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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 1:43:48 PM   
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One thing that doesn't seem to be being debated much is the possibility that he deliberately went to a huge extent to hide his motivation - that he *wanted* to baffle everyone as to his motivation. It might have been crucial to him. If so, the question becomes: to what end? What would that achieve?

Maybe he didn't want everybody to think he was a country fan? I'm told that's a bit embarrassing in some circles, after all.


Eh? He could have achieved that a lot better by taking out adverts in the papers announcing that he'd married a woman who wasn't his mother or his sister.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 1:45:25 PM   
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One thing that doesn't seem to be being debated much is the possibility that he deliberately went to a huge extent to hide his motivation - that he *wanted* to baffle everyone as to his motivation. It might have been crucial to him. If so, the question becomes: to what end? What would that achieve?

Maybe he didn't want everybody to think he was a country fan? I'm told that's a bit embarrassing in some circles, after all.


Eh? He could have achieved that a lot better by taking out adverts in the papers announcing that he'd married a woman who wasn't his mother or his sister.


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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 1:46:18 PM   
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I'm probably in the minority on this. I happen to be of the opinion that it is completely possible that the GF didn't know this man was going to shoot up a concert full of people.


Why do you think you're in the minority? I'm assuming that whichever police/agents involved in looking at her will have done a more than thorough job of it. I have no doubt that they'll have already squeezed her till the pips squeaked.

One thing that doesn't seem to be being debated much is the possibility that he deliberately went to a huge extent to hide his motivation - that he *wanted* to baffle everyone as to his motivation. It might have been crucial to him. If so, the question becomes: to what end? What would that achieve?



That's an interesting thing to consider. In normal circumstances people have online accounts... he had none. I take from the lack of information that he wasn't on any social media, made regular text messages or liked the modern technology we all take for granted. Its like he came and he left without much of a trace. Most mass killers want to go down with a reason for being infamous. He has left us all guessing and it would be interesting to understand why he chose to do that.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 1:48:32 PM   
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I'm probably in the minority on this. I happen to be of the opinion that it is completely possible that the GF didn't know this man was going to shoot up a concert full of people.


Why do you think you're in the minority? I'm assuming that whichever police/agents involved in looking at her will have done a more than thorough job of it. I have no doubt that they'll have already squeezed her till the pips squeaked.

One thing that doesn't seem to be being debated much is the possibility that he deliberately went to a huge extent to hide his motivation - that he *wanted* to baffle everyone as to his motivation. It might have been crucial to him. If so, the question becomes: to what end? What would that achieve?


I agree with you both.



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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 1:53:58 PM   
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I'm probably in the minority on this. I happen to be of the opinion that it is completely possible that the GF didn't know this man was going to shoot up a concert full of people.


Why do you think you're in the minority? I'm assuming that whichever police/agents involved in looking at her will have done a more than thorough job of it. I have no doubt that they'll have already squeezed her till the pips squeaked.

One thing that doesn't seem to be being debated much is the possibility that he deliberately went to a huge extent to hide his motivation - that he *wanted* to baffle everyone as to his motivation. It might have been crucial to him. If so, the question becomes: to what end? What would that achieve?



That's an interesting thing to consider. In normal circumstances people have online accounts... he had none. I take from the lack of information that he wasn't on any social media, made regular text messages or liked the modern technology we all take for granted. Its like he came and he left without much of a trace. Most mass killers want to go down with a reason for being infamous. He has left us all guessing and it would be interesting to understand why he chose to do that.

Maybe he preferred Thomas Pynchon to Stephen King?

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 2:16:03 PM   
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Most mass killers want to go down with a reason for being infamous. He has left us all guessing and it would be interesting to understand why he chose to do that.


Well, one thing it must do is force everyone to focus on the results rather than the motive. As a result here's not going to be an easy compartmentalising of what he did. If it can be demonstrated that he's an Islamist terrorist, or a psychotic nutcase (freaked out on drugs, for instance), a sense of control, therefore comfort, returns - because, after all, there are few of either type around. Neither looks likely. I think that this particular mass-killing is going to cause more unease than any other to date.


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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 2:18:48 PM   
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But it's not like we're talking about a millennial, who are much more comfortable with modern technology.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 2:19:21 PM   
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I need to point out that the way the crowd was packed means that
the number or injuries does not correlate in any normal way to
the number of shots fired.

What, like I pointed out back on page 1 on Monday?
That's taken you a while.

I knew that from the start. But it doesn't appear anyone paid attention to you.
Your comments that you wish people who shoot conservatives just might
undermine your credibility.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 2:21:16 PM   
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One thing that doesn't seem to be being debated much is the possibility that he deliberately went to a huge extent to hide his motivation - that he *wanted* to baffle everyone as to his motivation. It might have been crucial to him. If so, the question becomes: to what end? What would that achieve?

Maybe he didn't want everybody to think he was a country fan? I'm told that's a bit embarrassing in some circles, after all.


Eh? He could have achieved that a lot better by taking out adverts in the papers announcing that he'd married a woman who wasn't his mother or his sister.


You can take the boy out of Arkansas, but you can't take Arkansas out of the boy...

Incest is only legal in.....New Jersey.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 2:31:56 PM   
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Enjoying country music is no indication of incestuous relationships.

A little compassion for the victims would be nice.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 2:32:53 PM   
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I need to point out that the way the crowd was packed means that
the number or injuries does not correlate in any normal way to
the number of shots fired.


What do you mean, Bama? That's an intriguing comment.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 2:35:33 PM   
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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 2:36:54 PM   
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Enjoying country music is no indication of incestuous relationships.

A little compassion for the victims would be nice.


Quite right and well said, JVoV.

As a corollary: I myself enjoy classical music; however, I wasn't still a virgin at the age of 40.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 3:06:46 PM   
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I'm probably in the minority on this. I happen to be of the opinion that it is completely possible that the GF didn't know this man was going to shoot up a concert full of people.


Why do you think you're in the minority? I'm assuming that whichever police/agents involved in looking at her will have done a more than thorough job of it. I have no doubt that they'll have already squeezed her till the pips squeaked.

One thing that doesn't seem to be being debated much is the possibility that he deliberately went to a huge extent to hide his motivation - that he *wanted* to baffle everyone as to his motivation. It might have been crucial to him. If so, the question becomes: to what end? What would that achieve?



That's an interesting thing to consider. In normal circumstances people have online accounts... he had none. I take from the lack of information that he wasn't on any social media, made regular text messages or liked the modern technology we all take for granted. Its like he came and he left without much of a trace. Most mass killers want to go down with a reason for being infamous. He has left us all guessing and it would be interesting to understand why he chose to do that.

Something you already know but I'll point out for emphasis.

If it were not for my taste for kink, I wouldn't have an online presence. No Facebook, Twitter, or any of that other stuff. I have a yahoo account that I pretty much ignore. Text messages might do more, but now, we're talking about time investment. I feel bad for the poor SOB that gets that job. Talk about mostly boring!

At the same time, this horrendous thing made me appreciate social media on a scale I never had before!

Unlike back in the days when I worked at a phone company when Columbine happened, social media got survivors connected with their family members. It wasn't 'go through the Red Cross" and such. It was instant in some cases. That was better for the families.


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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 5:27:07 PM   
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When you try to attack someone by making wild guesses about what their lives are like, it never really works. In order for what you're saying to actually land, all of this 'never stuck with anything' or 'never became good at anything' stuff would have to be true.

I know for a fact you are old, and that is why it makes sense that you're like this because you're just old. But you're just guessing that I've never become an expert... so yeah, not really having the effect you want it to have.

So anyways, I don't really want to keep arguing like a 12 year old with some old guy. I'm embarrassed enough about spending any time at all here, let alone participating in this shit.

Ohhhhh! Troll balls are a growin. LMAO at you projecting. Wild guesses is all you do. You have no knowledge or skill. Why don't you just save the embarrassment and go away? It is so funny to watch you now get back into your all tough guy mode. But, like always, LMAO at you Google boy.

Show me I'm wrong. Relate one thing you have proficiency in and expound on your skills doing it. I promise I'll aks Tamaka not to read it so she can't use it against you.


why should he? u cant cover the lies ur sorry ass has told about what u are.

Maybe now we all know ur old, u can use the excuse of dementia, at least that's plausible.

ur ass should be more embarrassed about being caught in the lies u've told but u keep trying to go the stupid well of telling people to do what ur tired ass cant....

like tell the truth.





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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 5:51:18 PM   
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When you try to attack someone by making wild guesses about what their lives are like, it never really works. In order for what you're saying to actually land, all of this 'never stuck with anything' or 'never became good at anything' stuff would have to be true.

I know for a fact you are old, and that is why it makes sense that you're like this because you're just old. But you're just guessing that I've never become an expert... so yeah, not really having the effect you want it to have.

So anyways, I don't really want to keep arguing like a 12 year old with some old guy. I'm embarrassed enough about spending any time at all here, let alone participating in this shit.

Ohhhhh! Troll balls are a growin. LMAO at you projecting. Wild guesses is all you do. You have no knowledge or skill. Why don't you just save the embarrassment and go away? It is so funny to watch you now get back into your all tough guy mode. But, like always, LMAO at you Google boy.

Show me I'm wrong. Relate one thing you have proficiency in and expound on your skills doing it. I promise I'll aks Tamaka not to read it so she can't use it against you.


why should he? u cant cover the lies ur sorry ass has told about what u are.

Maybe now we all know ur old, u can use the excuse of dementia, at least that's plausible.

ur ass should be more embarrassed about being caught in the lies u've told but u keep trying to go the stupid well of telling people to do what ur tired ass cant....

like tell the truth.





Oh spanky, I really hope one day you're little mind opens. Have a good evening.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 6:56:38 PM   
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Crud. I hit 'enter' too soon and didn't tie this into the original. My mistake.

I'm probably in the minority on this. I happen to be of the opinion that it is completely possible that the GF didn't know this man was going to shoot up a concert full of people. She probably knew that he had the number of weapons to accomplish such a thing. As for the rest, she could have been completely clueless. Some people would be completely amazed what people can plan out and do right under the other person's nose. To this day, I'm highly suspicious that my stalker's wife had any idea of what he was really doing, including what the real reason he was making trips across the country on short notice over the course of ~ 4 years.

It's completely plausible that the shooter's GF believed him when/if he told her that he found her an opportunity to visit her family, rather than disclose what he was actually doing. An insidious person, planning to harm others, doesn't necessarily clue other people in.




I agree with this. Unless she was going to be actively involved, or part of the getaway plan, the chances of her turning him in or trying to talk him out of it were extremely high.

But until she's exonerated, she has to be treated as a person of interest for the investigation.

There are videos with witnesses claiming a Mexican woman was telling people they would all die less than an hour before shooting began.


As far as the Mexican woman telling people they would all die, one article said he was seen with another woman & that the police were trying to find her, perhaps this woman is that woman...

I believe the gf that she didnt know, given that according to some articles he was rude to her and she seemed to know to let him have his way on things, & be on the submissive side... he had money and seems to have had an (overbearing) attitude to go with that.. I believe her when she said that she thought the reason for the money he sent her, the trip, etc was cuz she thought he planned to dump her.. many women in that same position would think that too.. In a weird way, he did dump her...

(Assuming he has one) I wonder what his will says, who he leaves his money etc to.. (of course that money will likely be tied up in court for some time)..

Its interesting/scary how the media has gone thru every record possible for names of other people to dig up info on him, the gf, his family, her family, neighbors, her divorce witnesses, casino staff, gun store staff, other hotel guests, his former tenants, etc etc.. anyone that has come within 10 miles of him/them seems to have been questioned/hounded by the media...

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 7:18:18 PM   
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I find it really fucking funny that you are all arguing about shit you know fuck all about.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 7:52:19 PM   
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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/7/2017 8:04:27 PM   
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When you try to attack someone by making wild guesses about what their lives are like, it never really works. In order for what you're saying to actually land, all of this 'never stuck with anything' or 'never became good at anything' stuff would have to be true.

I know for a fact you are old, and that is why it makes sense that you're like this because you're just old. But you're just guessing that I've never become an expert... so yeah, not really having the effect you want it to have.

So anyways, I don't really want to keep arguing like a 12 year old with some old guy. I'm embarrassed enough about spending any time at all here, let alone participating in this shit.

Ohhhhh! Troll balls are a growin. LMAO at you projecting. Wild guesses is all you do. You have no knowledge or skill. Why don't you just save the embarrassment and go away? It is so funny to watch you now get back into your all tough guy mode. But, like always, LMAO at you Google boy.

Show me I'm wrong. Relate one thing you have proficiency in and expound on your skills doing it. I promise I'll aks Tamaka not to read it so she can't use it against you.


why should he? u cant cover the lies ur sorry ass has told about what u are.

Maybe now we all know ur old, u can use the excuse of dementia, at least that's plausible.

ur ass should be more embarrassed about being caught in the lies u've told but u keep trying to go the stupid well of telling people to do what ur tired ass cant....

like tell the truth.



Oh spanky, I really hope one day you're little mind opens. Have a good evening.


when ur elevator gets to the top floor ever, maybe u might find urs..... probably hiding in the cat box....





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