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Are cakes art?

No: thinking that they are is really gay

35% (10)

No: of course they're not

3% (1)

Don't know

0% (0)

Don't care

17% (5)

Maybe if they're really good cakes

7% (2)

Yes: anybody who can charge for a made to order cake is an artisan

28% (8)

Yes: if Haring and Koon's smug whiffle is art, so's a fancy cake

7% (2)

Total Votes : 28

(last vote on : 9/27/2017 6:35:01 AM)
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LadyPact -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/22/2017 7:46:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Even less reason to put the cup between her knees. Being a non coffee drinker myself, I'm kind of curious as to how easy or difficult it is to open McDonald's creamer with one hand.

BamaD -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/22/2017 9:17:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Even less reason to put the cup between her knees. Being a non coffee drinker myself, I'm kind of curious as to how easy or difficult it is to open McDonald's creamer with one hand. I don't use cream, and I don't drink McDonalds coffee. Drinking their coffee is a sign of poor judgement.

BitaTruble -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/22/2017 9:39:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Being a non coffee drinker myself, I'm kind of curious as to how easy or difficult it is to open McDonald's creamer with one hand. I can't open those little tin tops with one hand and sometimes two hands aren't enough so I use my teeth to get it started then try to pry the foil off without spilling the cream all over myself. I would rate it between difficult and improbable. Just an opinion from Coffee Bean worshipper. ☕️☕️☕️ On OP Is cake art? If it uses an aperture it is probably art and if uses dowels it is probably just cake. Artisian cakes generally use things in addition to the actual cake for structure such as rice cereal, modeling edibles and the like or to enhance appearance such as blown sugar or chocolate work. I specialze in anti-gravity which is a technique I taught myself when I was sculpting the minatures for our haunted dollhouse. My favorite was my Potions cauldron which had a floating test tube above it pouring out a rainbow liquid which turned to gold once it got into the cauldron. Inside the cauldon was a bubbly mixture of green goo with various sizes of eyeballs in it and one skeleton hand raised up and gripping the cauldron edge from inside. When "I" make cake ... it's art. 😉 Most of the cakes I make have 'me' stamped all over them as I tends towards goth, macabre and horror as my favored themes but I can't resist throwing a little magic in, too. As far as things such as human prejudice, bias, discrimination and the like ... it is not a right, it is often a wrong ... but it is also an ability which most folks possess and some act upon and that is about all I have on it. As usual, there are consequences to indulging in damn near anything. Risk/Reward and all that.

MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/22/2017 9:44:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Even less reason to put the cup between her knees. Being a non coffee drinker myself, I'm kind of curious as to how easy or difficult it is to open McDonald's creamer with one hand. I don't use cream, and I don't drink McDonalds coffee. Drinking their coffee is a sign of poor judgement. You are right about that. I drank some on a food stop late one night on a long trip from home. It tasted like cardboard soup, bleh...I won't do THAT again.

BamaD -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/22/2017 12:27:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Being a non coffee drinker myself, I'm kind of curious as to how easy or difficult it is to open McDonald's creamer with one hand. I can't open those little tin tops with one hand and sometimes two hands aren't enough so I use my teeth to get it started then try to pry the foil off without spilling the cream all over myself. I would rate it between difficult and improbable. Just an opinion from Coffee Bean worshipper. ☕️☕️☕️ On OP Is cake art? If it uses an aperture it is probably art and if uses dowels it is probably just cake. Artisian cakes generally use things in addition to the actual cake for structure such as rice cereal, modeling edibles and the like or to enhance appearance such as blown sugar or chocolate work. I specialze in anti-gravity which is a technique I taught myself when I was sculpting the minatures for our haunted dollhouse. My favorite was my Potions cauldron which had a floating test tube above it pouring out a rainbow liquid which turned to gold once it got into the cauldron. Inside the cauldon was a bubbly mixture of green goo with various sizes of eyeballs in it and one skeleton hand raised up and gripping the cauldron edge from inside. When "I" make cake ... it's art. 😉 Most of the cakes I make have 'me' stamped all over them as I tends towards goth, macabre and horror as my favored themes but I can't resist throwing a little magic in, too. As far as things such as human prejudice, bias, discrimination and the like ... it is not a right, it is often a wrong ... but it is also an ability which most folks possess and some act upon and that is about all I have on it. As usual, there are consequences to indulging in damn near anything. Risk/Reward and all that. Why not put it in the cars cup holder?

MercTech -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/22/2017 6:55:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV And the lady that sued McDonald's had a legitimate case. Please stop spreading malicious lies on the internet. https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts CAOC <snip> That’s because those jurors were able to hear all the facts — including those presented by McDonald’s — and see the extent of Mrs. Liebeck’s injuries. Ask anyone who criticizes the case as a “frivolous lawsuit” that resulted in “jackpot justice” if they have done the same. Another point you didn't mention was that MacDonald's hat been cited during health department inspections multiple times and had been repeatedly fined for keeping there coffee too hot as it was a safety hazard to employees and customers alike. The lady who was burned was an elderly lady (I seem to remember 72) riding in the passenger seat of a car and spilled her coffee while trying to add cream and sugar before her driver pulled out of the parking lot. The original lawsuit was just for medical bills. The jury looked at the repeated fines over the very issue that got the lady hurt and tried to seriously impact MacDonald's southern California region. The punitive fine was for all the coffee revenue in the regional district where the access happened for a reasonable period of time. The judge kind of squicked when the first figure came out to be 16 million dollars and reduced it. Personally, I think MacDonald's region there should have been fined all their coffee money for the amount of time it took the lady to get treatment and recover fully. Over 20 million would have given MacDonald's a bit of a reality check. How else to you punish an international corporation than to imprison their money?

BamaD -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/22/2017 8:51:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV And the lady that sued McDonald's had a legitimate case. Please stop spreading malicious lies on the internet. https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts CAOC <snip> That’s because those jurors were able to hear all the facts — including those presented by McDonald’s — and see the extent of Mrs. Liebeck’s injuries. Ask anyone who criticizes the case as a “frivolous lawsuit” that resulted in “jackpot justice” if they have done the same. Another point you didn't mention was that MacDonald's hat been cited during health department inspections multiple times and had been repeatedly fined for keeping there coffee too hot as it was a safety hazard to employees and customers alike. The lady who was burned was an elderly lady (I seem to remember 72) riding in the passenger seat of a car and spilled her coffee while trying to add cream and sugar before her driver pulled out of the parking lot. The original lawsuit was just for medical bills. The jury looked at the repeated fines over the very issue that got the lady hurt and tried to seriously impact MacDonald's southern California region. The punitive fine was for all the coffee revenue in the regional district where the access happened for a reasonable period of time. The judge kind of squicked when the first figure came out to be 16 million dollars and reduced it. Personally, I think MacDonald's region there should have been fined all their coffee money for the amount of time it took the lady to get treatment and recover fully. Over 20 million would have given MacDonald's a bit of a reality check. How else to you punish an international corporation than to imprison their money? Actually McDonalds doesn't serve coffee, the serve chicory. It runs about 20-30 degrees hotter than coffee. Still, what happened to the cup holders.

Lucylastic -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/22/2017 9:10:43 PM)
someone please tell him the car was a model without cupholders FFS

WhoreMods -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/23/2017 4:24:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic someone please tell him the car was a model without cupholders FFS Look who you're talking about: facts either suit his worldview or they're obviously lies and disinformation.

Real0ne -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/23/2017 6:04:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic someone please tell him the car was a model without cupholders FFS someone pweez twell woosey the older cars used the gwove box door to hode cups.

Made2Obey -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/23/2017 6:17:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic someone please tell him the car was a model without cupholders FFS someone pweez twell woosey the older cars used the gwove box door to hode cups. As far back as the late 60s accessory cup holders that hung on the door windowsill were very popular. It was their popularity that caused the carmakers to start adding built in cup holders. But yeah, my 72 Dodge Dart had indentations on the back side of the glove box door for two cups. So did my mom's 69 Chrysler Town & Country wagon, and my sister's 65 Chrysler New Yorker. As for the OP, if wedding cakes aren't art why don't people just make them at home instead of paying really huge sums for them?

Lucylastic -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/23/2017 6:31:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic someone please tell him the car was a model without cupholders FFS someone pweez twell woosey the older cars used the gwove box door to hode cups. The information is that the car model, had no cupholders Its part of the case unlike you I dont pull shit out of my ass and put lipstick on it.

LadyPact -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/23/2017 7:38:56 AM)
This part of the discussion is getting kind of silly. People can talk all they like about, "well, it's coffee, you should expect it to be hot," all they like, but there's no reasonable expectation for the beverage to be served at 180 degrees. It's approximately forty degrees higher than you are brewing at home, and a specifically a policy by McDondalds to be able to hold their coffee for longer periods of time, to sell it as "fresh." There's this thing in law that is called "reasonable expectation." The consumer is supposed to have a reasonable expectation that the product they purchased is relatively safe for consumption. It's not negligence on the purchaser about "why didn't they put it in the cup-holder?" quote: ORIGINAL: Made2Obey quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic someone please tell him the car was a model without cupholders FFS someone pweez twell woosey the older cars used the gwove box door to hode cups. As far back as the late 60s accessory cup holders that hung on the door windowsill were very popular. It was their popularity that caused the carmakers to start adding built in cup holders. But yeah, my 72 Dodge Dart had indentations on the back side of the glove box door for two cups. So did my mom's 69 Chrysler Town & Country wagon, and my sister's 65 Chrysler New Yorker. It's not upon the customer to have cup-holders or not. It's not upon the customer to have 'expected' incidentals. As the customer, it's not my job to have safeguards, other that realistic expectations in place. quote: As for the OP, if wedding cakes aren't art why don't people just make them at home instead of paying really huge sums for them? Can you do it? I can't. When MP and I got married, we had a beautiful wedding cake. I couldn't have pulled it off with all of the tiers, etc. I mean, if you can make a layered cake for all of those people....

JVoV -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/23/2017 8:36:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV And the lady that sued McDonald's had a legitimate case. Please stop spreading malicious lies on the internet. From your article: quote: Mrs. Liebeck was not driving when her coffee spilled, nor was the car she was in moving. She was the passenger in a car that was stopped in the parking lot of the McDonald’s where she bought the coffee. She had the cup between her knees while removing the lid to add cream and sugar when the cup tipped over and spilled the entire contents on her lap. Anyone stupid enough to place a to go cup of hot coffee between their knees is asking for trouble. As for the McDonald's policy of serving dangerously hot coffee, having personally gotten coffee at McDonald's in just about every state, and taking a drink almost immediately, and never once burning my mouth, this sounds like more bullshit. For this to be true, either McDonald's has its employees microwave already hot coffee to boiling or they are purchasing specially designed coffee makers that keeps coffee at the boiling point. Since the trial, McDonalds has not lowered the temperature of the coffee they serve, and according to the National Coffee Association, McDonald's has always served coffee at the desired temp of between 176 to 194 degrees, and the whole fucking reason Liebeck won the fucking case was that even though there was a warning on the cup, the jury felt it was not worded strongly enough OR written large enough. In point of fact, this case is one of the primary fucking reasons congress passed the Tort reform bills. This case is considered one of the prime examples of a frivolous lawsuit, and if McDonald's had continued its appeals, the case would have been thrown out. The reason the final settlement was reached for under 600k was that McDonald's saw no gain in financially destroying a person, which is exactly what would have happened if McDonalds had continued the court process. Hell the judge in the original case reduced the amount of damages the jury awarded, by a substantial amount, which should indicate what his thoughts were on the entire case. Meanwhile, McDonald's was dealing with similar cases by the hundreds, every year.

Made2Obey -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/23/2017 8:38:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact It's not upon the customer to have cup-holders or not. It's not upon the customer to have 'expected' incidentals. There is such a thing however as personal responsibility and consequences for your own choices. I looked it up and the car involved was a 1989 Ford Probe. It did not have cup holders built in, though it may have had them on the backside of the glovebox door as was common for a long time before the car was made. In fact by 1989 most American made cars had cup holders. The Probe was essentially a Mazda 6 chassis with a Ford body on it, and Mazda hadn't yet gotten around to designing them in. But here is a photo of the same model car... [image]http://www.2040-cars.com/_content/cars/images/55/269055/005.jpg[/image] Now I ask you, would you place a hot beverage between your knees or on that nice flat shelf area on top of the dashboard right in front of you? McDonald's coffee may have been hot, but I still maintain that she was more culpable for her own actions than McDonald's was. The idea of 140° coffee didn't come around until people began using Mr Coffee type brewers. Prior to that people used percolators to make coffee that required the water to boil at 212° to work. At 79 it is reasonable to expect that when this woman began drinking coffee it was made in a percolator, and that she should have been well familiar with the concept of coffee being hot enough to cause burns.

Real0ne -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/23/2017 9:08:31 AM)
yep 'reasonable' is a 2 way street aint it [:D]

Greta75 -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/23/2017 11:13:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Well that would mean you expect him to cling to his faith in all matters, instead of just the ones that suit him. This would be forthrightness, honesty, sincerity... Dare I say righteousness. (Of course each of those is also an antonym of hypocrisy) If he discriminates, it brings into question his character in all things, but...thats just me:) The beauty of Christianity is, God will Judge. Who knows, maybe he will burn in hell later for refusing gay people, maybe he will not. Depending on what God thinks of his actions later. And reality is, NOBODY knows what the Christian God think of Gay people. Gay people will find out after they die. If they end up in heaven or hell. I am not Christian but I am just saying, this is how Christianity works. But point is, as a non-essential item, that they could easily get one at walmart. They just wanted his artistic skills for a cake. They shouldn't force him to bake a cake that celebrates something he does not believe in. This is like forcing jew to bake a cake for Hitler's birthday. It's mean!

BamaD -> RE: Are cakes art? (9/23/2017 11:27:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic someone please tell him the car was a model without cupholders FFS Look who you're talking about: facts either suit his worldview or they're obviously lies and disinformation. if accurate it must have been a really old car.

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