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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 2:08:06 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		I voted for President Bush both times, and though I don't agree on everything he has done, I am so thankful that niether Gore nor Kerry are in office. President Bush understands that we must stand up to our enemies and not be the expert appeasers that the Left and most of the world have become.

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 2:11:11 PM   
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Yes WyrdRich, Clinton was under oath -- so what???? The oath had nothing to do with sex... And the Bushie Boy is under oath, but he has already broken it countless times...

What amazes me about you Bush-erites is that while it's one thing to get suckered and go knee-jerk in 2000, in 2004 you re-elected an alleged Republican who took the biggest surplus in US history and turned it into the biggest deficit in US history  -- mostly on a bullshit war based on misinformation and lies, not to mention a national giveaway to the richest 1%... Does one laugh at this, or cry and vomit???


ok   I am confused.   What oath is bush under?  What were his specific lies?   Where is the proof?

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 2:14:33 PM   
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Yes WyrdRich, Clinton was under oath -- so what???? The oath had nothing to do with sex... And the Bushie Boy is under oath, but he has already broken it countless times...

What amazes me about you Bush-erites is that while it's one thing to get suckered and go knee-jerk in 2000, in 2004 you re-elected an alleged Republican who took the biggest surplus in US history and turned it into the biggest deficit in US history  -- mostly on a bullshit war based on misinformation and lies, not to mention a national giveaway to the richest 1%... Does one laugh at this, or cry and vomit???


Clinton was not impeached for having oral sex. He was impeached for lying under oath to the Grand Jury. That is called Perjury. Why is that so hard to understand?

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 2:19:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a Conservative! Bush is not a Conservative, he's just a schill for big business.
Why did he win?
The Democrats put up guys like John "French" Kerry and Al Gore and they expect to win?
I want more choices than just "Republican" or "Democrat."

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 2:20:20 PM   
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That is what frustrates me. I do not identify as either republican or democrat. I prefer to vote for the person I feel is best for the job and I don't see anyone strong enough. I hate having to vote for the lesser of evils.


i never thought i would say this...but at the moment -where IS ross perot?

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 2:26:33 PM   
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I'm a Conservative! Bush is not a Conservative, he's just a schill for big business.
Why did he win?
The Democrats put up guys like John "French" Kerry and Al Gore and they expect to win?
I want more choices than just "Republican" or "Democrat."


bingo!

i ask- is this the best the USA can do?

the dem are in bed too much w corporate money as well.

so in one regard- we dont have a real choice.

OUCH!

what happens when corps fight eachother?  every penny gas goes up effects walmart sales. so picture big oil vs walmart.  hmmm.

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 2:45:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's a mistake to keep comparing one side to the other.  In the long run, it's always just a turn of the wheel.  I don't like Bush.  I think he's an idiot and if it's a ruse like some people say, what the hell is he accomplishing by it?  I'm also seriously doubtful about Gore or any of the other candidates that ran in the last two elections.  I'm also not a big fan of how our political system works.  Here's something I wrote down a couple days ago to explain why....
 
This is an observation about how our government appears to be functioning today as opposed to how it was originally set up over 200 years ago.  Perhaps I'm mistaken but I think I'm on to something and wondered if anyone else has had similar thoughts.
My understanding of a democratic government is that the elected representatives are supposed to be the "voice" of the people.  They are elected in numbers that represent the population of the area they represent and are given authority to vote on important decisions and introduce new measures on behalf of that same population.
 
The important point here is the fact that they are supposed to be the voice of the people.  In other words, any official who's elected will have been chosen because he or she has demonstrated they will express the popular views and concerns of those they represent.
But this is not how it works today.  The "voice" of the people is not really being considered at all (see last paragraph below for why).  Today, someone who wishes to be elected to public office goes out and campaigns, all the while offering a "platform" of what he or she intends to advocate while in office.
 
The would be representative in effect is saying, "This is what I believe and support and if you agree, then vote for me."  Politicians do not go out and find out what the population at large wants first.  Instead, they poll the people to see if what they personally want to push for will be popularly received.
 
Now some may argue this is one and the same thing and makes no difference.  But I disagree; mainly because of how election campaigns are instituted during the election period.  In essence, the politician's platform is advertised, much like selling a product and in fact that's exactly what happens.  The population is exposed to campaign advertising and convinced or persuaded that the issues presented in the campaign are what's important rather than what the potential voters already have on their mind and would like to see represented in government.
 
So in my view, our system of government has been turned inside out.  The government is clearly not "of the people, by the people, and for the people" any longer.  Ever notice how much voters who are passionate about participating in government and supporting a particular candidate are like groupies following a rock band?
 
As a final note, let me say that I don't have any political preference or affiliation.  I watch the whole thing from the sidelines and make note of what is happening on both sides of the political fence.  I will say that since I've been old enough to follow and understand the government process, I've noticed it's been steadily degenerating and currently is hitting some pretty strong lows.
 
The above is neither party's fault...it's just human nature playing itself out over time.  Only a small minority of people are really passionate about politics whereas the general population has other, more important things on their mind and are glad not to have to think about issues.  Most people don't like to think too much.  They're comfortably numb being told what's important and only act when something personally bites them in the ass.  It doesn't mean they're disfunctional...it's just their nature.
 
Disclaimer for flamers...this is my opinion.
 
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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 2:56:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		An opinion.   Not stated as pure fact    I like it.   Way to go anthrosub

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 3:01:57 PM   
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Yes WyrdRich, Clinton was under oath -- so what???? The oath had nothing to do with sex... And the Bushie Boy is under oath, but he has already broken it countless times...

    Well, it's called perjury.  I think you are confusing the Oath of Office with a sworn oath in court.

What amazes me about you Bush-erites is that while it's one thing to get suckered and go knee-jerk in 2000, in 2004

         If you'd read the posts here (or did you see one thing I said and get all knee-jerky?) you know I had nothing to do with the 2000 win.

you re-elected an alleged Republican who took the biggest surplus in US history and turned it into the biggest deficit in US history  -- mostly on a bullshit war based on misinformation and lies, not to mention a national giveaway to the richest 1%.

       Followed by a nice of chorus of talking points that embrace discredited attacks and completely ignore the fact that tax cuts improve the economy for everybody except the folks who live by government handouts.


.. Does one laugh at this, or cry and vomit??? 

     I couldn't agree more.


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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 3:06:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok   I have a question.  In quantifying the difference in deficits from year to year in our history, are we using adjusted dollars or value at the time?  there should be a huge difference in the end expression

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 3:13:42 PM   
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ok   I have a question.  In quantifying the difference in deficits from year to year in our history, are we using adjusted dollars or value at the time?  there should be a huge difference in the end expression




      I don't have nearly the time or interest to say for sure but I would bet large we are being shown the set of numbers that looks most depressing.

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 3:21:09 PM   
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ok   I have a question.  In quantifying the difference in deficits from year to year in our history, are we using adjusted dollars or value at the time?  there should be a huge difference in the end expression




     I don't have nearly the time or interest to say for sure but I would bet large we are being shown the set of numbers that looks most depressing.


That is waht I was afraid of   :(

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 3:31:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Excellent example.  The difference between Yugoslavia and Iraq is the difference between Clinton and Bush.

Oh, and Clinton never lied about Yugoslavia.

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Please.  I don't recall Clinton invading sovereign nations and lying about the reasons.


YOUGOSLAVIA!

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 3:32:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Clinton fucked up in not holding China's feet to the fire when we had the chance but China also didn't slide back toward a reactionary communist regime either so who knows.  I would have forced more concessions so lets call that a mistake.

That said, if he would have cut up Monica into little pieces and ate her, he would be less of a barbarian than Bush who has squandered ours, our childrens and our children's children's future by conducting a war of conquest so poorly thought out, that all the current problems were predicted quite clearly before the FIRST gulf war.

He has however snatched choas from the jaws of peace and ensured the future of the military industrial complex.  He, unlike the average right wing idiots, understands that Al Queda and the other terrorist groups aren't a big enough threat to replace Russia as our bogeyman so they are going to turn the entire middle east into warzone in order to manufacture from scratch the choas they need to keep turning a tidy profit.

The fact that Bush people try and defend Bush by attacking someone else shows how little they grasp of what is going on.  Hell they still think Raygun was a great president and that dipshit lost 350 Marines and tuck tailed and ran and traded illegally with Iranian terrorists...

Kind of makes you wonder who's side they are really on.  I will give you a hint, look at who they hold hands with...

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 3:36:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Someone mentioned living off of government money...well you just described most Republicans.  America's tax revenues flow out of blue states and into red states day after day because we make it and they squander it.

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 3:38:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rich...unfortunately...you are correct. The markets are buzzing about rising inflation, interest rates, and property values declining

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 3:41:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		My problem with Monica L. She didn't follow the rule, "Don't kiss and tell!" Actually, in all seriousness, even though they both were adults, I wish Clinton would have played with her elsewhere (instead of the Oval Office)....70 Million Dollars later, we are still defining what "is" ..is..and debating over lies over a BJ are comparable to lies over a war.
Respectfully,
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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 3:47:10 PM   
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Clinton made a mistake, the Republican's made it a disaster.  They told Clinton and America that there was no issue more important facing America than the meaning of "is"...

So that was what Republican's thought important, all while North Korea was arming, Osama was gaining strength, while Pakistan was selling nuclear weapon technology, and Saudi Arabians were planning, staffing and funding 9/11.

And what was Bush focused on prior to 9/11?  It sure wasn't terrorists, it was a missle defense system...

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 3:47:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		      CrappyDom, you've made me laugh and think enough times that if I ever get up to that part of the state, I want to buy you a beer.  Let's just not talk politics if it ever happens.


    The mideast is going to be a massive set of boils between the scrotum and thighs until the oil runs out in 40 years or so.  Then they'll scream that we have to keep right on feeding them.  I'm convinced that ANY president on 9/11 would have our troops in there someplace besides Afghanistan.

     Decry those evil Republicans all you want but I bet your toy sales are better when taxes are low. 

      And the reason the Russians can't be the "bogeyman" any more is because President Ronald Wilson "Raygun" ended the Cold War by collapsing a system he was smart enough to see the deep flaws in.


   And just to keep myself from starting to sound like a right-winger:
   What is the difference between Clinton and Reagan?
          Clinton wet somebody else's clothes.

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RE: George W. Bush Fan Club - 7/28/2006 3:50:46 PM   
KenDckey


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Clinton fucked up in not holding China's feet to the fire when we had the chance but China also didn't slide back toward a reactionary communist regime either so who knows.  I would have forced more concessions so lets call that a mistake.

That said, if he would have cut up Monica into little pieces and ate her, he would be less of a barbarian than Bush who has squandered ours, our childrens and our children's children's future by conducting a war of conquest so poorly thought out, that all the current problems were predicted quite clearly before the FIRST gulf war.

He has however snatched choas from the jaws of peace and ensured the future of the military industrial complex.  He, unlike the average right wing idiots, understands that Al Queda and the other terrorist groups aren't a big enough threat to replace Russia as our bogeyman so they are going to turn the entire middle east into warzone in order to manufacture from scratch the choas they need to keep turning a tidy profit.

The fact that Bush people try and defend Bush by attacking someone else shows how little they grasp of what is going on.  Hell they still think Raygun was a great president and that dipshit lost 350 Marines and tuck tailed and ran and traded illegally with Iranian terrorists...

Kind of makes you wonder who's side they are really on.  I will give you a hint, look at who they hold hands with...


I believe there are only 2 types of wars.   Religious Wars and Economic Wars.   Seems that the iraqi war could be both (I keep hearing it is over cheap oil but my gas bill keeps going up).   Afganistan was probably religious.  Lebanon is religious.  Ethiopia/Eritiriea is tribal and has been going on for so long I am not sure what started it. and so on and so on.

And what about the Military Industrial Complex.   It has brought us a great deal of good.  duct tape was created to fill bullet holes in airplanes, M&M's to give the troops candy in the South Pacific during WWII.   Cures for illnesses, household products (my grand daughters favorite military creation is the microwave oven) and so on.   Is yourproposal to disband the military or just give the country to the UN or just what?

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