jlf1961
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
If you look at the number of gun deaths a year, you get 1 out of 6246 of legal gun owners responsible. Again not even 1% of the legal gun owners in the US are responsible, of course in that number you threw out there, does not even figure the number of guns used in those deaths that were stolen, or used by someone that should not, by law have a gun.
Yet every fucking time, its punish all gun owners, hold all them responsible for the actions of not even one percent of the gun owning population.
However, the same bunch is quick to say "you cannot blame all <insert group> for the actions of a small minority."
I think maybe the problem is that 'liberals' can't get into the headspace where owning a gun somehow defines you as a person the same as race, culture or religion does.
You are so persecuted because someone wants to take away your guns (which you don't need, no matter how much you want to believe you do), and yet punishing people for being mentally ill is a good idea.
tell you what old boy, you go out some night around here with a bolt action or single shot rifle to deal with a pack of wild hogs destroying pastures, hay crops, cotton fields and then tell me that you did not want something with a magazine that all you had to do was keep pulling the fucking trigger.
I have seen those fuckers shake off a 308 round and still charge the truck you are shooting from.
And before you say it was poor aim, I have seen a semi hit a wild hog and the semi needed a tow truck and the fucking hog walked away. Some of these animals are tipping the scales at 600 plus pounds.
And in parts of the country that have more abundant food supplies, some wild hogs are bumping a thousand pounds. You want to deal with this monster with a bolt action?
On the nights I go out, I earn between $200 and $500 a hog, depending on the size. And a head shot does not necessarily mean a kill, these bastards have skulls that defy description.
Of course, the state hunting laws, which apply to even hunting pest animals dont help. You are limited to straight ball ammo. Personally, I think some of these bastards would shake off armor piercing or hydroshocks.
And, if it were legal to hunt them with a belt fed machine gun, every person with a hog eradication business would do it in a heartbeat. I know one local using a fucking elephant gun.
But, I do have bolt action that, should you visit the area, I would be glad to loan you for a night of hog hunting, and after you deal with them for one night, you can give an educated opinion.
Now, I agree that one does not need an Ar15 type rifle with a 10 or 20 round mag to go deer hunting, a five round should be plenty. Hell a lever action rifle is good enough for deer, and considering that the deer around here are on the smallish side(thanks in part to the fucking hogs eating everything,) you could probably do fairly well with a freaking sling shot.
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
What I never get is why the second amendment is so fucking sacred that it can't be re-evaluated or changed in any way.
Seriously, it's like saying that it's an amendment and it's in the constitution equals 'time to turn off your brains and accept that there's nothing to be done here, this is just how it has to be'.
It's like people aren't allowed to adapt to modern times because history ended in the 18th century.
In some respects it has, and I will explain.
Up until around 1935, a person in the US could legally buy a fully automatic Thompson submachine gun through any catalog. In fact, when Thompson could not get the military to buy his weapon, he advertised it in western states as a way to deal with various pests, such as Coyotes.
Another point, from the writing of the bill of rights until the 20th century, the weapons used by the military were either the same caliber as those that were purchased by civilians, 44, 45 long colt, 45-70 for rifles and carbines, etc.
With the exception of the trap door single shot rifles and carbines, pistols used by the military and civilians were basically the same gun.
The government's and even SCOTUS attitude started to change during prohibition, meaning that select fire guns became harder to purchase by civilians. For example the infamous Tommy gun.
They did not actually make the purchase illegal or regulated until 1986, buy all automatics that already existed could be bought and sold with no problems.
However, to purchase a machine gun or select fire weapon, the following applies:
1 You need to be eligible to possess firearms in general.
2 You must live in a state where NFA items are permitted and machine guns, specifically, are legal to possess.
3 The machine gun you wish to acquire must have been manufactured on or before May 19, 1986. That is the cutoff date for entries to be made in the NFRTR (National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record), the registry of all NFA items in the United States including machine guns.
4 You must locate a Class III dealer (FFL01+SOT) that sells or can transfer in the machine gun you wish to acquire in your state of residence.
5 You must purchase the machine gun upfront prior to transfer and have it shipped to your Class III dealer. For a full-auto M16, this will be anywhere from $12,000 and up. Typical prices for an M16 hover around $14,000 to $16,000.
Once purchased and with your dealer, the dealer will fill out the Form 4 application on your behalf to submission to the BATFE and collect your $200 NFA transfer stamp tax.
6 The application will be submitted. Now you wait 8+ months for the full FBI background check and BATFE processing to complete.
7 Once the Form 4 is processed, it will be returned to the dealer along with the tax stamp which is part of your paperwork. You can then take possession of your military grade fully automatic firearm and take it home.
8 The tax stamp must be kept with the firearm it belongs to at all times! The tax stamp is your only affirmative defense to prove you are not in possession of an illegal machine gun. The tax stamp is proof you paid the transfer tax and legally transferred the machine gun. Ranges that allow Class III will want to see the stamp. If you get pulled over and the gun is discovered/inspected, law enforcement will definitely want to see it too. You may be required to present the firearm for inspection on demand by the BATFE.
9 You may not transport the fully automatic firearm across state lines for any purpose without prior consent of the Federal government. You must request this in advance and provide details on where the firearm is going, when you are leaving and when it will return to its registered location of residence.
10 You cannot leave the presence of your fully automatic firearm. If someone else is shooting it, you must be with it, legally speaking. The one exception to this is if you have formed a legal trust for the purpose of possessing the firearm, in which case all beneficiaries of the trust (usually family or employees) may have access to the firearm.
So, contrary to popular belief, or the propaganda put out by many, the second amendment has evolved, or the laws regarding it has.
< Message edited by jlf1961 -- 10/5/2017 12:26:31 PM >
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