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if someone wants to kill large groups of people, they will find a way and ultimately, theres nothing that can be done to prevent that.

So by your logic, we shouldn't restrict individuals from engaging in biological warfare if they want to. Because someone will always find a way, right?

Yours is the argument of a functional moron. It is so incredibly stupid it could only be made by someone whose IQ hovers in the 70's.

You have my pity.

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"Violent nuts are allowed to roam free until they do damage, no matter how threatening they are," O'Reilly wrote.

"The murderer had a number of deadly weapons in his room and you can count on the gun control debate to ramp up. But having covered scores of gun-related crimes over the years, I can tell you that government restrictions will not stop psychopaths from harming people."

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As we reported Monday, liberal hatemongers, including a CBS legal executive, expressed hope that Trump supporters were killed during a mass shooting in Las Vegas. Among those who expressed their unhinged hatred was a Twitter user who declared that she wants every single Trump supporter dead.

“I honestly want every single trump (sic) supporter dead. This isn’t a tweet for attention. If you support trump (sic) I want you 6 feet in the ground,” said Twitter user “i am cassie.”

She followed that up with: “Me finding out it was a Las Vegas country concert so they were probably all trump (sic) supporters.”

The message included an animated graphic of a woman clapping.

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Early Monday morning, a man identified as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock opened fire on a crowd of people from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort in Las Vegas, Nevada, killing over 50 people and wounding hundreds more. While much of the country came together in sorrow, mourning and prayer, some — notably anti-Trump liberals — used the incident to spread hate and discontent.

One person to do so was a self-described teacher named Ann, who took to social media to pray — but not for the safety of the victims. According to BizPac Review, she prayed that all of those killed were supporters of President Donald Trump.

“Lots of white (President) Trump supporters in Las Vegas at Route 21 watching Jason Aldean. Pray only trumptards died. #PrayForVegas,”she wrote on Twitter.

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In a tweet issued early Tuesday morning, singer Nancy Sinatra called for members of the National Rifle Association (NRA) to be executed by firing squad. Naturally, her tweet didn’t sit too well with many.

“The murderous members of the NRA should face a firing squad,” she wrote.

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while im here, these are too good to pass up:

"Unhinged liberal hatemonger cheers Las Vegas massacre: ‘I honestly want every single Trump supporter dead’"

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As we reported Monday, liberal hatemongers, including a CBS legal executive, expressed hope that Trump supporters were killed during a mass shooting in Las Vegas. Among those who expressed their unhinged hatred was a Twitter user who declared that she wants every single Trump supporter dead.

“I honestly want every single trump (sic) supporter dead. This isn’t a tweet for attention. If you support trump (sic) I want you 6 feet in the ground,” said Twitter user “i am cassie.”

She followed that up with: “Me finding out it was a Las Vegas country concert so they were probably all trump (sic) supporters.”

The message included an animated graphic of a woman clapping.

http://conservativefiringline.com/unhinged-liberal-hatemonger-cheers-las-vegas-massacre-honestly-want-every-single-trump-supporter-dead/

"Teacher prays that ‘only Trumptards’ killed in Las Vegas massacre"

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Early Monday morning, a man identified as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock opened fire on a crowd of people from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort in Las Vegas, Nevada, killing over 50 people and wounding hundreds more. While much of the country came together in sorrow, mourning and prayer, some — notably anti-Trump liberals — used the incident to spread hate and discontent.

One person to do so was a self-described teacher named Ann, who took to social media to pray — but not for the safety of the victims. According to BizPac Review, she prayed that all of those killed were supporters of President Donald Trump.

“Lots of white (President) Trump supporters in Las Vegas at Route 21 watching Jason Aldean. Pray only trumptards died. #PrayForVegas,”she wrote on Twitter.

http://conservativefiringline.com/teacher-prays-that-only-trumptards-killed-in-las-vegas-massacre/

"Nancy Sinatra calls for execution of ‘murderous’ NRA members by firing squad"

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In a tweet issued early Tuesday morning, singer Nancy Sinatra called for members of the National Rifle Association (NRA) to be executed by firing squad. Naturally, her tweet didn’t sit too well with many.

“The murderous members of the NRA should face a firing squad,” she wrote.

http://conservativefiringline.com/nancy-sinatra-calls-execution-murderous-nra-members-firing-squad/

as a small aside, I understand keith olbermann just called the NRA a "terrorist organization."

I have little doubt, some of you comrades share the sentiments posted above.

tell me again who the real enemy is?

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tell me again who the real enemy is?

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while im here, these are too good to pass up:

"Unhinged liberal hatemonger cheers Las Vegas massacre: ‘I honestly want every single Trump supporter dead’"

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As we reported Monday, liberal hatemongers, including a CBS legal executive, expressed hope that Trump supporters were killed during a mass shooting in Las Vegas. Among those who expressed their unhinged hatred was a Twitter user who declared that she wants every single Trump supporter dead.

“I honestly want every single trump (sic) supporter dead. This isn’t a tweet for attention. If you support trump (sic) I want you 6 feet in the ground,” said Twitter user “i am cassie.”

She followed that up with: “Me finding out it was a Las Vegas country concert so they were probably all trump (sic) supporters.”

The message included an animated graphic of a woman clapping.

http://conservativefiringline.com/unhinged-liberal-hatemonger-cheers-las-vegas-massacre-honestly-want-every-single-trump-supporter-dead/

"Teacher prays that ‘only Trumptards’ killed in Las Vegas massacre"

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Early Monday morning, a man identified as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock opened fire on a crowd of people from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort in Las Vegas, Nevada, killing over 50 people and wounding hundreds more. While much of the country came together in sorrow, mourning and prayer, some — notably anti-Trump liberals — used the incident to spread hate and discontent.

One person to do so was a self-described teacher named Ann, who took to social media to pray — but not for the safety of the victims. According to BizPac Review, she prayed that all of those killed were supporters of President Donald Trump.

“Lots of white (President) Trump supporters in Las Vegas at Route 21 watching Jason Aldean. Pray only trumptards died. #PrayForVegas,”she wrote on Twitter.

http://conservativefiringline.com/teacher-prays-that-only-trumptards-killed-in-las-vegas-massacre/

"Nancy Sinatra calls for execution of ‘murderous’ NRA members by firing squad"

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In a tweet issued early Tuesday morning, singer Nancy Sinatra called for members of the National Rifle Association (NRA) to be executed by firing squad. Naturally, her tweet didn’t sit too well with many.

“The murderous members of the NRA should face a firing squad,” she wrote.

http://conservativefiringline.com/nancy-sinatra-calls-execution-murderous-nra-members-firing-squad/

as a small aside, I understand keith olbermann just called the NRA a "terrorist organization."

I have little doubt, some of you comrades share the sentiments posted above.

tell me again who the real enemy is?

Extremists are the enemy bounty. And you cherry pick extremist views and use them to define half the population. That doesn't make you much better than them.

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while im here, these are too good to pass up:

"Unhinged liberal hatemonger cheers Las Vegas massacre: ‘I honestly want every single Trump supporter dead’"

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As we reported Monday, liberal hatemongers, including a CBS legal executive, expressed hope that Trump supporters were killed during a mass shooting in Las Vegas. Among those who expressed their unhinged hatred was a Twitter user who declared that she wants every single Trump supporter dead.

“I honestly want every single trump (sic) supporter dead. This isn’t a tweet for attention. If you support trump (sic) I want you 6 feet in the ground,” said Twitter user “i am cassie.”

She followed that up with: “Me finding out it was a Las Vegas country concert so they were probably all trump (sic) supporters.”

The message included an animated graphic of a woman clapping.

http://conservativefiringline.com/unhinged-liberal-hatemonger-cheers-las-vegas-massacre-honestly-want-every-single-trump-supporter-dead/

"Teacher prays that ‘only Trumptards’ killed in Las Vegas massacre"

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Early Monday morning, a man identified as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock opened fire on a crowd of people from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort in Las Vegas, Nevada, killing over 50 people and wounding hundreds more. While much of the country came together in sorrow, mourning and prayer, some — notably anti-Trump liberals — used the incident to spread hate and discontent.

One person to do so was a self-described teacher named Ann, who took to social media to pray — but not for the safety of the victims. According to BizPac Review, she prayed that all of those killed were supporters of President Donald Trump.

“Lots of white (President) Trump supporters in Las Vegas at Route 21 watching Jason Aldean. Pray only trumptards died. #PrayForVegas,”she wrote on Twitter.

http://conservativefiringline.com/teacher-prays-that-only-trumptards-killed-in-las-vegas-massacre/

"Nancy Sinatra calls for execution of ‘murderous’ NRA members by firing squad"

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In a tweet issued early Tuesday morning, singer Nancy Sinatra called for members of the National Rifle Association (NRA) to be executed by firing squad. Naturally, her tweet didn’t sit too well with many.

“The murderous members of the NRA should face a firing squad,” she wrote.

http://conservativefiringline.com/nancy-sinatra-calls-execution-murderous-nra-members-firing-squad/

as a small aside, I understand keith olbermann just called the NRA a "terrorist organization."

I have little doubt, some of you comrades share the sentiments posted above.

tell me again who the real enemy is?

Extremists are the enemy bounty. And you cherry pick extremist views and use them to define half the population. That doesn't make you much better than them.

Didnt a repub call for hillary to be shot for treason???
Ah yes Al Baldisaro
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/clinton-baldasaro/496199/

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If a deer is wounded, would it still be able to run so fast that you can't catch up with the deer to make the second shot? With a normal gun that doesn't load as fast?
I would think it would immediately go down. And as you said, "crawl off". Which is in slow motion.

No, Greta. It honestly doesn't work that way. When deer are wounded, they run to the best of their ability, meaning even up to top speed. You're talking about a scared, wounded animal that by instinct is running for it's life. You want to put the animal down, rather than let it suffer.

I've hit a deer with a car going 60 MPH. The deer ran away after the impact. I have no idea if it died from it's injuries or not.

I also wanted to add something about your comment about how it's not sportsmanship to use more than one bullet. That's nice and all, but you are conveniently forgetting that hunting isn't just sport for some people. There are still people in this country that hunt to eat/supplement their food budget. They depend on the meat from hunting to feed their families. If it takes two shots to put the deer down, it's better to do it.

It's interesting that, other than jlfs hog hunting, the only thing talked (argued?) about has been the needs for hunting deer. There are many other game animals, and many other types of guns needed/wanted for hunting them, from a .22 for plinking at varmints and pests up to heavy guns for hunting or protection from game like bear and moose. And there is also the variations in shotgun size and ability whether you're hunting doves or geese and turkeys. An avid hunter will often hunt all of those and more, and will need/want a variety of firearms for hunting them.

And don't get me started on what's needed to hunt bigfoot! (yes, that last one is said in jest)

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More to the point they didn't know where the fire was coming from.
The cops only found his position because the smoke detector was set off.

Would there have been no flash from the gun itself to see, then?

Did he have flash suppressors?

No idea. Really, though, the situation he was in - it was pretty much a modern-day castle, that hotel, wasn't it? Until the police got to him as a result of the smoke alarms, he was next to 100% safe from retaliation.

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THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Never mind that you completely ignored the rest of my post, explaining the Second Amendment. The right to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

No other Constitutional Amendment is worded so strongly. None of them.

The RIGHT to BEAR ARMS.

Not the RIGHT to bear ALL types of Arms or Unlimited Arms.

As I said, the law is NOT specific. And reality is, you don't have the right to Bear ANY TYPE of arms in the US currently.

The fact that there are forbidden weapons currently, tells me that, this LAW isn't bullet proof that protects you from the right to Bear ANY ARMS.

So if they restrict the type of guns you can buy from stores.

That wouldn't be trespassing the law. Because you still get access to arms. Just selected ones. Which is already happening.

SHALL
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INFRINGED.

The fact that there are weapons banned currently is an indication that the Supreme Court has not had the same Constitutional views as it does now. That happens. A fucking lot.

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The NRA announced today that it would support tighter restrictions on bump stocks. Happy, Greta?

Now find a Republican willing and able to get a bill passed.

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More to the point they didn't know where the fire was coming from.
The cops only found his position because the smoke detector was set off.

Would there have been no flash from the gun itself to see, then?

Did he have flash suppressors?

No idea. Really, though, the situation he was in - it was pretty much a modern-day castle, that hotel, wasn't it? Until the police got to him as a result of the smoke alarms, he was next to 100% safe from retaliation.

A flash suppressor only works to the sides. When the barrel is pointed toward your proximity you see the flash.

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I don't need to be an expert to know that in old days America, you guys didn't have all the sophisticated weapons needed for hunting that you guys have today. So whatever they used in the past should be good enough to hunt for food. They survived well on it. Infact, I can already see that the second amendment refers to the ARMS of whichever era this amendment was made. And maybe all the unlimited guns available for purchase should be limited to guns from that era. That wouldn't trespass the amendment too. I'm totally all for keeping to the amendment, but I know we can have the amendment and not have unnecessary weapons at easy access.

gee another educated by Hollywood.

Okay, well lets burst your knowledge or lack there of.

1) gunfights, contrary to hollywood myth were rare, and rarely were those involved more than 10 feet away from each other.

there is an account found in the records of the Dodge City Kansas paper of two men who got into a disagreement over a card game, they chased each other around the card table exchanging fire the entire time and both even reloaded at least once.
they never hit each other but managed to wound the bar tender, piano player, three patrons and a prostitute when on bullet fired went through the ceiling and hit her in the ass.

2) the firearms in use prior to the invention of smokeless powder were notoriously inaccurate, with few exceptions over a range of 10 yards for pistols and 100 yards for rifles.

the exceptions being the larger caliber buffalo guns (more on that later)

3) the famed Winchester lever action was sold more in carbine form so that it could be easily carried and drawn from a scabbard attached to a saddle, but the shorter barrel limited effective range of the weapon to less than 100 to 150 yards for the average shooter.

From this Hollywood created another myth for the non gun using public. To those who think any firearm with a butt and long barrel is a rifle, which is not the case, long arms come in two forms, carbine and rifle.

A rifle has a longer barrel, usually a minimum of six inches which adds stability to the round fired because it gains more spin in the longer barrel thus increasing its range, in some cases up to 600 yards or more. The Sharps drop block and Remington rolling block buffalo guns were reputed to have ranges of nearly a thousand yards, with equal accuracy.

The short barreled carbine was for ranges of 100 yards or less.

Then there was the ammo, which was not consistent to any degree from the factory. So, the average hunter fired five rounds for every one kill he got, or he missed four out of five times.

When you are putting food on the table for a family, that is not a good average.

Going further back, during the civil war, when all ammo expenditures were calculated, for every enemy soldier hit by a bullet, there was about a thousand rounds fired.

Prior to the invention of the Minie` ball, it was closer to 10000 rounds fired for every soldier hit. Which was the reason for massed formations of shooters in armies.

Contrasting that to modern weapons, the accuracy and effectiveness of the ammo and weapons have been greatly improved.

And I am not referring to weapon ammo capacity.

Today, an AR15 styled sporting rifle in .223 or 5.56 NATO can drop a dear using a round that is a little bigger than a 22 bullet, and with a higher rate of one round one kill shots.

So, yes you do have to be an expert to understand the difference between modern sporting rifles and those from the 19th century.

So, please, if you wish to cease making yourself look completely foolish, stop talking about things you know absolutely nothing about.

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Watch Red Dawn. Either version is fine, but the Swayze one is better.

I've seen the Swayze one.
It's ridiculous... and has only become more ridiculous over time.

The US is not going to be invaded any time soon, despite what the RWNJs believe about white culture being overthrown by Muslims and illegals.
The moment China or Russia or wherever touched down, the US would be hitting them back as hard as they could with the largest military force in the world.

We are living in a world of proxy wars and capitalist plunderers, not the pre-WWII 'great powers' scenario.

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I don't know what area you live in, but I had a job that I loved and was good at, that just happened to make me a possible target for hate crimes. I made the decisions that were right for me, and I don't regret any of it. But you seem to think I'm obligated to let someone attack me before I make an attempt to stop it. And I don't believe that. Laws in my State agree with me.

My life matters to me a whole hell of a lot more than some drunken assholes' out to start trouble.

And carrying a gun was not my only way of dealing with any possible threats. I always had friends around, always had people I could trust close at hand when I was at any bar or club. And I went straight to them each time, and they kept me safe, when my drinks got spiked. One friend admitted to being jealous of how much free GHB I got. I learned the area I had to walk. I knew where people could hide, and where I could hide if I needed to. I kept my drinking to a minimum, unless I had a designated driver for the night. I got there way earlier than necessary when I was working, to get a closer parking spot. And when I was able to decide where I wanted to work, instead of taking any job I could get, I made sure it was better clubs, with more security and better parking available.

When you're being attacked, you don't get to decide what weapons are used against you, or how many people are attacking, or what kind of physical training they have.

I have honestly never been attacked by anyone since high school and have never not been able to defuse or avoid any potential conflict since then, but I am fairly certain that violence doesn't tend to start with someone pulling out a gun... it starts small and escalates. If you can control the situation, you have a better chance of defusing the tension.

Martial arts can defend against most kinds of attacks, including multiple assailants and knife attacks.
If the other person has a gun then you probably need a gun too but again, the other person/people having guns is part of why gun control seems so important.

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from a couple years ago (some other fellow with an "IQ hovering in the 70s")

"We Will Not Legislate Away Evil"

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Yesterday morning tragedy unfolded in Virginia as a reporter and camera man for a local television station were gunned down by a man intent, according to his claims, of inciting the race war Dylan Roof had so badly wanted. Last night, in Sunset, LA, a man killed a police officer with a gun then stabbed three women. One of the women died. The gunman from the morning died. The gunman from the evening was captured.

Immediately calls for gun control rang out, but there is thus far no evidence that more laws would have prevented these tragedies [sound familiar?] — unless guns are altogether to be banned, something the Supreme Court has declared unconstitutional.

The reality is that evil exists and we will never legislate it away. [low IQ!] Bad things will always happen. Evil people will do evil things. We saw evil in Charleston. We saw evil yesterday. Unfortunately, too many are too blind to evil. Those who have eyes to see can see the evil in Planned Parenthood decapitating children and sending their heads in the mail making sure their eyes are closed. Those who have eyes to see can see the evil in the collapse of families and the rise of dysfunctional young people without a relationship with one parent or the other.

Evil exists. It exists in degrees. It is sometimes obvious and sometimes not. But it is here in the world. The only cure for evil is Jesus Christ. As our society becomes more secular and hostile to the things of faith, it will only get worse. Only the acts of evil will more and more come not in the form of violence but the in the form of conduct deemed acceptable and beneficial thought it is not.

Evil is always going to exist. It is never going to be exterminated by us. It will not be legislated away. But it will be exterminated on that final day. Until then all of us should work to be better neighbors with each other and those who have eyes to see and ears to hear should not shy away from pointing out the barbarous when the world itself turns a blind eye.

https://www.redstate.com/erick/2015/08/27/we-will-not-legislate-away-evil/

Of course, it seems to be the NRA and the other pro-gun lobbyists pushing the "only a total ban will address the problem" approach, as they can use that to build strawman arguments that the evil control freak liberals (and their democrat stooges in Congress) want to seize all the guns and leave everybody in the country defenceless against nutters, evil shits, immigrants and people with brain tumours. (And now, apparently, the late Anton Lavey -who you'd have thought the libertarian element that's a sizeable chunk of the pro-gun community would have been all for- and his Satanists.)
It's a disingenuous and deceitful approach as all of the gun control legislation that has been proposed and thrown out involves regulation rather than complete bans on firearms. Simple (and unconstitutional, apparently) measures like refusing a firearms license to people with certain medical problems, criminal records for specific offences.

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More to the point they didn't know where the fire was coming from.
The cops only found his position because the smoke detector was set off.

Would there have been no flash from the gun itself to see, then?

Did he have flash suppressors?

No idea. Really, though, the situation he was in - it was pretty much a modern-day castle, that hotel, wasn't it? Until the police got to him as a result of the smoke alarms, he was next to 100% safe from retaliation.

A flash suppressor only works to the sides. When the barrel is pointed toward your proximity you see the flash.

If the barrel's pointed at your face and you see the flash, you're very unlikely to hear anything ever again...