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RE: The Left's War On Free Speech Continues - 8/26/2017 12:04:46 PM   
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Well vince, if it helps -- I could give a shit whether they keep them up or tear them down.

I notice no one ever suggested leaving up Saddam Hussein's statues for historical purposes.

Oh ya, Saddam and Lee are exactly equivalent.


well maybe not exactly....lee was white so u'd give him a pass anyway..... after all, lee was traitor to his original home country. ....there's at least one difference...

but both felt their race/beliefs were superior to the point of anyone who was different needed to die, be enslaved or at the least be minimalized. ....hmmm, that's the same

So both looked the other way or facilitated minorities in their countries being killed & families broken up, women & children sold, murders carried out, etc..... the same too..

Of course lazy saddam used chemical weapons on his minorities ,...... while Lee's people was a little more active & used whips, guns, and lynching's to kill millions.....

a subtle difference right?


btw....hows that company of urs doing with ur fake leadership and multiple non-existent engineering degrees?

I have a few links that should have u a little more enlightened on the capabilities of the people who know more about CAD and design than u obviously do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vESbiWHmWvQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4PTdB9dnsw

And car design in a next level design platform... https://youtu.be/bdg7wxdIg3M



Lee was as much a traitor as is Tina Turner who renounced US citizenship and became Swiss. Probably less so as at the time people all had more loyalty to their state than to the U.S.

Glad you're back spanky, you're always good for a laugh. Keep it up.

Oh...and spanky...Lee denounced slavery as immoral and owned none.


see point made of both looking the other way while the atrocities occurred. functionally, his denouncement and lack of ownership was a nice example set that means nothing to the people who still died at the hands of the confederate soldiers, night riders, klansmen during his command, and now Nazi's.

none of those groups took up his personal example, they took up his confederacy's slavery goals and destruction instead.....and nowhere did he take a concrete stand & stop them.... so loyalty misplaced.

I did say u'd give him a pass.... and there u are...right on time.


as for u..... Ive seen u've posted a few places u've worked at while compiling all those fake credentials u said u had..... had Me laughing for sure.

humorously, nobody has to tell u to keep anything up.....ur just limp in many ways already....






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RE: The Left's War On Free Speech Continues - 8/26/2017 12:16:01 PM   
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What does political correctness have to do with the fact that you think 6 people is an adequate sample size. You are hilarious, Bosco. A true riot

While I haven't watched the video, I live off grid and only have limited cell service to power my iPad, I have to agree with Bosco. It's a phenomon that people on the left just don't understand. For the last three or four decades the left has controlled all discussion politically by enforcing PC rules of conversation. I personally can relate my share of stories where've been threatened to be fired from employment if I said certain things.

Trump was, in my opinion, elected because he refused the PC dictates. The fact that a panel would stand up to established news sources and deny their required PC dictates is completely new and unestablished territory. To people like me, who've had speech chilled in order to work at a job, it is a big deal.




Ninja, Ill be honest...PC speech annoys the living shit out of me. And as I said in a few places, I was hopeful about Trump.

But to be honest, things are an absolute mess here in the US. And no, its not all Trump's fault. He's just doing business as usual in politics. Its been going on for a long time. Longer than him and the last I dont know how many Presidents.

All Im trying to explain to Bosco is that it isnt absolutes. Left leaners arent all like he portrays those of us who are to be. That is all. And Im getting called a "howler" and "an idiot" for saying so.

I think you've neglected a couple of things. For instance the concept of "hate crimes" where actual anti-PC speech can put you in jail. Or, as I've said, I have more than one story where I've been told not to speak or lose my job. I don't find it unreasonable for someone living under that oppression to feel "liberated" under Trump and to fling it back at "perceived" oppressors. Some day let me tell you about the black, female affirmative action officer that walked the corridors of my employ. Some day let me tell you about the only people that really saw how terrible I was used by the PC police were the lesbians in the organization. Some day let me tell you about how I was sent to classes to,learn how terrible I was because I was a white male. Some day let me tell you about how my employ illegally "worked around" hiring qualified people in order to illegally hire unqualified people. Some day let me tell you about how my employ illigally planned to hire unqualified contractors for millions of tax payer dollars in order to be politically correct...and...politically righteous. And on and on for thirty years of professional employ.


And none of our conversation regarding Bosco diminishes what you have said. While I dont know what you have gone through, I can try to imagine. Its tough when you are misunderstood or lumped in with a group.

As I said, Im a white female...and I cant stand PC.

One example. A woman where I worked went to HR and told them that a couple of management positions were about to open and if they didn't hire her for one of them, she'd sue for sexual discrimination. From there she went to upper management and accused me of sexual harassment so my job would open for her to,apply for. I was investigated, it would have ruined my career, I'd have had to move to find a job as my profession was a tight community.

But, as it turns out, one woman went to management on my behalf. When the original woman who complained was confronted with that, she admitted she lied. I complained to upper management about her. Upper management, in order to settle the matter, sent me to two days of sexual harassment training where I was told if I spoke during the two day training I'd be fired. During the two day training I was taught that it was all my fault because I was a white male.

BTW, the senior manager who told me that I couldn't speak or I'd be fired was a very good friend of mine then and to this day. It was a word to the wise because he was aware of what was planned for me because I spoke up and complained about what the woman had done to me. Thereupon, the woman who lied was given a promotion to a made up management position for which she was totally unqualified. And that is how Politically Correct culture is managed.


Sadly well-meaning laws?...policies? iinvolving sexual harrassment can be exploited by people for their own gains. In the case of that women you spoke of, it was flat wrong. And it makes it worse for those of us who wouldnt think of ever doing that. And it makes it unimagineably worse for someone like you who sounds like he did nothing wrong. That is why I dislike PC. Because I dislike being pandered to just because Im a female and folks like you have been made to feel terrified by workplace laws.

I truly understand where you are coming from...though I've never had a claim raised against me and Ive never filed one on anyone else.




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RE: The Left's War On Free Speech Continues - 8/26/2017 12:55:39 PM   
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As I said, Im a white female...and I cant stand PC.

One example. A woman where I worked went to HR and told them that a couple of management positions were about to open and if they didn't hire her for one of them, she'd sue for sexual discrimination. From there she went to upper management and accused me of sexual harassment so my job would open for her to,apply for. I was investigated, it would have ruined my career, I'd have had to move to find a job as my profession was a tight community.

But, as it turns out, one woman went to management on my behalf. When the original woman who complained was confronted with that, she admitted she lied. I complained to upper management about her. Upper management, in order to settle the matter, sent me to two days of sexual harassment training where I was told if I spoke during the two day training I'd be fired. During the two day training I was taught that it was all my fault because I was a white male.

BTW, the senior manager who told me that I couldn't speak or I'd be fired was a very good friend of mine then and to this day. It was a word to the wise because he was aware of what was planned for me because I spoke up and complained about what the woman had done to me. Thereupon, the woman who lied was given a promotion to a made up management position for which she was totally unqualified. And that is how Politically Correct culture is managed.


Sadly well-meaning laws?...policies? iinvolving sexual harrassment can be exploited by people for their own gains. In the case of that women you spoke of, it was flat wrong. And it makes it worse for those of us who wouldnt think of ever doing that. And it makes it unimagineably worse for someone like you who sounds like he did nothing wrong. That is why I dislike PC. Because I dislike being pandered to just because Im a female and folks like you have been made to feel terrified by workplace laws.

I truly understand where you are coming from...though I've never had a claim raised against me and Ive never filed one on anyone else.


I've trimmed some but I don't think it affects points being made now.

I completely accept what you are saying but disagree with one thing. I have no confidence that they were well meaning laws. They were laws enacted to shift power structures. To me, making laws to garner power is evil and not well meaning. Whether it is a law to enslave a subgroup of people or a law specifically designed to address that first evil law. You don't combat evil with more evil.

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RE: The Left's War On Free Speech Continues - 8/26/2017 4:18:58 PM   
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Having been on the losing end of the stick unfairly, I dont blame you in the least for feeling the way you do. When I speak of well-meaning, it was because of workplace issues that were happening. Unfortunately what happens is a law designed to protect someone from workplace harassment gets manipulated and twisted by some people who are not well-meaning. Case in point, you being unfairly targeted in your workplace. And in all honesty, I think PC has gone way too far in a direction that we (in general) may not like once we get there as far as society goes.

I guess thats really all I was trying to say. But looking at the situation from your perspective, I can understand why we differ on it. Thank you for taking this time out to share with me your experience. I like that we can disagree on something without resorting to insults.

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RE: The Left's War On Free Speech Continues - 8/26/2017 6:47:03 PM   
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Well vince, if it helps -- I could give a shit whether they keep them up or tear them down.

I notice no one ever suggested leaving up Saddam Hussein's statues for historical purposes.

Oh ya, Saddam and Lee are exactly equivalent.


well maybe not exactly....lee was white so u'd give him a pass anyway..... after all, lee was traitor to his original home country. ....there's at least one difference...

but both felt their race/beliefs were superior to the point of anyone who was different needed to die, be enslaved or at the least be minimalized. ....hmmm, that's the same

So both looked the other way or facilitated minorities in their countries being killed & families broken up, women & children sold, murders carried out, etc..... the same too..

Of course lazy saddam used chemical weapons on his minorities ,...... while Lee's people was a little more active & used whips, guns, and lynching's to kill millions.....

a subtle difference right?


btw....hows that company of urs doing with ur fake leadership and multiple non-existent engineering degrees?

I have a few links that should have u a little more enlightened on the capabilities of the people who know more about CAD and design than u obviously do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vESbiWHmWvQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4PTdB9dnsw

And car design in a next level design platform... https://youtu.be/bdg7wxdIg3M



Lee was as much a traitor as is Tina Turner who renounced US citizenship and became Swiss. Probably less so as at the time people all had more loyalty to their state than to the U.S.

Glad you're back spanky, you're always good for a laugh. Keep it up.

Oh...and spanky...Lee denounced slavery as immoral and owned none.


see point made of both looking the other way while the atrocities occurred. functionally, his denouncement and lack of ownership was a nice example set that means nothing to the people who still died at the hands of the confederate soldiers, night riders, klansmen during his command, and now Nazi's.

none of those groups took up his personal example, they took up his confederacy's slavery goals and destruction instead.....and nowhere did he take a concrete stand & stop them.... so loyalty misplaced.

I did say u'd give him a pass.... and there u are...right on time.


as for u..... Ive seen u've posted a few places u've worked at while compiling all those fake credentials u said u had..... had Me laughing for sure.

humorously, nobody has to tell u to keep anything up.....ur just limp in many ways already....






Spanky, good to see you can read. You wouldn't be able to tell otherwise.

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RE: The Left's War On Free Speech Continues - 8/26/2017 9:00:06 PM   
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RE: The Left's War On Free Speech Continues - 8/27/2017 3:46:24 AM   
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see point made of both looking the other way while the atrocities occurred. functionally, his denouncement and lack of ownership was a nice example set that means nothing to the people who still died at the hands of the confederate soldiers, night riders, klansmen during his command, and now Nazi's.

none of those groups took up his personal example, they took up his confederacy's slavery goals and destruction instead.....and nowhere did he take a concrete stand & stop them.... so loyalty misplaced.

I did say u'd give him a pass.... and there u are...right on time.


as for u..... Ive seen u've posted a few places u've worked at while compiling all those fake credentials u said u had..... had Me laughing for sure.

humorously, nobody has to tell u to keep anything up.....ur just limp in many ways already....



Spanky, good to see you can read. You wouldn't be able to tell otherwise.


and since u put up that feeble (saddam/lee) argument u wouldnt be able to tell u had a lick of intelligence otherwise, (...in addition to ur lack of management acumen.)

but since u have boss-hoe to be compared against, u get at least upgraded to single-cell ameba status. Congrats.....

and thanks for agreeing with me anyway. lee's statue deserves the same fate as saddam's did, because it serves no other purpose than saddams did.



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RE: The Left's War On Free Speech Continues - 8/27/2017 4:41:54 AM   
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If they came out and admitted they were Nazis, RWNJs like BoscoX would feel less comfortable supporting them.
Not because he is opposed to Nazi ideas, but because it's socially unacceptable to support Nazis.

No matter how violent you are about it, opposing Nazism doesn't make someone a Nazi. Yet this is the argument you will hear from the RWNJs every single time, as if Nazism is merely about opposing free speech or using violence to achieve your goals.


That is the current party line of the white supremecists, yes, on any social media platform:
- anyone against nazis is the real nazi
- they deny they are nazis while spouting the same spew nazis have always spewed
- they are superior, others are inferior
- they are under attack and are the victims

It's all propaganga, not sincere or serious communication.

Deny, deflect, derail - it's dishonest and dishonorable.

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RE: The Left's War On Free Speech Continues - 8/27/2017 5:04:10 AM   
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If they came out and admitted they were Nazis, RWNJs like BoscoX would feel less comfortable supporting them.
Not because he is opposed to Nazi ideas, but because it's socially unacceptable to support Nazis.

No matter how violent you are about it, opposing Nazism doesn't make someone a Nazi. Yet this is the argument you will hear from the RWNJs every single time, as if Nazism is merely about opposing free speech or using violence to achieve your goals.


That is the current party line of the white supremecists, yes, on any social media platform:
- anyone against nazis is the real nazi
- they deny they are nazis while spouting the same spew nazis have always spewed
- they are superior, others are inferior
- they are under attack and are the victims

It's all propaganga, not sincere or serious communication.

Deny, deflect, derail - it's dishonest and dishonorable.

Yes. There is also the claim, advanced by Trump, that there were "good people" marching alongside the Nazis in Charlottesville in a march to "Unite the Right"

No 'good person' marches alongside Nazis the KKK and the like in a march to 'Unite the Right'. Quite the opposite, anyone who participates in a march like that is automatically NOT a 'good person'. No 'good person' would be within a bull's roar of a march or cause like that.

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RE: The Left's War On Free Speech Continues - 8/27/2017 5:21:28 AM   
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If they came out and admitted they were Nazis, RWNJs like BoscoX would feel less comfortable supporting them.
Not because he is opposed to Nazi ideas, but because it's socially unacceptable to support Nazis.

No matter how violent you are about it, opposing Nazism doesn't make someone a Nazi. Yet this is the argument you will hear from the RWNJs every single time, as if Nazism is merely about opposing free speech or using violence to achieve your goals.


That is the current party line of the white supremecists, yes, on any social media platform:
- anyone against nazis is the real nazi
- they deny they are nazis while spouting the same spew nazis have always spewed
- they are superior, others are inferior
- they are under attack and are the victims

It's all propaganga, not sincere or serious communication.

Deny, deflect, derail - it's dishonest and dishonorable.

Yes. There is also the claim, advanced by Trump, that there were "good people" marching alongside the Nazis in Charlottesville in a march to "Unite the Right"

No 'good person' marches alongside Nazis the KKK and the like in a march to 'Unite the Right'. Quite the opposite, anyone who participates in a march like that is automatically NOT a 'good person'. No 'good person' would be within a bull's roar of a march or cause like that.

Presumably the good people are the fringe fringe white supremacists, trailer trash, and Dukes of Hazzard fans who aren't part of the Klan or an "out" nazi group, and so might still vote for el presidente come the next election, while the Klan and the neo-nazis probably won't now that he's proven a lot less anti-semitic in office than they were hoping? Basically the good people at that march were the target audience for Duck Dynasty...

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RE: The Left's War On Free Speech Continues - 8/27/2017 6:02:06 AM   
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A bunch of armed protestors show up carrying Nazi flags. And the RWNJs are comfortable supporting them.

Generally speaking, it's Nazis who carry Nazi flags. That's how it works (for those confused by this).

Among Trump's "accomplishments": It's OK to Hug a Nazi. Because they aren't the only bad people.



Timeline sequence a bit off...
<I>
Far right group goes to court to get a previously denied parade permit.
Court forces city to grand a parade permit on 1st amendment grounds.

"Unite the Right" parade and rally held to protest removing of a historical statue of Robert E. Lee.

Armed far left group attacks the whole parade of several groups supposedly because one of the groups carried Swastika flags.
Far right groups respond to the violence with violence of their own.

A peaceful protest against removing historical monuments devolves into a riot.

Crazy white supremacist nut job that worked in Hillary Clinton's campaign and not affiliated with any of the parading groups rams a car into a mixed crowd of Black Bloc and other protestors killing one and injuring several. (Faith Goldy of Canada's "Rebel Media" had just crossed the road before the car rammed the crowd. Her cameraman got very accurate footage of the event.)

Mainstream media has a hissy fit claiming it was all the fault of the parading groups with the parade permit. No mainstream coverage of the attacks by the groups that showed up trying to shut down the protest rally at all. Youtube full of raw footage of attacks on the right wing groups.

Donald Trump states he things there was fault on both sides for the injuries and death.

Mainstream media has a hissy fit claiming Trump supports racist hate groups.
</I>

Did I leave anything out?
That's pretty much an accurate indication of what happened.

The devolution of reporting into partisan spin is such a dangerous aspect of ongoing debate. The violent left-wing antifa group is currently being supported by
the leftist media to an astonishing degree.

This is despite the fact antifa is a violent, masked group akin to Hitler's brown shirts. The constant distortions of fact by major media organisations are making them as credible a source as Infowars, yet there are all too many idiots ready to swallow their lies hook, line and sinker.

To say it is problematic is an understatement.

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RE: The Left's War On Free Speech Continues - 8/27/2017 6:08:32 AM   
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"Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody 13 years old who is sexually mature," he said. "Pedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty."

A sexually mature 13 year old????????????????

You seem to support that human waste.
You're an idiot. That definition is literally correct. Paedophilia is defined as an attraction to pre-pubescent children.




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