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ORIGINAL: tamaka

My Master went to Spain recently (after the terrorist thing) and He was showing me pictures of SWAT teams everywhere. I asked Him how it felt being there, walking through the streets of Barcelona with SWAT teams everywhere, and He said at first it was a little shocking, but then He got used to it and He felt safe walking the streets. And in the pictures, lots of people were walking the streets, even late at night. It seems like the lighting over there is a bit different then it is here in the US. It seemed a bit different in the pictures.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

if someone wants to kill large groups of people, they will find a way and ultimately, theres nothing that can be done to prevent that.

So by your logic, we shouldn't restrict individuals from engaging in biological warfare if they want to. Because someone will always find a way, right?

Yours is the argument of a functional moron. It is so incredibly stupid it could only be made by someone whose IQ hovers in the 70's.

You have my pity.

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Liberals believe in never letting a crisis go to waste; so before the blood cools on the ground after a mass shooting, we always have some variation of the following conversation:

Liberals: WE MUST ACT!

Conservatives: What do you want to do?

Liberals: A bunch of things that will hurt law-abiding gun owners, but won't fix the problem!

Conservatives: No, thanks.

Liberals: WHY WON'T YOU ACT?!?!?

Every time some terrorist, wacko or radical kills people, liberals always want to take guns away from the people who didn’t do it. Their unconstitutional goal is complete gun confiscation, something which would likely lead to mass violence against the people carrying it out along with the prominent people and government officials advocating it. The Founding Fathers understood that if the American people were ever disarmed, it would only be a matter of time until the guns of a fascistic government were pointed at the people. So wise Americans understand that an attempt at widespread gun confiscation in the United States may very well lead to large numbers of freedom loving civilians, cops and military members taking up arms to insure that we continue to live in a Constitutional Republic. Liberals would do well not to forget that.

Setting aside the bloodbath that policy would likely lead to, it still wouldn’t solve the problem even if it worked. You can talk about the “success” of gun confiscation in Australia if you like, but it’s not a comparable situation. There are already large numbers of illegal guns in the United States and getting more firearms into the country isn’t going to be a big problem with our porous borders. You want to get rid of guns in the United States?

Well, you CAN’T.

But of course, calling for gun confiscation in the United States is widely unpopular and so many liberals won’t admit that’s what they want to do.

So what other gun control laws could liberals implement that would stop mass shootings?

None.

If you want to know why, take a look at some of the most prominent shootings in recent years starting with Stephen Paddock in Las Vegas.

Paddock killed 59 people with semi-automatic rifles, but he had no criminal record or known mental health issues and he passed a background check with ease. He did apparently use bump stocks on his guns to speed their rate of fire and even the NRA is on board with banning them. Would getting rid of bump stocks have stopped Paddock? No, but it MAY have reduced the body count. Keep in mind that bump stocks replicate a technique that can be learned; so he may have been able to do the same thing without a bump stock given time, practice and motivation, all of which he seems to have had.

Then there’s Omar Mateen, the Pulse Nightclub shooter who gunned down 49 with a semi-automatic rifle. The Lone Wolf Jihadi bought his guns legally after passing a background check.

What about Dylann Roof? The notorious racist killer who killed black Americans at a South Carolina church? He did pass his background check, but it was because of an error by the FBI screener looking at his application. Unlike the first two names on this list, he did his killing with a semi-automatic pistol.

We also can’t forget Adam Lanza. Remember, the crazy kid who killed 26 at Sandy Hook? He murdered his own mother and took her guns. What law stops someone who is ready to kill his own mother?

Jared Lee Loughner was forced to leave college because campus officials feared for the safety of students around him, but he wasn’t convicted of a crime. Therefore, he passed a background check to buy the Glock he used to kill 6 people and shoot Gabrielle Giffords in the head.

Major Nidal Malik Hasan was caught talking to a radical, anti-American cleric, but our intelligence agencies just shrugged that off. Later, he passed a background check, bought a semi-automatic pistol and used it to murder people at Fort Hood.

James Holmes was seeing a psychiatrist, but never spoke of any plans he had to hurt people, which would have legally required her to report it. Holmes passed a background check, bought weapons including a semi-automatic pistol, semi-automatic rifle and a shotgun and used his weapons to murder 12 people in an Aurora, Colorado theater.

We can go on and on with this, but the point is that there is no magic fix.

Want to reduce the size of high capacity magazines? Once you know your way around a gun, you can change out a magazine in less than 2 seconds. Furthermore, semi-automatic rifles, semi-automatic pistols and shotguns have all been used in mass killings. Banning one class of guns isn’t going to stop it. Additionally, as we discussed, banning all classes of guns wouldn’t end mass killings either. In Europe, where there already are the gun control laws liberals would love to implement, there are still gun massacres. One hundred thirty people were killed in a mass shooting with automatic weapons in France in 2015. Even if every gun on the planet magically disappeared tomorrow, the mass killings wouldn’t go away. In fact, the largest mass murders on American soil were committed with airplanes (9/11) and bombs (Oklahoma City). That seems especially noteworthy given that Paddock also had ammonium nitrate that could have been used to make a bomb. In 2016 in France, a man even killed 84 people by plowing through crowds with a truck. What, are we going to ban vehicles next? Get serious.

Once someone’s mind is set on murder, there is no simple fix.

So, how do you find the people bent on murder? Most of the time you don’t. Predicting which “moderate Muslim” will be radicalized and become a lone wolf killer is impossible. Predicting which mentally ill person will actually go around the bend and kill people isn’t doable. Some might be better bets to become violent than others, but the vast majority of people with mental illnesses don’t hurt anyone.

Maybe getting God back in our schools, pushing Christian values and working on changing our “all attention is good attention” social-media-driven society might help, but I doubt liberals would be on board with any of those things.[functional moron!]

Long story short, gun control isn’t the fix for mass murders. If you want gun control so badly, move to the South Side of Chicago where it already exists and leave all of us law-abiding gun owners alone.

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Maybe getting God back in our schools, pushing Christian values and working on changing our “all attention is good attention” social-media-driven society might help, but I doubt liberals would be on board with any of those things.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
LMAO. Careful now, Tamaka may be around somewhere. Better have mumsey near if you're going to keep this BS up. LOL, poor poor little victim.

I really have a hard time accepting that you're 62 years old.
Did you experience a brain injury at some point, sort of like 'Regarding Henry'?

I mean, you do so many awesome things, it seems like there must have been some opportunities for that.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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Maybe getting God back in our schools, pushing Christian values and working on changing our “all attention is good attention” social-media-driven society might help, but I doubt liberals would be on board with any of those things.

'Maybe'.
As if the idiots who read townhall have any doubts.

Hey maybe if the US became a theocratic Christian Nationalist state, Jesus would come down from heaven just to run for president. He would be a true Republican, the wall would be built, North Korea would be nuked, guns would be everywhere, and climate change would be exposed as a hoax... and there wouldn't be a damn thing anyone could do about it, because that is what God wants.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
LMAO. Careful now, Tamaka may be around somewhere. Better have mumsey near if you're going to keep this BS up. LOL, poor poor little victim.

I really have a hard time accepting that you're 62 years old.
Did you experience a brain injury at some point, sort of like 'Regarding Henry'?

I mean, you do so many awesome things, it seems like there must have been some opportunities for that.

Lol, getting your troll balls back little man? LMAO at you Google boy.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
LMAO. Careful now, Tamaka may be around somewhere. Better have mumsey near if you're going to keep this BS up. LOL, poor poor little victim.

I really have a hard time accepting that you're 62 years old.
Did you experience a brain injury at some point, sort of like 'Regarding Henry'?

I mean, you do so many awesome things, it seems like there must have been some opportunities for that.

Lol, getting your troll balls back little man? LMAO at you Google boy.

You know Nancy, at this point, I'm convinced that your biggest problem is you're just old.

You're too old to even understand how trolling works or what it is, too old to understand why the collected resources of the Internet (including the opinions and advice of professionals with more experience than you) beat your personal experience every single time.

I used to think you were just lazy or afraid of being proven wrong, but now I realize the problem is that you're just not used to actually looking things up.
It also makes sense that you're a conservative-- you're too old to adapt to what society needs to be, so you yearn to get back what is gone forever.

Honestly, knowing you're 62 is changing how I think about you... also, it's making me happy, because you and others like you will die soon, and then the world can finally get rid of all this Trumpist bullshit forever.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
LMAO. Careful now, Tamaka may be around somewhere. Better have mumsey near if you're going to keep this BS up. LOL, poor poor little victim.

I really have a hard time accepting that you're 62 years old.
Did you experience a brain injury at some point, sort of like 'Regarding Henry'?

I mean, you do so many awesome things, it seems like there must have been some opportunities for that.

Lol, getting your troll balls back little man? LMAO at you Google boy.

You know Nancy, at this point, I'm convinced that your biggest problem is you're just old.

You're too old to even understand how trolling works or what it is, too old to understand why the collected resources of the Internet (including the opinions and advice of professionals with more experience than you) beat your personal experience every single time, and too old to have a mind sharp enough to spot a logical fallacy.
You're stuck in your old ways and it's never going to change.

I used to think you were just lazy or afraid of being proven wrong, but now I realize the problem is that you're just not used to actually looking things up, because that's just not how it was done when you were growing up.
It also makes sense that you're a conservative-- you're too old to adapt to what society needs to be, so you yearn to get back what is gone forever.

Honestly, knowing you're 62 is changing how I think about you... also, it's making me happy, because you and others like you will die soon, and then the world can finally get rid of all this Trumpist bullshit forever.

I just hope to god I'm not online making piss poor argument and trolling people with small dick jokes when I'm your age, but it seems you have nothing else going on.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

When you try to attack someone by making wild guesses about what their lives are like, it never really works. In order for what you're saying to actually land, all of this 'never stuck with anything' or 'never became good at anything' stuff would have to be true.

I know for a fact you are old, and that is why it makes sense that you're like this because you're just old. But you're just guessing that I've never become an expert... so yeah, not really having the effect you want it to have.

So anyways, I don't really want to keep arguing like a 12 year old with some old guy. I'm embarrassed enough about spending any time at all here, let alone participating in this shit.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
You're just going to ignore anything I say that doesn't fit what you want to believe, but whatever... lucky for you, you get to lecture me about how rape works and get all outraged at my 'victim-blaming', even when I clearly insisted the victim was not to blame. Enjoy the emotional charge of your outrage. I guess people can just do whatever they want and don't need to be cautious about who they get involved with, where they live/go. etc.? That is all I was saying... 'it's probably dangerous to be in such a situation' is not the same as 'bitch had it coming'... but i doubt this will ever register.

The US is definitely a scary place and I never want to live there again... which is also why people need to know about the areas they're moving into, the people they meet and interact with, etc. Surely there are areas where rapist home invasions are less likely to happen? I knew people in college who moved into cheap apartments in rough areas and were shocked when they were robbed over and over by crackheads looking for expensive shit to steal. No surprises there, but it doesn't mean they deserved it... still, there were plenty of student ghettos and ethnic areas where it probably wouldn't have happened.

Of course Nancy is going to fake compassion because that helps his pro gun narrative... but the idea that he's being genuinely sensitive is laughable... he's a pathological asshole. It's also pretty clear at this point that Americans get really upset when you suggest there are alternatives to guns... obviously those alternatives won't be as effective when guns and dogs and huge combat-trained stalkers are everywhere waiting to pounce and the police are nowhere to be found... but despite the propaganda i am still not convinced that guns are the solution... except of course in a paranoid, gun-crazy society like the US， where guns are already so commonplace you will never be able to escape the threat.

I've honestly felt safer in third world countries than in the US, but never to the point where i wished i had a gun.
I guess it's pretty offensive to admit that.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Crud. I hit 'enter' too soon and didn't tie this into the original. My mistake.

I'm probably in the minority on this. I happen to be of the opinion that it is completely possible that the GF didn't know this man was going to shoot up a concert full of people. She probably knew that he had the number of weapons to accomplish such a thing. As for the rest, she could have been completely clueless. Some people would be completely amazed what people can plan out and do right under the other person's nose. To this day, I'm highly suspicious that my stalker's wife had any idea of what he was really doing, including what the real reason he was making trips across the country on short notice over the course of ~ 4 years.

It's completely plausible that the shooter's GF believed him when/if he told her that he found her an opportunity to visit her family, rather than disclose what he was actually doing. An insidious person, planning to harm others, doesn't necessarily clue other people in.

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He helped me out today - you should all know that – and he knows I fucking hate guns.


Oh! On semi how many shots can an above average shooter get off in 1 minute? You forgot to answer me that? And how minutes can they keepo that up for?

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
I agree with this. Unless she was going to be actively involved, or part of the getaway plan, the chances of her turning him in or trying to talk him out of it were extremely high.

But until she's exonerated, she has to be treated as a person of interest for the investigation.

There are videos with witnesses claiming a Mexican woman was telling people they would all die less than an hour before shooting began.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
I agree with this. Unless she was going to be actively involved, or part of the getaway plan, the chances of her turning him in or trying to talk him out of it were extremely high.

But until she's exonerated, she has to be treated as a person of interest for the investigation.

There are videos with witnesses claiming a Mexican woman was telling people they would all die less than an hour before shooting began.

I appreciate that. It's a little different than where I was going. I should probably save this for the 'conspiracy' thread, but I think it's possible that she wasn't just clueless. It's further possible that he was setting her up to be a partial patsy.

I'm very curious as to why he was using her casino rewards card rather than his own during his stay in the hours/days before the shootings.

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I'm probably in the minority on this. I happen to be of the opinion that it is completely possible that the GF didn't know this man was going to shoot up a concert full of people.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
One thing that doesn't seem to be being debated much is the possibility that he deliberately went to a huge extent to hide his motivation - that he *wanted* to baffle everyone as to his motivation. It might have been crucial to him. If so, the question becomes: to what end? What would that achieve?

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I need to point out that the way the crowd was packed means that
the number or injuries does not correlate in any normal way to
the number of shots fired.