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George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 1:32:32 PM   
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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 1:38:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well yes, Orwell probably would have supported them, because the antifa are opposing the fascists, Nazis and other such hard right sorts. That's what "antifa" means, FFS.
Are you so fucking stupid that this comes as a surprise to you? Did you think that Orwell was one of yours or something?

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 1:38:50 PM   
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Can you even read anyway Sophist?

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 1:41:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		He reminds me of Milo - why did that not occur to me before? Am I getting slow! And by that I mean the fanny in the video and not proudmisogynist and 100% newbie on here.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 1:43:33 PM   
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He reminds me of Milo - why did that not occur to me before? Am I getting slow!

Obviously the same guy: maybe he's angry all the time over that pedo thing?

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 1:48:03 PM   
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Hun v Tim confuse a lot that one I suppose
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Over to Steve I suppose he would not stand for this nonsense

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 1:49:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		God, you're a cretin. Yes, Orwell would have supported Antifa. He wasn't a pacifist - he hated pacifism - but he also hated fascism. Orwell was up for a fight - if you haven't picked that up about him and his life, you know *zero* about what made him tick.

There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that he'd have swallowed the mealy-mouthed, squealy little arguments of people like yourself and Watson that opposing these goosestepping neonazi arseholes somehow makes one a Nazi oneself. It's pathetic. And you and Watson are pathetic too, RM.



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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 1:50:11 PM   
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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 1:56:31 PM   
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What about HG?

Wells? He was pretty left leaning as well (The Time Machine is obviously a more a criticism of the upper classes who evolved into the Eloi than the proles who became the Morlocks), but his work is a lot more difficult to oversimplify in order to misinterpret it than Orwell's, so the rightists have put left effort into claiming him as one of theirs.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 1:57:20 PM   
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Well yes, Orwell probably would have supported them, because the antifa are opposing the fascists, Nazis and other such hard right sorts. That's what "antifa" means, FFS.
Are you so fucking stupid that this comes as a surprise to you? Did you think that Orwell was one of yours or something?

He would have pointed at them and said pigs.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 1:59:18 PM   
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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 2:00:37 PM   
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Jesus Christ. I'm beginning to realise: there are probably untold numbers of ultra-righties who have actually come to believe *so much* in their straw man of a lefty who, by definition, just *must* be a pacifist -and probably limp-wristed and entirely effete to boot - that they'll be shouting triumphantly 'Hah - just as I thought, lefties aren't pacifists!' even as they get their stupid faces pummeled into mulch by some violent lefty on a march. I guess those types of ultra-rightie will lie in hospital, later, revelling in their moral victory. What a nutty state of affairs.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 2:11:55 PM   
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Well yes, Orwell probably would have supported them, because the antifa are opposing the fascists, Nazis and other such hard right sorts. That's what "antifa" means, FFS.
Are you so fucking stupid that this comes as a surprise to you? Did you think that Orwell was one of yours or something?

He would have pointed at them and said pigs.

No, he pointed at Stalin and called him a pig because he'd turned the Soviet Union into a fascist state. The antifas, on the other hand, he'd probably approve of, given that he went to Spain to fight the fascists during the Spanish civil war. Read Homage To Catalonia sometime.


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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 2:51:14 PM   
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Well yes, Orwell probably would have supported them, because the antifa are opposing the fascists, Nazis and other such hard right sorts. That's what "antifa" means, FFS.
Are you so fucking stupid that this comes as a surprise to you? Did you think that Orwell was one of yours or something?

He would have pointed at them and said pigs.

No, he pointed at Stalin and called him a pig because he'd turned the Soviet Union into a fascist state. The antifas, on the other hand, he'd probably approve of, given that he went to Spain to fight the fascists during the Spanish civil war. Read Homage To Catalonia sometime.


I think he would be reminded of the Frank Gorshin Star Trek episode " Let that be your last battlefield".

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 3:01:10 PM   
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There are too many intelligent, literary types on this board. Take care you do not run off the extreme right wingers else we will have nobody to pick on, or chortle about.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 3:04:06 PM   
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Just when you thought the left couldn't get any more stupid...

Since when is your whiny babymancrush Paulie on "the left"?

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 3:11:01 PM   
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Well yes, Orwell probably would have supported them, because the antifa are opposing the fascists, Nazis and other such hard right sorts. That's what "antifa" means, FFS.
Are you so fucking stupid that this comes as a surprise to you? Did you think that Orwell was one of yours or something?

He would have pointed at them and said pigs.

No, he pointed at Stalin and called him a pig because he'd turned the Soviet Union into a fascist state. The antifas, on the other hand, he'd probably approve of, given that he went to Spain to fight the fascists during the Spanish civil war. Read Homage To Catalonia sometime.


I think he would be reminded of the Frank Gorshin Star Trek episode " Let that be your last battlefield".

Obviously. Orwell was all about massively simplistic metaphors that are so thoroughly dumbed down they're impossible for anybody to misinterpret: that's why the right have never once tried to argue that 1984 was a tirade against socialism.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 3:12:14 PM   
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HG Wells was well before his time, George Orwell not so much but he is not guilty of lack of vision

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 3:15:44 PM   
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Well yes, Orwell probably would have supported them, because the antifa are opposing the fascists, Nazis and other such hard right sorts. That's what "antifa" means, FFS.
Are you so fucking stupid that this comes as a surprise to you? Did you think that Orwell was one of yours or something?

He would have pointed at them and said pigs.

No, he pointed at Stalin and called him a pig because he'd turned the Soviet Union into a fascist state. The antifas, on the other hand, he'd probably approve of, given that he went to Spain to fight the fascists during the Spanish civil war. Read Homage To Catalonia sometime.


I think he would be reminded of the Frank Gorshin Star Trek episode " Let that be your last battlefield".

Obviously. Orwell was all about massively simplistic metaphors that are so thoroughly dumbed down they're impossible for anybody to misinterpret: that's why the right have never once tried to argue that 1984 was a tirade against socialism.


It was a tirade against excessive government control.


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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 4:35:43 PM   
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De- evolution do you mean - I think that battle rages and has been ignited. Did I ever tell you the banger story?

HG Wells was well before his time, George Orwell not so much but he is not guilty of lack of vision


Wells, I've always thought, is massively underrated as a writer because he published so much, and didn't have any patience for the idea of writing a novel much the same as the one before. That sort of thing doesn't help with the critics, I've noticed. A lot of Well's fiction was just as thoroughly grounded in the world he was writing about as Orwell's but because he moved between stories about neat bits of science or purely invented stuff, serious attempts at prediction, realistic novels, "predictive" stories that are more concerned with exaggerating social tendencies he found worrisome to provide a terrible warning, and the sort of not really an allegory but not really an attempt to predict anything either tale that makes up the bulk of SF with no ideological axe to grind to this day it can be difficult to get your head around his ouevre as easily as you can Dickens, who tended to write much the same novel with much the same themes over and over. Orwell, on the other hand, only published four novels, and kept them very separate from his (excellent) journalism, so he doesn't have that problem.

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