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Nnanji -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 9:59:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Except it doesn't stop at "decrying" them, which I support "decrying" them. Alt left trash at every level, from those in the media to those in political office all the way down to you evil minions in the street, have decided that you must personally police dissenting speech with mob violence You are confusing conservative support for free speech and the freedom of assembly with support for the very kind of fascist behavior that alt left trash engages in with your violence and your thought crime stupidity Okay, while I agree with your point, up to the left being the only ones bitching, simply because I remember various instances in modern American history where White, Christian Americans were all for banning (and burning) various works of Literature the deemed inappropriate. Would that not constitute an attack on free speech, qualified by your statement? Yes, and those people were roundly bludgeoned, pepper spayed, beaten, and coated in tar and feathers by fellows wearing black masks until they stopped...oh, wait?

LTE -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:00:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Parading with torches, surrounding/threatening protestors? That's illegal intimidation. Not first amendment rights. What law was broken? Oh, the "light is bad" law passed during the Obama administration. I think we are done here.

Musicmystery -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:01:49 AM)
I don't equate conservatives with neo-nazis. I've no idea why you would want to.

tamaka -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:04:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LTE quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Parading with torches, surrounding/threatening protestors? That's illegal intimidation. Not first amendment rights. What law was broken? Oh, the "light is bad" law passed during the Obama administration. I think we are done here. Believe me with MM.... just put up a picture and he'll follow you anywhere. Baaaaaah. Baaah.

tamaka -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:06:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 "When Liberals Club People, It’s With Love In Their Hearts" oh no comrades, townhall AND ann coulter! And when armed white supremacists show up with Nazi flags, it's to spread the love of history. You're a special blend. It's to exercise their constitutional rights.

Real0ne -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:20:10 AM)
well the police were not there to protect them from terrorist loony tunes lefties who came in to throw rocks at them. I'd say it was a good call, not enough arms were brought in.

bounty44 -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:21:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I mean really. You'd think denouncing neo-nazi cries against Jews and people of color would be one area most partisans could agree on, without justification and spin. But no. It's disappointing at the very least. Except it doesn't stop at "decrying" them, which I support "decrying" them. Alt left trash at every level, from those in the media to those in political office all the way down to you evil minions in the street, have decided that you must personally police dissenting speech with mob violence You are confusing conservative support for free speech and the freedom of assembly with support for the very kind of fascist behavior that alt left trash engages in with your violence and your thought crime stupidity exactly so.

Musicmystery -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:28:04 AM)
Not even remotely so. If it were so, the streets would be jammed.

bounty44 -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:29:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 "When Liberals Club People, It’s With Love In Their Hearts" oh no comrades, townhall AND ann coulter! And when armed white supremacists show up with Nazi flags, it's to spread the love of history. You're a special blend. and you continue to not be able to discern a right reading of my views not to mention not being able to make analogous arguments. in other words, what you just said does not follow from what I posted. you really should just give up trying. armed white supremacists can show up with Nazi flags all day long for whatever reason and so long as they do so peacefully, they have a right to do so. that you seemingly cannot see that, in my estimation, makes YOU an enemy of the country. that violence occurred during this most recent iteration of their appearance is the fault of the police who failed to control the scene, your precious antifa who met them with violence, and to an extent, the neo-nazis who precipitated the violence themselves. now, since a 4th grader can follow that logic, see if you can be a good hippie and not turn that into me or anyone else espousing the same reasoned statements as being a Nazi??

WhoreMods -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:30:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX FR Even the modern version of freedom of the press is under attack by the alt left and their corporate overlords Indeed. It's not like the right's elected leader has spent the last two years whining about fake news or anything, is it?

Musicmystery -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:31:57 AM)
Armed neo-nazis marching the streets with torches chanting anti-semetic and racist rhetoric isn't exactly the definition of peaceful. I admit I'm befuddled why you would want to apologize for this hatred, or to insist it's a conservative position to do so. The ACLU is continually supporting free speech, and did so here as well. Do you consider them a conservative organization?

tamaka -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:32:53 AM)
Mm... Which part isn't peaceful?

Danemora -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:34:49 AM)
~FRing it~ I guess Ive always seen things like torches, banners, flags, burning crosses, etc as ambience. I see it like staging a house with items when Im trying to sell it. So while the torches were definitely not illegal, they did serve as a powerful symbol. I know it was dark and all, but I did see street lights in Charlottesville. So I dont think they were carrying the torches because they were afraid of stumbling in the dark. And Im pretty sure those white guys holding the torches werent hosting an evening luau for family and friends. The only thing missing was the white sheets, pointy hats, and a gasoline-soaked burlap wrapped cross and it would look a lot like those images in history books when the Klan scared the holy living shit out of folks. And on the other side, the counter-protestors carried their torches too. Not actual torches, but they too carried items and conducted themselves in the same manner. Both sides were really just intimidating each other from the looks of it in my humble opinion. They just dont have the same powerful historical symbols and imagery that the racists can draw on. None of the things like crowbars, tiki torches, Nazi flags, hair spray cans, and lighters are illegal. But thats the point though, isnt it? Intimidate the fuck out of each other with items that cant get you busted by cops until you use them as an actual weapon.

Musicmystery -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:36:39 AM)
There's another important point: - who was there to stir up hatred - who was there opposing the group there to stir up hatred I'll agree there are no saints here. But to pretend the first is fine because of the second is silly at best.

Danemora -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:42:02 AM)
I never said what one side was doing was fine and the other side was doing wasnt. Nothing either side was doing was fine.

Musicmystery -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:43:47 AM)
Yep, got it. Which is why I posted what I did. There's another important point: - who was there to stir up hatred - who was there opposing the group there to stir up hatred I'll agree there are no saints here. But to pretend the first is fine because of the second is silly at best.

Danemora -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:47:47 AM)
I saw the response was directed at me and misread it as you putting words in my mouth. But it seems you are building off what Id said instead. My bad and apologies for initially misunderstanding

BoscoX -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:50:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Armed neo-nazis marching the streets with torches chanting anti-semetic and racist rhetoric isn't exactly the definition of peaceful. I admit I'm befuddled why you would want to apologize for this hatred, or to insist it's a conservative position to do so. The ACLU is continually supporting free speech, and did so here as well. Do you consider them a conservative organization? What Muslims do to their women isn't the definition of peaceful. Nor is it peaceful, what Muslims do to those caught enjoying a glass of wine or to young lovers caught stealing a kiss, or to Christians who are found proselytizing Yet you have always apologized for them and have never concerned yourself with their lack of peacefulness. You even support importing them in massive numbers, so they can vote Democrat and put your pussyhat party over the top in elections for years to come Is your morality simply a matter of political convenience? Because I support Muslims protesting, I support them speaking their minds and carrying whips or torches or whatever they want to carry in a march or protest. But I do not support importing any of them, nor would I support importing Nazis Because I am consistent that way, whereas you seem to be perpetually lost

Nnanji -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 10:56:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX FR Even the modern version of freedom of the press is under attack by the alt left and their corporate overlords Indeed. It's not like the right's elected leader has spent the last two years whining about fake news or anything, is it? No it isn't. He's said nothing on the subject that hasn't been knowledge in the market places for a couple of decades. Where have you been?

WhoreMods -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/20/2017 11:01:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX FR Even the modern version of freedom of the press is under attack by the alt left and their corporate overlords Indeed. It's not like the right's elected leader has spent the last two years whining about fake news or anything, is it? No it isn't. He's said nothing on the subject that hasn't been knowledge in the market places for a couple of decades. Where have you been? Really? And there was me thinking that the "fake news" stuff only gets applied to things the media says about him that he's been trying to deny.

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