jlf1961
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ORIGINAL: Greta75
I don't need to be an expert to know that in old days America, you guys didn't have all the sophisticated weapons needed for hunting that you guys have today. So whatever they used in the past should be good enough to hunt for food. They survived well on it. Infact, I can already see that the second amendment refers to the ARMS of whichever era this amendment was made. And maybe all the unlimited guns available for purchase should be limited to guns from that era. That wouldn't trespass the amendment too. I'm totally all for keeping to the amendment, but I know we can have the amendment and not have unnecessary weapons at easy access.
gee another educated by Hollywood.
Okay, well lets burst your knowledge or lack there of.
1) gunfights, contrary to hollywood myth were rare, and rarely were those involved more than 10 feet away from each other.
there is an account found in the records of the Dodge City Kansas paper of two men who got into a disagreement over a card game, they chased each other around the card table exchanging fire the entire time and both even reloaded at least once.
they never hit each other but managed to wound the bar tender, piano player, three patrons and a prostitute when on bullet fired went through the ceiling and hit her in the ass.
2) the firearms in use prior to the invention of smokeless powder were notoriously inaccurate, with few exceptions over a range of 10 yards for pistols and 100 yards for rifles.
the exceptions being the larger caliber buffalo guns (more on that later)
3) the famed Winchester lever action was sold more in carbine form so that it could be easily carried and drawn from a scabbard attached to a saddle, but the shorter barrel limited effective range of the weapon to less than 100 to 150 yards for the average shooter.
From this Hollywood created another myth for the non gun using public. To those who think any firearm with a butt and long barrel is a rifle, which is not the case, long arms come in two forms, carbine and rifle.
A rifle has a longer barrel, usually a minimum of six inches which adds stability to the round fired because it gains more spin in the longer barrel thus increasing its range, in some cases up to 600 yards or more. The Sharps drop block and Remington rolling block buffalo guns were reputed to have ranges of nearly a thousand yards, with equal accuracy.
The short barreled carbine was for ranges of 100 yards or less.
Then there was the ammo, which was not consistent to any degree from the factory. So, the average hunter fired five rounds for every one kill he got, or he missed four out of five times.
When you are putting food on the table for a family, that is not a good average.
Going further back, during the civil war, when all ammo expenditures were calculated, for every enemy soldier hit by a bullet, there was about a thousand rounds fired.
Prior to the invention of the Minie` ball, it was closer to 10000 rounds fired for every soldier hit. Which was the reason for massed formations of shooters in armies.
Contrasting that to modern weapons, the accuracy and effectiveness of the ammo and weapons have been greatly improved.
And I am not referring to weapon ammo capacity.
Today, an AR15 styled sporting rifle in .223 or 5.56 NATO can drop a dear using a round that is a little bigger than a 22 bullet, and with a higher rate of one round one kill shots.
So, yes you do have to be an expert to understand the difference between modern sporting rifles and those from the 19th century.
So, please, if you wish to cease making yourself look completely foolish, stop talking about things you know absolutely nothing about.
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