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bounty44 -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/29/2017 3:14:15 PM)
my posts are doing no such thing. im simply saying, if you dress for attention, expect attention. but since you want to go in that direction---yes, i'll say women have some responsibility, knowing how men are wired, to be mindful of that at times. we're simply just not free to do whatever we want, whenever we want, without some repercussions.

BoscoX -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/29/2017 3:15:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV So 4+ years after the photo was taken, we can accuse Ellen of idontevenknowwhat, yet the headline from Business Insider for the event was "Katy Perry's Cleavage Stole The Show At The Grammys 2013" http://www.businessinsider.com/katy-perrys-cleavage-stole-the-show-at-the-grammys-2013-2013-2 And of course, that article didn't catch Twitter on fire. Is it more degrading or dehumanizing to have a friend stare at your rack, or to have articles published in the media about your rack? So, it's okay to give a woman the attention she dresses for? Or no How did her tits steal the show and make "Business Insider" "news" if she wasn't pimping those bad girls

Greta75 -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/30/2017 2:41:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 but since you want to go in that direction---yes, i'll say women have some responsibility, knowing how men are wired, to be mindful of that at times. Which is exactly what the Muslim guys say which causes Muslim women to be completely dressed and fully covered in ninja baggy suits. It's this slippery slope. In the olden western days. It was even sexy just to show ankles! And those women had to dress in so many layers and cover up so badly too. Men has evolve to modern days, where seeing a woman in a bikini should not be like overly sexually arousing that he cannot control himself! Men are capable of self-control and I refuse to give them any excuse not to exercise self-control.

bounty44 -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/30/2017 4:10:30 AM)
it does not follow that my saying women should be mindful of how men are wired that I am in support of the way muslims treat their women. I am saying if you want to be free, bear your freedom with some responsibility towards the other half of the population. muslim women are not free in this regard. its really not yours, or any females job in life to run around giving men opportunities to practice "self control." and we're not talking here about men raping women simply because he sees them in bikinis. we're talking about attention and the various ways that manifests itself. if you dress for attention, and you get attention, some of that is on you. do we think the only two choices are either dressing women head to toe or women getting to rub their pussies in men's faces and men not responding to it? if the latter is not really an option, then somewhere in the middle is the answer. all of society has placeguards in existence that prevent us from exercising our more base nature. clothes, though they serve other purposes also, are one of those things. what makes this whole area even more problematic is the women often are the sole arbiters in the distinction of wanted attention and unwanted attention. some of that might be a factor of the type of attention, but I suspect, more often than not, its not the type of attention, its WHO is bringing the attention.

Greta75 -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/30/2017 4:37:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 what makes this whole area even more problematic is the women often are the sole arbiters in the distinction of wanted attention and unwanted attention. some of that might be a factor of the type of attention, but I suspect, more often than not, its not the type of attention, its WHO is bringing the attention. That's because. If a man walks around flashing cock or shirtless. Nobody gives a shit or blink an eye. He doesn't get harassed. Infact if he flash cock, women will run away and not towards him. So nobody is gonna harass him. A woman struggling with hot summer heat has natural big boobs wears a tank top, would give her major cleavage. All the guys start thinking she wants attention and give her attention by "wolf whislting", or simply saying something offensive like, "Nice Tits!" As she walks pass. They gravitate towards her. So this is a distinctively male problem. And I have also spoke out against females who shame women, like remember I post that Canada Gym Article of a woman in a normal tank top working out in the gym but she had big boobs? They gym told her to cover up as alot of women complain about her "bad dresscode". Like who are these women? And they must be so jealous! Like seriously! It's a tank top! The most innocent normal work out attire for most women in my country, except we all got small boobs! So nobody blinks an eye! I think we have managed to educate men to not get dirty minded about seeing calves or ankles. As I mentioned in the past, they would already start thinking lewd thoughts with a flash of ankles as women in the older days wore long dresses. So in modern day, we need to educate men not to get dirty minded about seeing cleavages and full legs. It's all just education. They will get there. Muslim countries are still in 7 century Arabia where seeing the sight of female hair will give them lewd, sexual and dirty thoughts, so poor women gotta still cover their hair. Those men education got a long long way to go. Today I would say at least 50% of men are already educated not to react to seeing cleavages and behave respectfully. So we are getting there. And education starts with mothers and fathers on how they teach their sons .

LadyPact -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/30/2017 6:34:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 its really not yours, or any females job in life to run around giving men opportunities to practice "self control." and we're not talking here about men raping women simply because he sees them in bikinis. we're talking about attention and the various ways that manifests itself. I took out the part of the quote about how Muslim women dress because not every thread in this section has to be about a particular poster's issue with them. I'd rather focus on this self control thing. If you're up to it, I would like to hear your perspective on exactly why any human can exhibit SELF control in practically every other area of life until it comes to sexual urges. You can exhibit SELF control over things like how much you eat, what you drink, where you go, how you conduct yourself in all of your interactions with other human beings, until an attractive woman happens to wear a low cut evening gown. Suddenly, you want to make this internal thing (self control) an external responsibility? quote: if you dress for attention, and you get attention, some of that is on you. I will absolutely cop to being a person who 'dresses for the occasion'. What I am wearing right now is not the same thing I would wear to a five star restaurant, a formal wedding, or any place where I knew the press would be there, (if I happened to be famous) and there would be pictures plastered all over the internet of me. I'm willing to bet good money that the whole 'getting attention' thing from your perspective wouldn't be so rockin' if it came in your direction from males who happen to have a different sexual orientation than you. When is the last time a gay man grabbed your @ss because you looked fine in a tailored suit? You wanted the attention, right? quote: do we think the only two choices are either dressing women head to toe or women getting to rub their pussies in men's faces and men not responding to it? if the latter is not really an option, then somewhere in the middle is the answer. Exactly how many women of your casual acquaintance have 'rubbed their p^ssy' in front of you? quote: all of society has placeguards in existence that prevent us from exercising our more base nature. clothes, though they serve other purposes also, are one of those things. Please. Do continue about how your 'base nature' dictates your life. quote: what makes this whole area even more problematic is the women often are the sole arbiters in the distinction of wanted attention and unwanted attention. some of that might be a factor of the type of attention, but I suspect, more often than not, its not the type of attention, its WHO is bringing the attention. It's not a man vrs women thing. What you are clearly missing is it is the receiver of the attention thing, and yes, believe it or not, that's the person who gets to decide if the attention is wanted or not. It's really not that difficult of a concept.

tweakabelle -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/30/2017 8:12:31 AM)
Just an interesting anecdote on this "attracting attention" and self control issue. I go to nudist beaches. I've never had any problem at one. People understand that 'attracting sexual attention" is not happening, despite the plethora of naked bodies. It's not on the womens' agenda and that is accepted. Yet if we are to accept the view of some, any female naked in a public place is asking for it. At nudist beaches that I visit, the men who go there exhibit perfect self control despite the 'temptations' on view there. Yet some people claim they are incapable of exercising self control in the presence of fully clothed females .... It seems that some people have a very selective understanding of self control.

JVoV -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/30/2017 9:09:30 AM)
How do we know that Ellen wasn't admiring the very intricate bead work on Katy's dress?

WhoreMods -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/30/2017 9:23:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV How do we know that Ellen wasn't admiring the very intricate bead work on Katy's dress? [:D] Weird how all of the rightards are taking the (evil lefty) Katy Perry's side against the (eviler lefty) Ellen Degeneres'. You'd think they'd be capable of grading issues on a scale, rather than working on a binary partisan "them" or "us" system that doesn't let them make a tactical vote for somebody who doesn't have an "R" after their name, when an election came around if they can do that, wouldn't you? Presumably this ability to prioritise only works when it's applied to non-stories about b list celebrities, rather than being applicable to political issues where they have to both vote and believe along party lines...

bounty44 -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/30/2017 9:30:48 AM)
ive got just one minute to reply right now with that i'll be back later to reply at length, and in the meantime, its particularly discouraging when pretty much every conversation turns into a pissing match, especially when the responses don't show a complete understanding of whats actually being said.

WhoreMods -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/30/2017 10:29:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 ive got just one minute to reply right now with that i'll be back later to reply at length, and in the meantime, its particularly discouraging when pretty much every conversation turns into a pissing match, especially when the responses don't show a complete understanding of whats actually being said. [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEPG0BtWoAAlovd.jpg[/img]

LadyPact -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/30/2017 1:17:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV How do we know that Ellen wasn't admiring the very intricate bead work on Katy's dress? I'm just using this comment to bounce off from. It's not really a reply to you. I can't say I'm on board with admiring the bead work. [8D] I do have to wonder if the reaction in the photo was staged in the attempt of a joke, that might have been discussed before the picture was taken. There's a reason I'm wondering this. Without boring people to death with too much detail, I was at a party roughly seven years ago with a couple of dozen people and at least half of them were (at the time) forum members on CM. Private home with privacy fence for the backyard swimming pool. Their pool is always clothing optional. During this party, one of the other CM members asked me if we could pose for a picture in the pool. The idea was me in front, him standing behind me, reaching in front of me so his hands would be cupping my breasts. Basically, the idea was proposed because it would be funny. I certainly thought the idea was funny, and as soon as somebody grabbed the camera for us, the picture was taken. (Btw, it's the same picture of me that's on the "show us your tits" thread that was on the General board years ago. My consent was also obtained for it to be posted there.) Here's where I'm going with this... In that picture, I absolutely promise that I'm wearing less clothing than Katy Perry. My boobs aren't just being looked at by someone with an exaggerated expression on their face. They are literally being held. Due to things such as my consent was very specifically obtained, I was on board with posing for the picture, and so on, would people still consider it a sexist picture? I don't think it was. People who just saw the picture and didn't know the backstory might. Please do keep in mind that I am not saying with certainty that the Ellen/Katy picture on this thread was staged. I'm just wondering if it would make a difference to people if it was.

bounty44 -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/30/2017 2:51:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I took out the part of the quote about how Muslim women dress because not every thread in this section has to be about a particular poster's issue with them. I'd rather focus on this self control thing. If you're up to it, I would like to hear your perspective on exactly why any human can exhibit SELF control in practically every other area of life until it comes to sexual urges. You can exhibit SELF control over things like how much you eat, what you drink, where you go, how you conduct yourself in all of your interactions with other human beings, until an attractive woman happens to wear a low cut evening gown. Suddenly, you want to make this internal thing (self control) an external responsibility? what your positing doesn’t fit what im saying, so its not really a right question. Giving someone attention, especially when attention is being sought, is not a matter, or at least solely a matter of self control. It’s a matter of navigating the very unsure waters of what attention is appropriate. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I will absolutely cop to being a person who 'dresses for the occasion'. What I am wearing right now is not the same thing I would wear to a five star restaurant, a formal wedding, or any place where I knew the press would be there, (if I happened to be famous) and there would be pictures plastered all over the internet of me. I wouldn’t equate “dressing for the occasion” as necessarily being the same as “dressing for attention” though there is some overlap I suppose. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I'm willing to bet good money that the whole 'getting attention' thing from your perspective wouldn't be so rockin' if it came in your direction from males who happen to have a different sexual orientation than you. When is the last time a gay man grabbed your @ss because you looked fine in a tailored suit? You wanted the attention, right? It’s a bit difficult to figure out why you posed that question to me, but im nevertheless going to suggest I have already addressed that in my post to greta when I said: “…the distinction of wanted attention and unwanted attention. some of that might be a factor of the type of attention, but I suspect, more often than not, its not the type of attention, its WHO is bringing the attention.” quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Exactly how many women of your casual acquaintance have 'rubbed their p^ssy' in front of you? The same amount of my casual acquaintances who have dressed their women head to toe. Why are you even asking me that?? that picture is simply there as one end of an extreme continuum, opposite the other end of the extreme continuum. the point being, again, that the answer is somewhere in the middle. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Please. Do continue about how your 'base nature' dictates your life. This was the final phrase that put me over the edge into saying “pissing match.” You very easily could have just asked me to elaborate, instead you went with combatively snarky for no reason I can tell. In any event, I trust you have seen the proverbial devil on one shoulder and angel on the other shoulder depicted in tv, movies, etc., trying to influence the actions of the person in the middle. That skit resonates because it accurately depicts humanity and we all identify with it. Law, education, parenting, social convention, church, etc---all those things and more help mankind exist in a state of civilization as opposed to a state of nature. Regardless, It does not follow from anything ive said that my “’base nature’ dictates my life.” quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact It's not a man vrs women thing. What you are clearly missing is it is the receiver of the attention thing, and yes, believe it or not, that's the person who gets to decide if the attention is wanted or not. It's really not that difficult of a concept. No, its not a man VS woman thing but in the context of the conversation, ive used man as the attention giver and woman as the attention receiver. Sooooooooooo…. At the same time, if you want to posit that women are as visually oriented as men, and find men’s physical parts as immediately sexually stimulating as men do women’s, have at it. Lastly, I believe I also addressed your point about the “receiver”, again, with this: ”…the distinction of wanted attention and unwanted attention. some of that might be a factor of the type of attention, but I suspect, more often than not, its not the type of attention, its WHO is bringing the attention.” so I wasn't "clearly" missing it.

LORDOFTHERINGS19 -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/30/2017 2:58:09 PM)
Did none of those feckless idiots actually look at those links? Donald Trump's comments about daughter raise eyebrows Trump is very strange with his daughter

bounty44 -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/30/2017 3:04:25 PM)
get off the forums and get the help you need.

WhoreMods -> RE: 'SEXIST PIG' (10/31/2017 5:25:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I can't say I'm on board with admiring the bead work. [8D] I do have to wonder if the reaction in the photo was staged in the attempt of a joke, that might have been discussed before the picture was taken. A good point, and I'd be very surprised if it wasn't. It certainly looks staged, and Degenere's leer looks almost as faked as a sheepskin from Trump University...

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