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Are cakes art?


No: thinking that they are is really gay
  35% (10)
No: of course they're not
  3% (1)
Don't know
  0% (0)
Don't care
  17% (5)
Maybe if they're really good cakes
  7% (2)
Yes: anybody who can charge for a made to order cake is an artisan
  28% (8)
Yes: if Haring and Koon's smug whiffle is art, so's a fancy cake
  7% (2)


Total Votes : 28
(last vote on : 9/27/2017 6:35:01 AM)
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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 10:38:21 AM   
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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 10:45:52 AM   
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FR...

It's kind of funny that the same people who think that NFL players don't have to kneel for the US flag think everyone should have to kneel before the rainbow flag.

what a bunch of bullshit.
should have to kneel before the rainbow flag???where? when?
do you ever have a coherent thought?



It's just way above your head to comprehend.


so you have nothing to offer up as an example, thankyou.
I didnt think you were capable. well I knew you are incapable, I tried to give you a chance...
I should stop doing that, LOL



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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 10:56:31 AM   
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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 10:58:32 AM   
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Gays have been subject to community standards all this time. But it's "bullying" if Christians are? Nope.

If you cannot provide the same products & services to gays, then it is discrimination. If you are in a business where your religious beliefs prohibits you from complying with the law, then you need to find a more suitable business.

So Arabs have to serve pork?


Where the hell do you come up with such idiotic questions? How the fuck is that even similar?

The Bible doesn't forbid baking cake. But many religions forbid eating pork.

So, no. An Arab-owned restaurant wouldn't be forced to change their menu. But they'll be expected to serve the same quality of food to all customers.

Just like the bakery menu hasn't been changed. But it is expected to be able to provide the entire menu to all customers. And since it refuses, we have a case.

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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 11:02:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Gays have been subject to community standards all this time. But it's "bullying" if Christians are? Nope.

If you cannot provide the same products & services to gays, then it is discrimination. If you are in a business where your religious beliefs prohibits you from complying with the law, then you need to find a more suitable business.

So Arabs have to serve pork?


Where the hell do you come up with such idiotic questions? How the fuck is that even similar?

The Bible doesn't forbid baking cake. But many religions forbid eating pork.

So, no. An Arab-owned restaurant wouldn't be forced to change their menu. But they'll be expected to serve the same quality of food to all customers.

Just like the bakery menu hasn't been changed. But it is expected to be able to provide the entire menu to all customers. And since it refuses, we have a case.


The bible forbids being involved in sin.

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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 11:03:46 AM   
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Gays have been subject to community standards all this time. But it's "bullying" if Christians are? Nope.

If you cannot provide the same products & services to gays, then it is discrimination. If you are in a business where your religious beliefs prohibits you from complying with the law, then you need to find a more suitable business.

So Arabs have to serve pork?


So a Chinese restaurant has to serve hamburgers?


I don't think Muslim food (I'm assuming you mean Muslims and not Arabs who don't practice Islam) includes pork.
If you are talking about an Arab owning a Subway or a hot dog stand, then chances are people will be expecting pork, so the Muslim in question should avoid owning these types of places.

It isn't inherently discriminatory for an Islamic restaurant to serve Islamic food. Maybe they do have beliefs, but their beliefs are irrelevant here because of what they are offering. People go there because they expect that type of cuisine the same way they go to a Chinese restaurant because they expect that type of cuisine. It's about the FOOD, not the religious beliefs. You don't go into a restaurant and start demanding things that aren't on the menu.

The baker is practicing discrimination because he offers all kinds of cake designs to all kinds of people... except homos, because he finds them disgusting.
Even calling it a Christian bakery is discrimination, because his views don't represent the whole of Christianity.

He would have to call it a homophobic Christian bakery, I guess.

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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 11:07:32 AM   
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I think i said it wrong. I mean that it is supposed to be okay to dishonor (for lack of a better word) the US flag but it not okay to dishonor the rainbow flag.


It's Constitutionally protected Freedom of Speech to do what you will with the flag. Nobody has to agree, or care, or pay attention. And it doesn't mean that you won't catch hell for it socially or professionally. You just can't be arrested for it.

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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 11:12:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

Gays have been subject to community standards all this time. But it's "bullying" if Christians are? Nope.

If you cannot provide the same products & services to gays, then it is discrimination. If you are in a business where your religious beliefs prohibits you from complying with the law, then you need to find a more suitable business.

So Arabs have to serve pork?


Where the hell do you come up with such idiotic questions? How the fuck is that even similar?

The Bible doesn't forbid baking cake. But many religions forbid eating pork.

So, no. An Arab-owned restaurant wouldn't be forced to change their menu. But they'll be expected to serve the same quality of food to all customers.

Just like the bakery menu hasn't been changed. But it is expected to be able to provide the entire menu to all customers. And since it refuses, we have a case.


The bible forbids being involved in sin.



Then stay home, under the covers, and do nothing but pray.

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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 11:18:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

Gays have been subject to community standards all this time. But it's "bullying" if Christians are? Nope.

If you cannot provide the same products & services to gays, then it is discrimination. If you are in a business where your religious beliefs prohibits you from complying with the law, then you need to find a more suitable business.

So Arabs have to serve pork?


Where the hell do you come up with such idiotic questions? How the fuck is that even similar?

The Bible doesn't forbid baking cake. But many religions forbid eating pork.

So, no. An Arab-owned restaurant wouldn't be forced to change their menu. But they'll be expected to serve the same quality of food to all customers.

Just like the bakery menu hasn't been changed. But it is expected to be able to provide the entire menu to all customers. And since it refuses, we have a case.


The bible forbids being involved in sin.



Then stay home, under the covers, and do nothing but pray.


Or go out and live your life and don't get involved in sin.

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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 11:19:06 AM   
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I think i said it wrong. I mean that it is supposed to be okay to dishonor (for lack of a better word) the US flag but it not okay to dishonor the rainbow flag.


It's Constitutionally protected Freedom of Speech to do what you will with the flag. Nobody has to agree, or care, or pay attention. And it doesn't mean that you won't catch hell for it socially or professionally. You just can't be arrested for it.



Just like our Constitutionally protected Freedom of Religion.

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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 12:21:25 PM   
JVoV


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I can't burn your flag without consequences, but I can do what I please with mine.

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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 12:33:07 PM   
tamaka


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Well, in a lot of ways, yes.

I can't burn your flag without consequences, but I can do what I please with mine.



Not really. You can't shove your flag up your neighbor's ass without consequences.

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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 12:40:48 PM   
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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 12:58:27 PM   
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Gays have been subject to community standards all this time. But it's "bullying" if Christians are? Nope.

If you cannot provide the same products & services to gays, then it is discrimination. If you are in a business where your religious beliefs prohibits you from complying with the law, then you need to find a more suitable business.


Discrimination in housing and essential services is prohibited by law.
Discrimination in a private business that isn't an essential service is up to the owner.
Essential services deal with housing, food, and utilities. Wedding cakes are not essential services.

It doesn't mean that it isn't a dickhead thing to do, refusing to bake a wedding cake, but it isn't something protected by law. If a law were that intrusive; a kosher or halal resturant could be forced to serve pork despite their religious objections.

The wording of anti discrimination laws enacted by states after the Fair Housing Act of 1968 vary in specifics but in general follow a consistent thought. You cannot discriminate in provision of housing, utilities, or food based on race, national origin, makeup of family, or disability.

Re: Civil Rights act of 1964 http://www.collarchat.com/post.asp?do=reply&q=1&messageID=5076470&toStyle=tm
Civil Rights Act of 1968 (Fair Housing Act) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1968
Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Act_of_1990


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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 1:04:54 PM   
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Does a wedding cake count as food?

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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 1:12:19 PM   
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And the State of Colorado added sexual orientation to their protected classes you can't discriminate against.

Does a wedding cake count as food?



and everyone continues to evade this question, how about it

So you think that when you go into business you waive all your reserved rights is that it?

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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 1:13:11 PM   
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And the State of Colorado added sexual orientation to their protected classes you can't discriminate against.

Does a wedding cake count as food?


Luxury baked goods aren't essential. Bakeries, confectionery stores, liquor stores, are in some states included and other states not.

The federal law doesn't mention sexual orientation but the "makeup of household" as one of the protected classes not to be discriminated against makes same sex domestic relationships protected under law. It is the same provision that makes it unlawful to refuse housing if a renter has children. But, pets are not a protected class. <take that, crazy cat lady that wanted to rent my extra bedroom>

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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 1:15:08 PM   
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And the State of Colorado added sexual orientation to their protected classes you can't discriminate against.

Does a wedding cake count as food?



and everyone continues to evade this question, how about it

So you think that when you go into business you waive all your reserved rights is that it?


Aren't corporations considered people under the law?

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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 1:22:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV

And the State of Colorado added sexual orientation to their protected classes you can't discriminate against.

Does a wedding cake count as food?



and everyone continues to evade this question, how about it

So you think that when you go into business you waive all your reserved rights is that it?


Aren't corporations considered people under the law?




yes and no, the courts cant hear any cases regarding your rights as flesh and blood woman or man, and then only those where you claim to acknowledge the jurisdiction, which effectively you declare yourself under their corporate jurisdiction, since the US and states are all trust/corporations as well, and subject to their corporate law. More like distrust corporations in the real world. Hence the constitution because your rights extend beyond the rights OOPS granted 'authority' of state by the people.

Take note of how silent it gets when a properly framed issue is laid in their laps?

So you think that when you go into business you waive all your reserved rights is that it?





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RE: Are cakes art? - 9/24/2017 1:32:28 PM   
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