people who opposed those statues being taken down WEREN'T opposed because they are racists and aren't white supremacists?

This lady opposes the removal of confederate statues.



Yeah. That's why all the flags were confederate and Nazi.

Hey--maybe it's possible some of them were Japanese tourists looking for photo opportunities!




thompsonx -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 2:43:19 PM)

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Was everyone that opposed tearing down the statue carrying a Nazi flag?

No dumbass some had guns some had clubs.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



Is it even a possibility that some of the people who opposed those statues being taken down WEREN'T opposed
because they are racists and aren't white supremacists?


What reason might a sane person have for joining the nazis and the kkk in a demonstration other than being a racist bigot.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


This lady opposes the removal of confederate statues.


Well there you have it one black woman speaks for all blacks. Obviously by that metric david duke speaks for you.




bounty44 -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 2:50:31 PM)

I see over and over how musicmystery misrepresents the "other side."




thompsonx -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 2:55:02 PM)


ORIGINAL: bounty44

I see over and over how musicmystery misrepresents the "other side."


the only representation I have thus far seen him make is that the nazis and the kkk are less than the good guys that the nazi sycophants claim.




AtUrCervix -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 3:04:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — A planned protest in Virginia by white nationalists was abandoned on Saturday after a spate of violence prompted the governor to declare a state of emergency and law enforcement officers to clear the area.

The demonstration, which both organizers and critics had said was the largest gathering of white nationalists in recent years, turned violent almost immediately and left several people injured.

The turmoil began with a march Friday night and escalated Saturday morning as hundreds of white nationalists gathered. Waving Confederate flags, chanting Nazi-era slogans, wearing helmets and carrying shields, they converged on a statue of Robert E. Lee in the city’s Emancipation Park and began chanting phrases like “You will not replace us,” and “Jew will not replace us.”

Hundreds of counterprotesters quickly surrounded the crowd, chanting and carrying their own signs.

By 11 a.m., the scene had exploded into taunting, shoving and outright brawling. Barricades encircling the park and separating the two sides began to come down, and police temporarily retreated. People were seen clubbing one another in the streets, and pepper spray filled the air.

Police cleared the area before noon, and the Virginia National Guard arrived as officers began arresting some who remained for unlawful assembly. But fears lingered that the altercation would start again nearby, even as politicians, including Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a Democrat, and House Speaker Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, a Republican, condemned the violence.

A couple hours later, a car plowed into a crowd of counterprotesters, and city officials said there were multiple injuries after a three-car crash.

Emergency medical personnel treated eight people after the earlier clashes, the Charlottesville Police Department said. It was not immediately clear how severely they were hurt. Several area hospitals did not return telephone calls seeking information.

The fight was the latest in a series of tense dramas unfolding across the United States over plans to remove statues and other historic markers of the Confederacy. The battles have been intensified by the election of President Trump, who enjoys fervent support from white nationalists.

The president commented on the violence Saturday afternoon, tweeting, “We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!”

The protest, billed as a “Unite the Right” rally, was the culmination of a year and a half of debate in Charlottesville over the fate of the Lee statue. A movement to remove it began when an African-American high school student here started a petition. The City Council voted 3 to 2 in April to sell it, but a judge issued an injunction temporarily stopping the move.

The city had been bracing for a sea of alt-right demonstrators, and on Friday night, hundreds of them, carrying lit torches, marched on the picturesque grounds of the University of Virginia, founded in 1819 by Thomas Jefferson. The group included prominent white nationalist figures like Richard Spencer and David Duke, a former imperial wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

“We’re going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump” to “take our country back,” Mr. Duke told reporters Saturday. Many of the white nationalist protesters carried campaign signs for Mr. Trump.

University officials said one person was arrested and charged Friday night with assault and disorderly conduct, and several others were injured. Among those hurt was a university police officer injured while making the arrest, the school said in a statement.

Theresa A. Sullivan, the president of the university, strongly condemned the Friday demonstration in a statement, calling it “disturbing and unacceptable.”

Still, officials allowed the Saturday protest to go on — until the injuries began piling up.

The city of Charlottesville declared a state of emergency at around 11 a.m., citing an “imminent threat of civil disturbance, unrest, potential injury to persons, and destruction of public and personal property.”

Governor McAuliffe followed with his own declaration an hour later.

“It is now clear that public safety cannot be safeguarded without additional powers, and that the mostly-out-of-state protesters have come to Virginia to endanger our citizens and property,” Governor McAuliffe said in a statement. “I am disgusted by the hatred, bigotry and violence these protesters have brought to our state over the past 24 hours.”

The Republican candidate for governor in Virginia, Ed Gillespie, issued his own statement denouncing the protests as “vile hate” that has “no place in our Commonwealth.”

Mr. Ryan agreed. “The views fueling the spectacle in Charlottesville are repugnant,” he said on Twitter. “Let it only serve to unite Americans against this kind of vile bigotry.”

More (including videos): https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/charlottesville-protest-white-nationalist.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


So...without getting involved with everyone else's temperate (or intemperate)...boooooooshit (because...I tend to think for myself....crazy shit...I know....so, I really don't give a fuck what other's opinions are....on any particular subject)...here's my thoughts:

I support the Prez (because he's the Prez and...until YOU want to run for that agency...and want to stand up in front of 300 million people...and get every corpuscle ripped out in front of the world press...your opinion don't mean shit).

With that said...the guy who currently occupies the big chair...is.....a dick. With Twitter.

I have NO idea what it's like to have my hand on "the football". I have NO idea what it's like to deal with THE WORLD on my desk...every morning.

(Before breakfast).

And ANYONE that claims superior knowledge...having NOT RUN for this office....or....having NOT sat in THAT chair......is a total fucking moron.

That said...this man is FAR more than a dick with ears and yet....he sits in the big chair. (And YOU don't).

And until YOU want to run the race to do that job....any time YOU bitch about what it takes...or that you could do better...you're a fucking ignoramus...to the 97th degree.

There ya go...bring it...and if you do...unless you can solve the whole gawdamn fucking everything....YOU don't know shit.

Either DO so...or shut the fuck up.

That laid out...I fucking hate this guy (more so every motherfucking day)....but...he's the gawdamn fucking Prez....so...either step the fuck up...or shut the fuck up.




WickedsDesire -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 3:08:12 PM)

You are poisonous folly and lack the capacity to see reality other than your own twisted narrative of bent dogsbreath44.

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thompsonx -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 3:14:42 PM)


ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

YOU don't know shit.

Opinion unmared by facts.

Either DO so...or shut the fuck up.

It is always nice to know who the nazis are.
You are not from around here so your ignorance is understandable. The nature of amerikan government is that we are allowed to complain loudly and proudly. Sorry that burns your ass maybe you should stay out of amerika if you do not like how we do things here.








WickedsDesire -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 3:22:28 PM)

The president is a fuking idiot mess and absolute monster - how does one support orange jobbies anyway?

Over to Flash Gordon

i better do the ted fight scene too eh!




tamaka -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/17/2017 3:39:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — A planned protest in Virginia by white nationalists was abandoned on Saturday after a spate of violence prompted the governor to declare a state of emergency and law enforcement officers to clear the area.

The demonstration, which both organizers and critics had said was the largest gathering of white nationalists in recent years, turned violent almost immediately and left several people injured.

The turmoil began with a march Friday night and escalated Saturday morning as hundreds of white nationalists gathered. Waving Confederate flags, chanting Nazi-era slogans, wearing helmets and carrying shields, they converged on a statue of Robert E. Lee in the city’s Emancipation Park and began chanting phrases like “You will not replace us,” and “Jew will not replace us.”

Hundreds of counterprotesters quickly surrounded the crowd, chanting and carrying their own signs.

By 11 a.m., the scene had exploded into taunting, shoving and outright brawling. Barricades encircling the park and separating the two sides began to come down, and police temporarily retreated. People were seen clubbing one another in the streets, and pepper spray filled the air.

Police cleared the area before noon, and the Virginia National Guard arrived as officers began arresting some who remained for unlawful assembly. But fears lingered that the altercation would start again nearby, even as politicians, including Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a Democrat, and House Speaker Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, a Republican, condemned the violence.

A couple hours later, a car plowed into a crowd of counterprotesters, and city officials said there were multiple injuries after a three-car crash.

Emergency medical personnel treated eight people after the earlier clashes, the Charlottesville Police Department said. It was not immediately clear how severely they were hurt. Several area hospitals did not return telephone calls seeking information.

The fight was the latest in a series of tense dramas unfolding across the United States over plans to remove statues and other historic markers of the Confederacy. The battles have been intensified by the election of President Trump, who enjoys fervent support from white nationalists.

The president commented on the violence Saturday afternoon, tweeting, “We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!”

The protest, billed as a “Unite the Right” rally, was the culmination of a year and a half of debate in Charlottesville over the fate of the Lee statue. A movement to remove it began when an African-American high school student here started a petition. The City Council voted 3 to 2 in April to sell it, but a judge issued an injunction temporarily stopping the move.

The city had been bracing for a sea of alt-right demonstrators, and on Friday night, hundreds of them, carrying lit torches, marched on the picturesque grounds of the University of Virginia, founded in 1819 by Thomas Jefferson. The group included prominent white nationalist figures like Richard Spencer and David Duke, a former imperial wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

“We’re going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump” to “take our country back,” Mr. Duke told reporters Saturday. Many of the white nationalist protesters carried campaign signs for Mr. Trump.

University officials said one person was arrested and charged Friday night with assault and disorderly conduct, and several others were injured. Among those hurt was a university police officer injured while making the arrest, the school said in a statement.

Theresa A. Sullivan, the president of the university, strongly condemned the Friday demonstration in a statement, calling it “disturbing and unacceptable.”

Still, officials allowed the Saturday protest to go on — until the injuries began piling up.

The city of Charlottesville declared a state of emergency at around 11 a.m., citing an “imminent threat of civil disturbance, unrest, potential injury to persons, and destruction of public and personal property.”

Governor McAuliffe followed with his own declaration an hour later.

“It is now clear that public safety cannot be safeguarded without additional powers, and that the mostly-out-of-state protesters have come to Virginia to endanger our citizens and property,” Governor McAuliffe said in a statement. “I am disgusted by the hatred, bigotry and violence these protesters have brought to our state over the past 24 hours.”

The Republican candidate for governor in Virginia, Ed Gillespie, issued his own statement denouncing the protests as “vile hate” that has “no place in our Commonwealth.”

Mr. Ryan agreed. “The views fueling the spectacle in Charlottesville are repugnant,” he said on Twitter. “Let it only serve to unite Americans against this kind of vile bigotry.”

More (including videos): https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/charlottesville-protest-white-nationalist.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


So...without getting involved with everyone else's temperate (or intemperate)...boooooooshit (because...I tend to think for myself....crazy shit...I know....so, I really don't give a fuck what other's opinions are....on any particular subject)...here's my thoughts:

I support the Prez (because he's the Prez and...until YOU want to run for that agency...and want to stand up in front of 300 million people...and get every corpuscle ripped out in front of the world press...your opinion don't mean shit).

With that said...the guy who currently occupies the big chair...is.....a dick. With Twitter.

I have NO idea what it's like to have my hand on "the football". I have NO idea what it's like to deal with THE WORLD on my desk...every morning.

(Before breakfast).

And ANYONE that claims superior knowledge...having NOT RUN for this office....or....having NOT sat in THAT chair......is a total fucking moron.

That said...this man is FAR more than a dick with ears and yet....he sits in the big chair. (And YOU don't).

And until YOU want to run the race to do that job....any time YOU bitch about what it takes...or that you could do better...you're a fucking ignoramus...to the 97th degree.

There ya go...bring it...and if you do...unless you can solve the whole gawdamn fucking everything....YOU don't know shit.

Either DO so...or shut the fuck up.

That laid out...I fucking hate this guy (more so every motherfucking day)....but...he's the gawdamn fucking Prez....so...either step the fuck up...or shut the fuck up.


He has become our whipping boy. Not that some of it wasn't deserved, but right now it isn't.




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